Barack Obama!

[Ferret]

and obama not only continued but increased GWBs warmongering ways, in the process racking up an even bigger national deficit than even dumb-ass dubya did! nothing to be proud of there i'm afraid!

Not sure how you get this?

Yeah. GWB or maybe another Republican president would have had the US in both Libya and Syria!

 

[basilio]

Julia it's true I havn't followed this thread in much if any detail. I was mostly responding to what I saw as the dismissal of Doris for her extremely enthusiast support of Barack Obama. As far as I can see the majority of forum members left have a reflex dismissal of non conservative politicians - seemingly on principle.

I get particularly xxxxed off when the criticism is just blitheringly stupid (birthers) racist or attempting to smear Obama as a Muslim etc. And frankly it seemed that much of the criticism of President Obama cited these areas.

My apologies to you as well if I did misconstrue your final comments. I don't generally see you as mean or petty so if I got it wrong.. sorry.

With regard to my "hobby horse". Firstly I didn't think this was a forum on CC . Was there a need to drag it in here ? But you have chosen to make it a criticism - my seemingly endless "paternalistic proselytizing" which I force on everyone... so I'll respond

Lets consider another perspective. On this forum I am one of the very few people left who can articulate and also supports the evidence presented by the overwhelmingly majority of scientists on this topic. The consequences of being wrong on CC are the biggest our civilizations will ever face. But most other other people in ASF who agree the problem is real have stopped beating their heads against the repeated abuse from the usual suspects.

I've chosen to stay in the conversation. Obviously no amount of evidence or analysis is capable of changing the minds of Wayne, or Noco, or White GoodMan or the usual suspects. So clearly I'm not directly addressing them.

But I'm hoping my contributions can inform other readers who have an open mind, can follow URls and are prepared to learn more on the topic.

And what is wrong with that ?

 

[sptrawler]

Hey Basilio, lets go back to your favourite thread, saving the planet and helping the plebs.
I see today the government wants to roll out 'smart meters' so the plebs can save heaps of money.LOL
That would be, charge heaps of money for working families that cook and watch t.v between 16.00 and 21.00.
What a hoot, another tax on consumption, how can they avoid it. LOl,LOL,LOL
Forget the G.S.T Labor have found new G.S.T by stealth, clever, very clever. LOL,LOL,LOL

 

[wayneL]

Julia it's true I havn't followed this thread in much if any detail. I was mostly responding to what I saw as the dismissal of Doris for her extremely enthusiast support of Barack Obama. As far as I can see the majority of forum members left have a reflex dismissal of non conservative politicians - seemingly on principle.

I get particularly xxxxed off when the criticism is just blitheringly stupid (birthers) racist or attempting to smear Obama as a Muslim etc. And frankly it seemed that much of the criticism of President Obama cited these areas.

What an astonishing hypocrisy... again.

You may have had a point if you Trots were'nt guilty of reflex dismissal and disgustingl strawman arguments, but you are guilty of the same; and in greater measure!

Are questions of Obama's legitimacy any worse that the crap being dished out on Abbott?

CC response in appropriate place.

 

[Julia]

Julia it's true I havn't followed this thread in much if any detail. I was mostly responding to what I saw as the dismissal of Doris for her extremely enthusiast support of Barack Obama.

And that was my point. Just take ten minutes, go to the beginning of the thread and start reading. Then you will perhaps get some understanding of what I (and WayneL) have referred to.

As far as I can see the majority of forum members left have a reflex dismissal of non conservative politicians - seemingly on principle.

Certainly there are one or two whose Right bias is seemingly entrenched, but overall my experience of this forum is much more of fair minded individuals who are capable of recognising attributes or disattributes of politicians on all sides.
Dogged insistence that either Right or Left is without fault is imo just silly and doesn't ever serve discussion well.

I get particularly xxxxed off when the criticism is just blitheringly stupid (birthers) racist or attempting to smear Obama as a Muslim etc. And frankly it seemed that much of the criticism of President Obama cited these areas.

I understand that, but it's not, as a result, reasonable to criticise others because e.g. they see the past four years of Obama's presidency as absolutely not having lived up to all that he promised. It was this, in particular, that was irritating about Doris's persistent pages and pages of how Obama was going to save not only America but the world. No individual could live up to the god-like expectations she expressed.

My apologies to you as well if I did misconstrue your final comments. I don't generally see you as mean or petty so if I got it wrong.. sorry.

Thank you. Appreciated.

With regard to my "hobby horse". Firstly I didn't think this was a forum on CC . Was there a need to drag it in here ?

Probably not, but it just struck me that what comes across to me as your proselytizing was not dissimilar to the insistence described above by Doris. You do, however, at least make a contribution in other areas.

Lets consider another perspective. On this forum I am one of the very few people left who can articulate and also supports the evidence presented by the overwhelmingly majority of scientists on this topic. The consequences of being wrong on CC are the biggest our civilizations will ever face. But most other other people in ASF who agree the problem is real have stopped beating their heads against the repeated abuse from the usual suspects.

I've chosen to stay in the conversation. Obviously no amount of evidence or analysis is capable of changing the minds of Wayne, or Noco, or White GoodMan or the usual suspects. So clearly I'm not directly addressing them.

But I'm hoping my contributions can inform other readers who have an open mind, can follow URls and are prepared to learn more on the topic.

And what is wrong with that ?

You're exercising your capacity for choice which is fine, just as those of us who are best described as agnostic about anthropogenic climate change can exercise ours not to want to read it. I completely respect that you are genuine in your concern.

 

[Calliope]

Re the "fiscal cliff";

Mr Obama said, he and Mr Boehner had moved significantly toward each other before talks reached a lull on Tuesday.

"What separates us is probably a few hundred billion dollars," Mr Obama said. "The idea that we would put our economy at risk because you can't bridge that gap doesn't make a lot of sense'

Chicken feed really.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/in-...arack-obama-says/story-fngeyb4x-1226540814398

 

[Aussiejeff]

Re the "fiscal cliff";



Chicken feed really.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/in-...arack-obama-says/story-fngeyb4x-1226540814398

Yup. These days, with the world economy surfing along on the crest of a tsunami wave of printed $$$, $Billions, even 100's of $Billions, are very small change indeed.

I'm sure the Fed and assorted big$hot$ much prefer to bandy about the main unit of monetary policy - the $Trillion..I guess $Quadrillions are just around the corner..

 

[Calliope]

Gallup pollsters say Obama is the most popular man in the world and (wait for it) Hillary Clinton is the most popular woman in the world. Who the hell did they ask. Not me. What a dog!

 

[Knobby22]

What about this girl? Would you go out with her? She's a pretty smart law student.

 

[Calliope]

What about this girl? Would you go out with her? She's a pretty smart law student.

View attachment 50261

There must have been some other reason Bill married her. It certainly wasn't sexual attraction. He wasted no time in getting a bit on the side to compensate for her lack of attraction for men.

 

[Julia]

Gallup pollsters say Obama is the most popular man in the world and (wait for it) Hillary Clinton is the most popular woman in the world. Who the hell did they ask. Not me. What a dog!

Why do you always have to be so gratuitously nasty, Calliope?
Are you suggesting we should judge every US Secretary of State on their appearance?

 

[CanOz]

Spare a thought for Hillsy, she just got out of the hospital...

I like Hillary, thought she did well to get on with life and make a well respected name for herself...

CanOz

 

[Julia]

Spare a thought for Hillsy, she just got out of the hospital...

I like Hillary, thought she did well to get on with life and make a well respected name for herself...

CanOz

Exactly. To be as publicly humiliated as she was by her husband's philandering (is that still a word?) and still manage to behave with dignity and courage is a great credit to her imo.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

One of my mates, a tobacconist in Tysons Corner, a suburb of Washington DC tells me that Obama is back on the smokes.

Camel.

gg

 

[Calliope]

Why do you always have to be so gratuitously nasty, Calliope?

ALways? I think that is a little extreme. Sorry if I upset you. I guess we have different tastes. Or is this just another excuse for you to be gratuitously nasty to me? Never mind, I have learned to be tolerant of my critics and I forgive them and hold no grudges.

 

[Calliope]

It is said that both Barack Obama and Bill Clinton hate Hillary and she hates them amd Michelle... but they have to go through the motions.

[video]http://0.tqn.com/d/politicalhumor/1/7/1/b/2/hillary-obama-kiss.gif[/video]

 

[Macquack]

There must have been some other reason Bill married her. It certainly wasn't sexual attraction. He wasted no time in getting a bit on the side to compensate for her lack of attraction for men.

Are you gay Calliope, like your brother?

I see a hell of a lot of curves.

If you have a issue with glasses, they can be taken off!

 

[Calliope]

Are you gay Calliope, like your brother?

Sorry Macquack, can't help you. Try gaymatchmaker.com, they will accomodate you.

 

[Tisme]

Something different

 

[wayneL]

Something different

that just made me feel violently ill