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BATTS was a good idea poorly executed, Robodebt was vacuous faith in an algorithm and just shows what the world is heading for if we are run by machines.
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Its all political theatre, nothing more nothing less.
According to the SBS news, it will cost 30 million.
And what will come of it?
No one will get fired, the politicians have already been turfed, and the lawyers will make a motza.
It would make infinitely more sense to spread the 30 million over all the people who got screwed by robodebt.
But its the look that is most important.
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In considering someone's failure, intent is important.
Accidentally tripping someone up is very different to deliberately doing so. The outcome is the same but the context is vastly different.
The ceiling insulation scheme was a reasonable idea with botched implementation.
Robodebt was a purely evil idea with botched implementation.
I'll forgive Rudd far more easily than I'll forgive Morrison for that reason. Rudd might've failed badly but at least the original aim had some merit which is more than can be said for the Coalition's ideological war on the unemployed.
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Yes there is political theatre but if you illegally take money off people causing death you will face consequences, the politicians and public servants who have done this are still serving with no accountability or consequences other than tax payers stumping up legally settlement costs.
If only it humiliates the perpetrators that will be worth it, a pox on their houses.
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I may be wrong but I have a feeling that politicians have indemnity against being charged with offences carried out in the course of their duties.
But maybe such things could go to a privileges committee who could stop the superannuation payments for the politicians responsible.
But you couldn't see that happening, the precedent set could be used against any pollies in the future. They wouldn't want that.
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Unfortunately, that last sentence of yours reinforces exactly what I said.
The alleged perpetrators could all be charged for crimes without an RC.
If blame for deaths can be attributed, let the police and DPP investigate, and if warranted, charge and prosecute.
Any one who is forced/coerced into appearing at an RC and gives evidence, will most likely have that evidence disallowed in a court of law should they eventually be charged.
It will also delay charges for years.
its not about justice, reparation etc, those outcomes will be incidental.
Its pure political theatre.
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At last the impasses are being broken and issues are getting resolved. Projects constantly being held up at the proposal stage, isn't good for the long term development of Australia.
Problems have to be resolved, putting everything on the backburner, just encourages investment elsewhere IMO
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Problems have to be resolved, putting everything on the backburner, just encourages investment elsewhere IMO
Plibersek backs $4.5 billion WA gas plant despite sacred sites impact
Perth-based Perdaman plans to build a fertiliser plant on the Burrup Peninsula in an area that is covered by up to two million ancient Indigenous rock engravings and nominated for World Heritage listing.
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At last the impasses are being broken and issues are getting resolved. Projects constantly being held up at the proposal stage, isn't good for the long term development of Australia.
Problems have to be resolved, putting everything on the backburner, just encourages investment elsewhere IMO
Plibersek backs $4.5 billion WA gas plant despite sacred sites impact
Perth-based Perdaman plans to build a fertiliser plant on the Burrup Peninsula in an area that is covered by up to two million ancient Indigenous rock engravings and nominated for World Heritage listing.
I wonder what the reaction would be if indigenous grants were cut whenever the indigenous community opposed projects that helps to pay for those grants ?
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Very non conformist.I wonder what the reaction would be if indigenous grants were cut whenever the indigenous community opposed projects that helps to pay for those grants ?
Ya going straight to hell, Horace, to be deceived for eternity!
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Mate, you need to cut that $hit right out, you aren't allowed to say anything negative against any minority group, whether it is right or wrong, it is an absolute no go.I wonder what the reaction would be if indigenous grants were cut whenever the indigenous community opposed projects that helps to pay for those grants ?
Stick to taking the piss out of workers, who left school at 15 and worked for 50 years to own a home and pay for their parents pensions, they are fair game.
They were lucky.
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Greens want pay rises for women and minimum wage earners in exchange for supporting jobs summit outcomes
Greens want pay rises for women and minimum wage earners in exchange for supporting jobs summit outcomes
The Greens declare they will push for additional pay rises for workers on the minimum wage and those in women-dominated industries in exchange for supporting any legislative proposals stemming from the government's jobs summit.
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If they think inflation is bad now wait and watch if all these pay rises go through, very 1970's style.
The BLF go out for everyone to get a pay rise, that method lifts wages and prices.
Bring back some real mortgage pain, that will prick the Sydney/Melbourne property prices and as long as they put a moratorium on rents it should sort the property market right out.
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Workplace relations minister, Tony Burke, has hinted Labor may remove “red tape” that discourages multi-employer collective bargaining as part of industrial relations reforms designed to lift wages.
On Monday, Burke all but confirmed the Albanese government will drastically restrict employers’ ability to terminate pay deals early in a speech to the Australian Industry Group.
The comments about red tape suggest that although Labor has not agreed to union demands for industry-level bargaining, it may look to encourage broader collective bargaining beyond separate pay deals for each employer, as the rules generally require.
The BLF go out for everyone to get a pay rise, that method lifts wages and prices.
Bring back some real mortgage pain, that will prick the Sydney/Melbourne property prices and as long as they put a moratorium on rents it should sort the property market right out.
Labor government may remove ‘red tape’ in collective bargaining rules in bid to lift wages
‘We particularly want to make sure the bargaining system works for small business and for women’, says Burke
On Monday, Burke all but confirmed the Albanese government will drastically restrict employers’ ability to terminate pay deals early in a speech to the Australian Industry Group.
The comments about red tape suggest that although Labor has not agreed to union demands for industry-level bargaining, it may look to encourage broader collective bargaining beyond separate pay deals for each employer, as the rules generally require.
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Well , pay rises should be a normal effect of low unemployment.
If Labor bring in more migrant workers then pay rises will be shot dead as employers say "yuk yuk no need to give pay rises we have the workers we need".
Is Labor going to shoot itself in the foot again ?
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I certainly hope not because we do need a lot of reforms at the worker level, but keeping a leash on it all is the problem, if it all starts snowballing it ends up a world of pain for the general public and those who can least afford it.
It is good to give across the board pay rises, but it ends up being a sugar hit and eventually wears off, as the extra wages feed into extra costs.
They would have a lot of data, so hopefully treasuries super computer can do the modelling and it all works out well.
Opposition claims tradies in the firing line from gig economy reform
Sources in a confidential meeting between government and industry said legislation to overhaul the sector would be brought before parliament next year.
Fresh Treasury analysis shows the stakes of the broader debate, as the services sector, which includes the gig economy, now provides 80 per cent of jobs in Australia. By contrast, the lucrative mining sector provides far fewer positions.
Workplace Relations Minister Tony Burke's department began talks on Friday with the major players in the gig economy, including transport providers Uber, Menulog, Deliveroo and DoorDash as well as services marketplace Airtasker and care platforms Mable and HireUp, which employs staff.
The talks will feed into the government's plan to give the Fair Work Commission power to award more rights to gig workers, who lack an entitlement to unfair dismissal protections, workers' compensation, superannuation from their employer, or a minimum wage.
In a speech to transport union delegates on Friday in Sydney, Burke said the new system would operate like a “ramp” in which those closer to employees would get more of the rights that employees enjoy. And he hinted a minimum wage could be among them.
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I certainly hope not because we do need a lot of reforms at the worker level, but keeping a leash on it all is the problem, if it all starts snowballing it ends up a world of pain for the general public and those who can least afford it.
It is good to give across the board pay rises, but it ends up being a sugar hit and eventually wears off, as the extra wages feed into extra costs.
They would have a lot of data, so hopefully treasuries super computer can do the modelling and it all works out well.
Employers are always saying "give us productivity increases and we will give yo pay rises".
The graph below shows that while productivity has been growing, real wages haven't, so maybe the employers owe the workers some back pay.
The real wages vs productivity gap - AICD
Real wages haven't been keeping pace with productivity for a while, which has put a constraint on overall sustainable economic growth.
www.aicd.com.au
The real wages vs productivity gap - AICD
Real wages haven't been keeping pace with productivity for a while, which has put a constraint on overall sustainable economic growth.
www.aicd.com.au
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Absolutely, but the problem is who pays for it, the company or the public? If the company reduces its profit without losing its output, that's great. As long as they don't have to lay off workers.
If the company increases the cost of its product and doesn't lose its sales, or its profit, then the public is paying for it.
The money comes from somewhere.
The other thing is, productivity as such isn't just people working harder, it can also be that less people are required for the same output due to automation.
As wages increase it makes automation more and more attractive, like I said it isn't easy and finding a balance that doesn't send the economy off the rails will be difficult.
I know tradies in W.A are doing fine with wages, affording to pay for them is the issue here, especially for the poor.
If the company increases the cost of its product and doesn't lose its sales, or its profit, then the public is paying for it.
The money comes from somewhere.
The other thing is, productivity as such isn't just people working harder, it can also be that less people are required for the same output due to automation.
As wages increase it makes automation more and more attractive, like I said it isn't easy and finding a balance that doesn't send the economy off the rails will be difficult.
I know tradies in W.A are doing fine with wages, affording to pay for them is the issue here, especially for the poor.
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Bah... just give those workers back their Sunday penalty rates.
No need to reinvent the wheel.
No need to reinvent the wheel.
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I totally agree with you! It is not fair that minority groups as landlords, individual shareholders, SMSF holders or pompous old Boomers - the scourge of society - are allowed to run rampant without scrutiny! I KNEW you would see things my way eventually!Mate, you need to cut that $hit right out, you aren't allowed to say anything negative against any minority group, whether it is right or wrong, it is an absolute no go.
Stick to taking the piss out of workers, who left school at 15 and worked for 50 years to own a home and pay for their parents pensions, they are fair game.
They were lucky.
On the other hand, your Working Class Hero crap is exactly that.
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And that Ladies and Gentlemen, is what you call a false equivalence fallacy... LMAO
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Obviously no mirrors in your place.?I totally agree with you! It is not fair that minority groups as landlords, individual shareholders, SMSF holders or pompous old Boomers - the scourge of society - are allowed to run rampant without scrutiny! I KNEW you would see things my way eventually!
On the other hand, your Working Class Hero crap is exactly that.
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