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Recee55: Just how concerned how you?
Do you take the view that if BNB have been "economical with the truth" on this issue, it raises a whole lot of other questions?
Reece55:
As I said earlier, the revaluation seems to have been made in the first half of 2007.
From page 63 of the Appendix 4D of the INTERIM 2007 report it states there has been a profit of 62,698,000 on the BNP property (I assume this was on revaluation).
This on a property bought on 28 February 2007. It seems a bit strange that it went up in value in so few months. Even though the subprime crisis wasn't apparent in the first half of 2007, property prices were on the most part falling.
On the other hand, it is possible that they snapped up a bargain. If this is the case, you'd think they would be more open about it.
By the way, if you want to see the apartments that we are discussing, have a look at http://www.bnproperties.com/ . From there, can see the apartments and what rents they are seeking. Wonder if mortgage problems in the USA have caused an increase in rental demand for this type of apartments?
Assuming the rentals cited on that website are monthly (not weekly) looks predominantly like low rent apartments.
Some say that demand for renting such apartments is now high due to so many people losing their homes.
Which of course doesn't mean that the capital value of those apartments hasn't fallen.
This is VERY worrying. Have a look at this.
http://business.theage.com.au/whos-next-for-financial-judgment-day/20080227-1v3x.html
If Babcock's satellites keep sinking (they had a good day yesterday), this could precipitate a downward spiral in confidence which could zap the upstream profit flow to the bank. As Babcock's model is predicated on ripping out unrealistically high fees early, they could be in trouble if the new strategy to shift to a wholesale global infrastructure fund model takes time to evolve.
Both Macquarie and Babcock overpay for assets and load them up with debt. In the early years they often pay interest only and therefore display a higher cashflow, hence more income back to the bank. If asset prices fall, though, which they appear to be doing, this game is over. Shrinking confidence and investor support combined with the demand from wholesale investors for more skin in the game will make things very messy.
The revaluation game in property is over: vid Centro.
Babcock however shelled out $1 billion last year at the top of the market for US real estate then casually booked a $100 million revaluation to profit even though property prices were dropping in the US and Europe.
More interesting is Note 30 on interest bearing liabilities, buried deep in the bowels of the accounts. Current liabilities - usually more visible in the balance sheet - stand at $2.9 billion. That would suggest $2.9 billion in debt needs to be rolled this year.
Among the total liabilities is ``OTHER secured by marketable securities'' of $631 million (up from $328 million).
The note says ``OTHER: Babcock & Brown has short term loans that are secured by marketable securities. Several of the marketable securities are accounted for using the equity method because of the size of Babcock & Brown's ownership interest. The loans are repayable within one year''.
One can only assume that these marketable securities are the various Babcock trusts. Has Babcock borrowed against its satellites? If so, BBI is down 20 per cent since December, BBW down 20 per cent, BBP is off a tad more and BJT is roughly even.
And these are presumably the most marketable securities in terms of liquidity.
On top of that operating cashflow was $507 million in the red (up from just negative $76 million), total liabilities stood at $13.1 billion while the finance bill was a hefty $662 million. On those numbers things are starting to look positively Allconian - although the structures are simpler with less cross-collateralisation.
Still, and this is where accounting is so grand - depending on one's perspective - Babcock managed to book a net profit of $639 million and predicted more of the same.
Why is this share still dropping???
NOT happy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If anyone has any recent broker reports, that would be much appreciated.
Interestingly the guy who wrote the above article who described BNB as Allcoish is now backing down on this claims.
His name is Michael West (the journalist). He appears to now realise that BNB had 2.6 billion dollars in cash. Guess that should take away any fears we have of it being insolvent.
Anyone see BNB's statement just after market close....
Phil Green is pouncing on the Rubicons just after Allco sold the whole lot down, announcing a 5% stake in all three..... As I have said many times, whilst all diversified financials are going to suffer in the near term, I believe that this one will end up coming out trumps.... the first move in what I envisage with BNB swooping on prey that are being sold down due to ludicrous leverage.....
Cheers
As far as I can see BNB model was inspired by the MQG model and both revaluate their assets (BNB only real estate but that’s about one Yes said:Nice question... especially with both companies acting swiftly today to restore investor confidence and try to stymie the ridiculous speculative short selling attacks by hedge funds.
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