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[sptrawler]

At last the Greens come up with a great idea, that is achievable and sensible IMO.

Greens want independent funding for $100 million anti-corruption commission

The Greens and a key crossbencher want the new anti-corruption body to have funding set independently of the government of the day to protect the agency.

www.smh.com.au

The Greens and a key crossbencher want the proposed national anti-corruption commission to be independently funded and overseen by a parliamentary committee that operates at arm’s length from the federal government.

 

[sptrawler]

A good article on a lot of the issues that politicians have to deal with, surrounding disenfranchised sectors of the community. IMO it does highlight the problem that Sydney/ Melbourne house prices have caused, as so many of the population live there and have a disproportionate influence on the statistics.

How well off you are depends on who you are. Comparing the lives of Australia’s Millennials, Gen-Xers and Baby Boomers

On many dimensions, Millennials aged 25-35 are better off than were Boomers, with housing and the environment the big exceptions.

theconversation.com

 

[Eager]

And that Ladies and Gentlemen, is what you call a false equivalence fallacy... LMAO

It was actually theatre.

Love and kisses,

Bruce.

 

[wayneL]

It was actually theatre.

Love and kisses,

Bruce.

Righteo I'll believe you , but I'm invoking social distancing if you don't mind.

 

[wayneL]

And just for a bit of levity

 

[sptrawler]

And we argue about the media's affect on public perceptions and I'm constantly criticised for highlighting it.

Nine admits its MP upskirt story untrue​

Nine has admitted the central claim of a television news report about a federal MP is untrue, leaving the media company potentially liable for a massive damages payout.


Maybe we could save a huge amount of money, just asking the media who they want to win an election, it would save a lot of angst.

 

[SirRumpole]

And we argue about the media's affect on public perceptions and I'm constantly criticised for highlighting it.

Nine admits its MP upskirt story untrue​

Nine has admitted the central claim of a television news report about a federal MP is untrue, leaving the media company potentially liable for a massive damages payout.


Maybe we could save a huge amount of money, just asking the media who they want to win an election, it would save a lot of angst.

Now let me guess, would that be a Labor MP by any chance ?

 

[SirRumpole]

Now let me guess, would that be a Labor MP by any chance ?

Oops, guessed wrong. Sorry Andrew.

 

[sptrawler]

I think old Malcolm is finding out that people inherently don't respect turncoats and those who sell out their own, irrespective of their personal beliefs they don't like those without loyalty. He is becoming the 'ghost' that he bagged others for being, time he disappeared to his harbourside mansion IMO.

Turnbull slams ‘fascism’ after protesters shout him out of university speech

The former prime minister was escorted to his car by police following a protest at Sydney University, where he was due to talk to law students.

www.smh.com.au

Former prime minister Malcolm Turnbull has decried “fascism” and challenged Sydney’s oldest university to protect free speech on campus after he was yelled and sworn at by student protesters during a function and escorted out by police.
Turnbull left the Sydney University Law Society event on Thursday without speaking, following the boycott by members of the Student Representative Council and student body, who called him “ruling class scum” who “wouldn’t listen to anyone below” him.

 

[SirRumpole]

I think old Malcolm is finding out that people inherently don't respect turncoats and those who sell out their own, irrespective of their personal beliefs they don't like those without loyalty. He is becoming the 'ghost' that he bagged others for being, time he disappeared to his harbourside mansion IMO.

Turnbull slams ‘fascism’ after protesters shout him out of university speech

The former prime minister was escorted to his car by police following a protest at Sydney University, where he was due to talk to law students.

www.smh.com.au

Former prime minister Malcolm Turnbull has decried “fascism” and challenged Sydney’s oldest university to protect free speech on campus after he was yelled and sworn at by student protesters during a function and escorted out by police.
Turnbull left the Sydney University Law Society event on Thursday without speaking, following the boycott by members of the Student Representative Council and student body, who called him “ruling class scum” who “wouldn’t listen to anyone below” him.

They sounds more like Trotskyites rather than disaffected "ruling class scum" .

 

[sptrawler]

They sounds more like Trotskyites rather than disaffected "ruling class scum" .

Hopefully one of the media outlets does a popularity poll on Turnbull and Rudd, that might get them to just move on, it is a bit like listening to ex athletes commentating on current athletes and explaining how great they were in their day.
Not a good look.

 

[PZ99]

He was PM of a Govt that wanted to deregulate uni fees - that was the crux of the attacks.
Nothing to do with loyalty or turncoats or whatever he said or did after leaving politics.

So I've gotta say that was a poor assessment of events and a good example of how media like to distort facts to suit their "adumdum"....

It's dishonest in the first instance and an abrogation of duty in the second

 

[SirRumpole]

He was PM of a Govt that wanted to deregulate uni fees - that was the crux of the attacks.
Nothing to do with loyalty or turncoats or whatever he said or did after leaving politics.

So I've gotta say that was a poor assessment of events and a good example of how media like to distort facts to suit their "adumdum"....

It's dishonest in the first instance and an abrogation of duty in the second

Yeah, but the principle that people shouldn't be "shouted out" of speaking still remains.

The Coalition did some bad things to education. Christopher Pyne boasted about taking $27 billion out of universities.

But if some people want to listen to Turnbull, they should be able to without being subjected to this sort of intimidation.

 

[sptrawler]

Yeah, but the principle that people shouldn't be "shouted out" of speaking still remains.

The Coalition did some bad things to education. Christopher Pyne boasted about taking $27 billion out of universities.

But if some people want to listen to Turnbull, they should be able to without being subjected to this sort of intimidation.

Absolutely, if some people wants to listen to anyone they should be allowed to without the heckling, in the case of high profile presenters one would think it would be a pay to go event, then they may not have had the hecklers.
If the university wanted to use the students fees, to present Turnbull, the students have a right to heckle. IMO
As for Pyne taking $27 billion out of universities, if there wasn't so many kids going to university that haven't the ability, the sausage machine wouldn't need the funding.
As I said if people wanted to listen to Turnbull or anyone else, it should be a pay to view event, but I bet the university used their funding to pay for Turnbull to dribble on.

 

[SirRumpole]

Absolutely, if some people wants to listen to anyone they should be allowed to, in the case of high profile presenters one would think it would be a pay to go event, Then they may not have had the hecklers.
If the university wanted to use the students fees, to present Turnbull, the students have a right to heckle. IMO

Who knows how he was financed ? If it was student fees then maybe some of the students wanted to listen to him. As I said before it sounds like the hecklers were a far Left faction, not many these days are that extreme.

If Dutton went and was shouted down, there would be a bigger outcry I reckon.

 

[sptrawler]

Who knows how he was financed ? If it was student fees then maybe some of the students wanted to listen to him. As I said before it sounds like the hecklers were a far Left faction, not many these days are that extreme.

If Dutton went and was shouted down, there would be a bigger outcry I reckon.

Appologies for the adding bits of text, but the connection keeps dropping out.
I just think as with most things if people want to see it or hear it, it should be a pay event, then only those who are truly interested will go and even the hecklers have to be invested enough to spend the money.
That is what I find annoying about a lot of demonstrators, they demonstrate during working hours for effect, if they are on welfare there should be some penalty because they are disrupting the people, who are going to work, to pay for the demonstrators welfare payment. Way too many people ATM with the "what about me attitude".
Thankfully Labor will sort it out.
As for a far left faction it may, or may not have been, it could just have been a group of students that didn't like Turnbull's behaviour after being ousted as leader of the Libs, who know it may have been the young Lib's that were heckling?

 

[SirRumpole]

Appologies for the adding bits of text, but the connection keeps dropping out.
I just think as with most things if people want to see it or hear it, it should be a pay event, then only those who are truly interested will go and even the hecklers have to be invested enough to spend the money.
That is what I find annoying about a lot of demonstrators, they demonstrate during working hours for effect, if they are on welfare there should be some penalty because they are disrupting the people, who are going to work, to pay for the demonstrators welfare payment. Way too many people ATM with the "what about me attitude".
Thankfully Labor will sort it out.

Even with a paid event, hecklers will find a way to get in and disrupt proceedings.

The only way to stop this sort of thing imo is to cancel the courses of those involved.

 

[sptrawler]

Even with a paid event, hecklers will find a way to get in and disrupt proceedings.

The only way to stop this sort of thing imo is to cancel the courses of those involved.

I agree if it was a paid event, because the people that have paid have a right to get what they paid for, as in a sporting event anyone that goes there with the purpose of disrupting is treated very harshly, as they should.
Like I said I certainly would like to know who funded Turnbull to give the address, before I make a decision as to the rights or wrongs of the hecklers.

 

[wayneL]

...it could just have been a group of students that didn't like Turnbull's behaviour after being ousted as leader of the Libs, who know it may have been the young Lib's that were heckling?

That would be more understandable, but still not kosher.

Let the man speak and put beyond all reasonable doubt what an absolute tosser he is.

 

[sptrawler]

Ive been at union meetings, where the organisers were often shouted down and told to fff off and we paid them. Lol