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these situations are SO difficult, it usually comes back to he said/ she said and the jury must find it hard to workout what actually happened.
She said under oath that she was so drunk she does really remember but she still wants to press charges.
My wife said that she is always surprised that it is assumed that the woman did not instigate or encourage sexual activity.
When I used to work in a nightclub it was made exceedingly obvious by at least two often three or four ladies each night that my company was welcome in bed
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Her lawyers would have warned her that it would be pretty tough.
Very courageous to go through with it, the difficulty is that she left it so late. If she had reported it that night then evidence could be taken from the scene.
Did her boss convince her not to say anything because it would damage the Party ? Maybe that should be looked at by NICNAAC.
Seen both sides of it. Women and men being sht people in general.
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While not being privy to any evidence at hand, it would seem on face value that this legal principle applies:
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Or was she talked into pursuing it, at a later date?
There seems to be a lot of conflicting info, just a terrible situation, it can't be good for her mental health.
Hopefully the case finishes quickly, it is just horrible for all involved.
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I wouldn't be surprised if this principle is under threat by a certain pressure group who think that women are always right and must be believed.While not being privy to any evidence at hand, it would seem on face value that this legal principle applies:
Reasonable doubt - Wikipedia
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Here's the thing, if (and haven't really followed the case) he actually did rape her and can be proved beyond reasonable doubt, chuck him in jail, cut his balls off, pull his fingernails out, whatever.
I have rape victims in my circle of friends and it is something of a life sentence for the victim... an awful memory at best and life destroying at worst.
But, the legal principle still applies, because... well, we all know why.
Lucky you ! What was the name of the nightclub ?
It happens in most nightclubs every night, women hit on the male staff and men hit on the women staff.
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Geezuss come on gents the moment Higgins opened her mouth it was the end of her career, what possible gain could Higgins get for pursuing charges... hint SFA.
Higgins was a junior far from any hint of power within any of her work relationships so interested in any theories of why she would possibly even think of putting herself through this process?
Of course presumption of innocence applies as per the law, when do we get pass presumption of guilt for the victims of rape?
Higgins was a junior far from any hint of power within any of her work relationships so interested in any theories of why she would possibly even think of putting herself through this process?
Of course presumption of innocence applies as per the law, when do we get pass presumption of guilt for the victims of rape?
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Presumption of guilt for what, exactly?
This isn't a run of the mill case.
I'm not suggesting this is why she is doing it, but there's book deals, speaking engagements, social elevation because of victim status, large following you can leverage, etc.
I've known plenty of incidents where lies have been told because I was witness to events.
I also know incidents that guys have absolutely committed a crime.
There's also the cases where everyone was too drunk.
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I believe her too, but allegations are not evidence.
The fact that she was paralytically drunk by her own admission may cause 'reasonable doubt' in the minds of the jury.
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In the real world (so to speak ) there would be a snowballs chance in hell of a drunken woman in a junior position in an organisation even having the nerve to press rape charges against a more senior colleague.
As has been expounded previously she was blind drunk on the night of the alleged rape. In the "real world" doesn't that practically disqualify her from complaining about anything that might have happened ? Why not just put it down to bad luck get over it and move on ?
I can think of more than a few woman friends over the years who have been in the same situation. A couple went to the police but were quickly disabused of taking the case further after interviews and some brutally frank advice from cops and lawyers.
So it certainly takes some courage and a new world view for young woman who was pretty drunk at the time to accuse a senior work colleague of taking advantage of her state.
I could have some sympathy for the view that was all a monstrous lie and that the accused never, ever had sex with the defendant at the time. (He has not said any sex was consensual)
But then what if identical allegations of taking advantage of drunk young woman were brought to light ? Would that have any effect on our thinking.
Naturally these allegations cannot be part of the current trial can they ?
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As has been expounded previously she was blind drunk on the night of the alleged rape. In the "real world" doesn't that practically disqualify her from complaining about anything that might have happened ? Why not just put it down to bad luck get over it and move on ?
I can think of more than a few woman friends over the years who have been in the same situation. A couple went to the police but were quickly disabused of taking the case further after interviews and some brutally frank advice from cops and lawyers.
So it certainly takes some courage and a new world view for young woman who was pretty drunk at the time to accuse a senior work colleague of taking advantage of her state.
I could have some sympathy for the view that was all a monstrous lie and that the accused never, ever had sex with the defendant at the time. (He has not said any sex was consensual)
But then what if identical allegations of taking advantage of drunk young woman were brought to light ? Would that have any effect on our thinking.
Naturally these allegations cannot be part of the current trial can they ?
Third woman alleges she was sexually assaulted by same man accused of raping Brittany Higgins
A third woman alleges she was sexually assaulted by the same former federal government advisor accused of raping former Liberal staffer Brittany Higgins.
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No they can't. He's on trial for assaulting Brittany Higgins not the other woman.
Yeah I believe her version. But what I believe means nothing in court.
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Personally, I will wait till all the evidence that various parties wish to produce has been done so.
Then I may or may not have an opinion as to which, if any, i give the most credence.
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Then I may or may not have an opinion as to which, if any, i give the most credence.
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I think it would be very hard being on the jury
I would not like to ruin an innocent man's life but I do have 6 granddaughters, so naturally I would hate it if someone raped one of them and got away with it
I think I will just have to go with whatever the jury decides as they are actually seeing the witnesses give testimony, the body language and the little nuances would be noticed by those actually there, not me.
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Has anyone in the media managed to ask any political party what their proposals are to prevent a reoccurrence of staffers drunkenly entering parliament and/or potentially getting raped/raping? Such as: Drug/Breathalyzer test reading below 0.05 prior to entry? Cameras in every hallway? Security escort unless you're very senior and it's past 8 pm?
As much as this seems a simple textbook he said/she said/I was too drunk/high to remember case I find it unbelievable that Bruce Lehrmann would have just left the office at 2:00 am without saying anything or checking on Brittney considering they came to the office together only 30 minutes beforehand and she was by all accounts drunk. I don't think any normal person would do that unless something 'bad' happened.
Bruce definitely fails the decent human test in my view, but I can't see him getting convicted unless some actual concrete evidence is produced.
As much as this seems a simple textbook he said/she said/I was too drunk/high to remember case I find it unbelievable that Bruce Lehrmann would have just left the office at 2:00 am without saying anything or checking on Brittney considering they came to the office together only 30 minutes beforehand and she was by all accounts drunk. I don't think any normal person would do that unless something 'bad' happened.
Bruce definitely fails the decent human test in my view, but I can't see him getting convicted unless some actual concrete evidence is produced.
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