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Becoming competent at forex trading

Any data tested in and out of sample is what happened in the past.This testing can prove up a positive or negative expectancy. We "work" the data and "the method" to attain a positive expectancy. We apply this positive expectancy model to present time trading and expect similar results to the in/out sample data testing.

This is why I like to used the terms 'perceived ev' (or, our expected expectancy :D) and 'true ev' (our real expectancy). Unless we know the exact values of our equation (which we cannot know!), we're not dealing with our real, or true expectancy. All we're doing is estimating it based off previous results. This is obviously flawed, as our results don't accurately reflect our edge. This is why perceived expectancy should really be given as a range and confidence level, such as 95% that our expectancy is between x% and y%. Over time we would expect that the perceived ev to more strongly reflect our true ev, but it takes a very significant sample to get it down to a reasonable range, and 95% is well, not 100%.

lukeaye said:
I can identify points where i believe price will behave in a certain way given the statistics of past results, and hope that it behaves in the "expected" way. So i position myself at the lowest risk point. By positioning i still understand that in reality i have a 50/50 shot the position will come off. But if im wrong i will only lose a fraction of what i will let myself win. If a break does occur against me, then i will lose a very small percentage, but if i win i will let it run as long as i possibly can.

So for example, if a certain line was to hold 70% of the time, you would consider that reaction to be the expected result? I would include the other outcomes in the expected result, as expectation is really just an average of all outcomes. It can be misleading because in mathematics, expected value is a mean average, while most people use the word expect to talk about mode averages.

My trading still revolves around probabilities though

Almost everything in life does, it's just that traders are more aware of it :). Even MM is a matter of probability, as stops may not trigger for whatever reason, or the markets might drive through our stop and cause major slippage, resulting in a loss far greater than expected. I imagine some people got caught out in the 200 pip news move last night on the British pound!
 
Maybe aside from all the cold hard statistical edges, it is just an art?
Or, is art just an accumulation of past experiences providing subtle hints?
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IMO there is definitely an art to trading. Like art people see different things and have different perceptions and as a consequence act differently to what the market offers up. It is also why alot of traders methods & results cannot be replicated (think TH's trading).

While money & trade management are a part of being a successful trader, these 2 things by themselves will not provide consistent profits imo, you also need an "edge". Whether this edge is something as basic as buying off support, trading a range or a basic trendfollowing system buying dips and/or breakouts it doesn't matter.
But the flip side of this is even if you have some sort of "edge" it is useless without proper money & trade management, so basically imo you can't have one without the other and be consistently profitable over a long period of time in different market conditions.

I also have a opinion on what an "edge" actually is but is probably best saved for another discussion as this thread is probably already far enough off topic.
 
IMO there is definitely an art to trading. Like art people see different things and have different perceptions and as a consequence act differently to what the market offers up. It is also why alot of traders methods & results cannot be replicated (think TH's trading).

While money & trade management are a part of being a successful trader, these 2 things by themselves will not provide consistent profits imo, you also need an "edge". Whether this edge is something as basic as buying off support, trading a range or a basic trendfollowing system buying dips and/or breakouts it doesn't matter.
But the flip side of this is even if you have some sort of "edge" it is useless without proper money & trade management, so basically imo you can't have one without the other and be consistently profitable over a long period of time in different market conditions.

I also have a opinion on what an "edge" actually is but is probably best saved for another discussion as this thread is probably already far enough off topic.

I realize it is an art when i tried to explain on how i use Fibonacci on fast intra day TF's.
I could not come up with a simple set of rules, the results could not be replicated, and the whole thing only really made sense to me.
And yet, now i can look at a chart and spot the possibilities almost immediately,(and still manage to stuff up the trade)
 
I also have a opinion on what an "edge" actually is but is probably best saved for another discussion as this thread is probably already far enough off topic.

I can't think of anything more appropriate in a thread about becoming a competent trader.
 
nomore4's,
I, and others i'm sure, would like to hear your opinion on "edge".

When I have some time I will post up my view of what an edge is but I will start a new thread on the topic as it has nothing to do specifically with Forex trading.
 
My :2twocents
MM is what makes the difference between mediocre traders and standout traders. Yes, you need an edge - without one you will lose money, either gradually or quickly, depending on your MM. But if you have found your edge, then using good MM, you can make the most of it.
 
My :2twocents
MM is what makes the difference between mediocre traders and standout traders.

I can't agree. You're suggesting that something one can learn from a book separates the great from the crowd, rather than a higher level of skill and thinking developed from hard work, experience, and natural talent. That which is hard to learn or can't be learned is always what separates the great from the mediocre.
 
A video i did for a gal to help her identify plays in the FX market...quite happy for some feedback on this if y'all would be so kind...

 
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Some good videos CanOz .It is admirable the amount of time you spend helping traders to make sense of the Markets:xyxthumbs

Feedback (including my personal perspectives on trading FX): Great Video.

Very relevant and well covered :Divergence, Support and Resistance,Round Numbers,Session start &finish times.
Constructive crititism: Ditch the RSI for stochastic if your looking at reversals.
Awareness of reports and news, these make for totally different trading days (Forex Factory Calender etc)
Too many lines and analysis for newbie traders a little bit simpler to start would be recommended.
Personally in short time frames 60 min or less patterns are not for me (too subjective).

But again great job Can:)
 
Great vid canoz.

Summed up well, and crucial points covered stop runs, trade sessions, fades, etc.

You have provided enough for anyone to try and work out what is more likely to happen next, on the right side of the chart.

Larger time frames (as well) fx always over/under shoots turning points, and discipline used with your video, a newbie will have a good foot in the door.

Many years ago I used to go to seminars that wouldn't release half that info, and would look to charge $5k for software at the end.

Good work in a short video!
 
Thanks heaps for the feedback guys, very helpful.

Waza, I would love to ditch the RSI, but this Gal likes using it, maybe I can ween her off it...

Thanks cogs, had to pak it all into 15 minutes.

Just want to give her something to get started....
 
What I am doing to become competent at Forex trading is to learn more about this matter. And learning should be continuous because the market is changing too.
 
Not sure if GMA has been noted prior or not, looks like a potential candidate

Just looked at your FX blog and you have an extremely conservative approach. The game is purely risk reward and $20 in 3 weeks is like a 1/2 hour physical work. Is this a 30 to 50 year strategy?

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Just looked at your FX blog and you have an extremely conservative approach. The game is purely risk reward and $20 in 3 weeks is like a 1/2 hour physical work. Is this a 30 to 50 year strategy?

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Hi Wysiwyg

The $5k starting balance in my blog is really more to accurately track my performance with a small amount of funds. I started the blog so I can keep myself to account with my trades.

As it stands at the moment with open trades it's now up to about +2%, for three weeks worth of trades.

I know dollar wise it's peanuts but I only look at percentage return not dollars or pips gained.

Once I have been trading this for 3-6 months, if I see decent results I will be looking to trade the same method with a decent sized 5 figure account. If can make between 2-5% per month for example I'll be very happy with that.

Looking at the daily charts takes about 10mins each morning and am risking only 1% each trade, bumping up the risk once results are looking better should produce a decent return also.

I would post trades and results on ASF but I'm not sure what sort of a following the FX market gets here.
 
Hi Wysiwyg

The $5k starting balance in my blog is really more to accurately track my performance with a small amount of funds. I started the blog so I can keep myself to account with my trades.

As it stands at the moment with open trades it's now up to about +2%, for three weeks worth of trades.

I know dollar wise it's peanuts but I only look at percentage return not dollars or pips gained.

Once I have been trading this for 3-6 months, if I see decent results I will be looking to trade the same method with a decent sized 5 figure account. If can make between 2-5% per month for example I'll be very happy with that.

Looking at the daily charts takes about 10mins each morning and am risking only 1% each trade, bumping up the risk once results are looking better should produce a decent return also.

I would post trades and results on ASF but I'm not sure what sort of a following the FX market gets here.

Remember commission drag! How much commission have you paid so far?
 
Hi Wysiwyg

The $5k starting balance in my blog is really more to accurately track my performance with a small amount of funds. I started the blog so I can keep myself to account with my trades.
Okay. Discipline is a valuable asset.
 
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