Bible Verse of the Day

[2020hindsight]

I mentioned Thoreau elsewhere (turns out David Thoreau was another Dead Sea Scroll academic) - but I was really thinking of this lady :- Barbara Thiering

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_Thiering

Barbara Thiering (born 1930) is an Australian writer. In books and journal articles she has attempted to challenge Christian orthodoxy, drawing on claimed new evidence that gives alternative answers to its supernatural beliefs. Her analysis has been rejected by many scholars in the field.

From her speciality, the Dead Sea Scrolls, she has developed the argument that the miracles, including the Virgin Birth and the Resurrection, were not just legends as critical scholars hold, but were deliberately manufactured myths.

They never actually happened, and the authors of the Gospels knew this. They wrote according to the theory of pesher that is illustrated in the Scrolls, in two levels. For the “babes in Christ” there were apparent miracles, but the knowledge of exact meanings held by the highly educated members of gnostic schools gave a real history, of what Jesus actually did.

Born in Sydney, Australia, Thiering graduated in 1952 from Sydney University with first class honours in modern languages, was a high school teacher of languages for several years, and then, while caring for her three young children, continued study and research privately. She obtained an external B.D. degree from the University of London, a M.Th. degree from Melbourne College of Divinity, and a Ph.D. degree from Sydney University in 1973.

As a consequence of her research publications in academic journals, she was invited to lecture at Sydney University, at first in the Department of Semitic Studies, then in the School of Divinity (now the Department of Religious Studies) where she continued until her retirement. During this time she was a member of the Board of Studies in Divinity and the Board of Continuing Education, and served for twelve years as a lay member of the NSW Equal Opportunity Tribunal. When her work became known in the USA, she was made a Fellow of the Jesus Seminar.

In 1990 a documentary film about her research, Riddle of the Dead Sea Scrolls, was shown by the Australian Broadcasting Corporation.

Dr. Thiering's book: "Jesus, the Man" has recently been re-published.

controversially received etc ...

"Professor Barbara Thiering's reinterpretation of the New Testament, in which the married, divorced, and remarried Jesus, father of four, becomes the "Wicked Priest" of the Dead Sea Scrolls, has made no impact on learned opinion. Scroll scholars and New Testament experts alike have found the basis of the new theory, Thiering's use of the so-called "pesher technique", without substance."

still, you have to ask yourself why the DSS, discovered as they were in 1947, still haven't been (fully) translated and made available-in-full (?)

PS to be honest I was more interested in her theory (as I recall it from an ABC doco in 1990) of Judas being the man of action, (i.e. to take on the Romans where possible etc), and Jesus putting forward the counter-argument that forgivenss lead to strength etc.

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Dead+Sea+Scrolls+Thiering&search_type=&aq=-1&oq=

 

[wayneL]

There are a multitude of scholars with alternative theories on the life of Jesus.

Each is interesting and well researched. All of those that don't make you smirk because logical fallacy, make a case for the humanity (i.e. non-divinity) of Jesus.

All great reads.

As an allegorical testament to actually impossibility knowing very much about the historical Jesus, read Bill Bryson's book on Shakespeare.

Enlightening in a parallel universe sort of way.

 

[David123]

Hey all!
Isaiah 55:7 (New Living Translation)




Let the wicked change their ways
and banish the very thought of doing wrong.
Let them turn to the Lord that he may have mercy on them.
Yes, turn to our God, for he will forgive generously.




Godbless!

 

[David123]

Hey all!

Matthew 7:7

Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you.

Godbless!

 

[David123]

Hey all!

Hope you all went to church!

Hebrews 11:6 (New Living Translation)

And it is impossible to please God without faith. Anyone who wants to come to him must believe that God exists and that he rewards those who sincerely seek him.


Thankyou Lord!

Godbless!

 

[wayneL]

Hey all!

Hope you all went to church!

Going to church has very little to do with faith David.

...and only a God created in Man's image would be displeased with people not going there.

On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. "Teacher," he asked, "what must I do to inherit eternal life?" "What is written in the Law?" he replied. "How do you read it?" He answered: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind'; and, 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'" "You have answered correctly," Jesus replied. "Do this and you will live." But he wanted to justify himself, so he asked Jesus, "And who is my neighbor?" In reply Jesus said: (the parable starts here) "A man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho, when he fell into the hands of robbers. They stripped him of his clothes, beat him and went away, leaving him half dead. A priest happened to be going down the same road, and when he saw the man, he passed by on the other side. So too, a Levite, when he came to the place and saw him, passed by on the other side. But a Samaritan, as he traveled, came where the man was; and when he saw him, he took pity on him. He went to him and bandaged his wounds, pouring on oil and wine. Then he put the man on his own donkey, took him to an inn and took care of him. The next day he took out two silver coins and gave them to the innkeeper. 'Look after him,' he said, 'and when I return, I will reimburse you for any extra expense you may have.' "Which of these three do you think was a neighbor to the man who fell into the hands of robbers?" The expert in the law replied, "The one who had mercy on him." Jesus told him, "Go and do likewise."

That Samaritan never went to church.

Truly, I say to you, today you will be with me in Paradise.

That criminal never went to any church.

Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do

I doubt those Roman soldiers did either.

In fact, I can't think of anywhere where it says you have to go to church. You should understand that the church in its current form was designed to control people.

Godbless!

Anyone who sputters out the extraneous crap you have so far doesn't truly mean that. Think about it, your God would not be pleased.

 

[wayneL]

32He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

33And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

That didn't quite work out, did it? Last time I looked is was Netenyahoo or someone like that.

28Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

They must be pretty old by now... or maybe that didn't quite come off either?

18They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them;

Oops, a few folks have croaked trying that one.

 

[wayneL]

8But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

9As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

Galatians 1:8-9

Clearly Saul had an ego problem. An angel will be accursed if it contradicts Saul of Tarsus? LOL

So much of the NT is based on this nutter.

 

[wayneL]

1 Corinthians 11:3-10 (King James Version)
King James Version (KJV)

Public Domain
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3But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

4Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonoureth his head.

5But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.

6For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.

Don't see too many hats in church .... or women with shaved heads!

LOL

 

[nunthewiser]

Dont look like you goin to heaven wayne

 

[wayneL]

Dont look like you goin to heaven wayne

I'm sure "nice" christian folk would gleefully consign my soul to hell.

By the way, it seem that only 144,000 virgin men make it anyway.

Revelation 14

1And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.

2And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:

3And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.

4These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

All this being good and tithing and confessions and stuff is all futile once indulging in a bit of moonyah. Women shouldn't even bother by the looks of it.

 

[nunthewiser]

*wonders* if i profess myself to be a born again virgin would i qualify for them pearly gates ?

 

[Julia]

David, when I read this stuff you post, all these verses from the Bible, I can't help wondering what sort of everyday life you lead. What do you do to actually demonstrate the love of the God you believe in? How do you help your fellow human beings?

You may well be a model of the ideal citizen, or just possibly you may be too busy reading the Bible and telling the rest of us we are going to Hell because we don't go to Church.

You don't have to tell us, of course, but it would sure be interesting.

 

[Duckman#72]

Going to church has very little to do with faith David.

In fact, I can't think of anywhere where it says you have to go to church. You should understand that the church in its current form was designed to control people.

Think about it, your God would not be pleased.

At the risk of standing in between a religious zealot and a bunch of atheists calling for blood...........your comment was quite bizarre Wayne. For someone that is usually so logical and knowledgable with their arguments I can't believe that it slipped out.

For those following Christian religions, "going to Church" remains a central part of their "Faith". It is front and centre of all mainsteam Christian beliefs.

Unfortunately there is not a Book of Wayne that says...."And the Lord said to Wayne, tell all humankind to go to Church on Sunday, even during the Olympics".....but then again even if there was something as clear as this would you believe it?? That is the fundamental argument here - believers and non-believers.

A comment was made earlier in the thread that the poster was happy to support a Bible Verse of the Day thread. However that view quickly changed. Reading between the lines, it seems people are only happy to support a "Non-Confrontational, Non-Offensive, Nice, Happy, Uplifting Bible Verse of Day" thread.

I am not a religious nut and believe everyone should be entitled to their own point of view but I also believe that Christians by the very nature of their faith are easy targets - their core values are openly on display. It is much harder to criticise Atheists for their behaviour as there are no structured common values.....except for the commonly trotted out, hand on my heart..."but I'm a nice person".

You're a smart fellow Wayne - what do you get from constantly poking the stick at the religious dog (except your own amusement)?

Duckman

 

[Sean K]

A comment was made earlier in the thread that the poster was happy to support a Bible Verse of the Day thread. However that view quickly changed. Reading between the lines, it seems people are only happy to support a "Non-Confrontational, Non-Offensive, Nice, Happy, Uplifting Bible Verse of Day" thread.

Duckman

Hi Duckman,

I think we were all happy for it to be a nice fluffy quote of the day to make us all feel good, and provide some inspiration to maintain our outstanding ASF values and morals, but a line was crossed.

Telling people they would go to hell for not following what the Good Book tells us, and slyly ordering us all off to church, deserves full mobilisation of the Athiestic Battlestar ASF.....

I have held back from slapping up all the incredibly poor moral behaviour that the Cults of Abraham lay down as a path to heaven, but am now inclined to move to the gun line and drop a few rounds down range myself...

kennas

(Stanton for PM )

 

[Duckman#72]

(Stanton for PM )

No worries Kennas. He's a beauty isn't he!!!

What are we arguing for? We are the same denomination.

 

[noirua]

It is a debatable point, in certain countries, as to whether there are more people who believe in God and have no religion, than there are people who believe in God and have a religion.

Perhaps there is a time now for many to join a new religion that has no churches nor any rules or regulations, no priests etc. That would then give them a chance to say to others that your religion just does not stand up, and I can believe in god without one.

 

[tcoates]

What are we arguing for? We are the same denomination

Really?

Surprised how many would know the difference between a 7th Day Adventist vs Catholic vs Mormon in their beliefs (in/from the Bible)

Tim

PS. And which faith is David123 from?

 

[Sean K]

Really?

Surprised how many would know the difference between a 7th Day Adventist vs Catholic vs Mormon in their beliefs (in/from the Bible)

Tim

PS. And which faith is David123 from?

LOL.

Common denomination wear red and black robes...

 

[Julia]

A comment was made earlier in the thread that the poster was happy to support a Bible Verse of the Day thread. However that view quickly changed. Reading between the lines, it seems people are only happy to support a "Non-Confrontational, Non-Offensive, Nice, Happy, Uplifting Bible Verse of Day" thread.

Duckman

Duckman, I think Kennas has answered this. When Christians start making threatening noises that if we don't follow their beliefs we will come to a sticky end, it's difficult not to be irritated.

I imagine your comment above was directed at me. Yes, I did support those people who wanted to exchange what looked like being inspirational, encouraging Bible verses, because even non-Christians can quite enjoy some of that. But that wasn't what was continued.

Btw, we're not all atheists if we don't follow a Christian religion and attend a church. I, for example, am agnostic. I have no idea whether there is a God or not and remain open minded on the subject. I think most atheists are quick to acknowledge the hypocrisy which often exists amongst organised religion and it is this we object to.