Australian Politics General...

[mullokintyre]

We *need* a new broom to sweep through Australian politics, much like what happened with the Menzian Liberal Party (you know, before the Liberal Party turned into the cesspit of morons and Manchurian candidates it currently is).

Unfortunately the whole political scene is far too infantile for that at the moment... A largely ignorant constituency and a complicit media.

Yeah, sure, a bunch of rich elitists who think th only policy worth having is to shut down al fossil fueled industries.
Should work like a dream.
Mick

 

[wayneL]

Yeah, sure, a bunch of rich elitists who think th only policy worth having is to shut down al fossil fueled industries.
Should work like a dream.
Mick

Oh God, not them!!!

 

[mullokintyre]

Yeah, sure, a bunch of rich elitists who think th only policy worth having is to shut down al fossil fueled industries.
Should work like a dream.
Mick

That reply should have been to the @PZ99 statement

Nah bugger Labor.. they'll probably parachute Keneally somewhere in that old rot as well.

I'm hoping for another teal style indy wipeout for both sides in NSW.

Mick

 

[PZ99]

They will either shut down or be shut down anyway Mick.

 

[mullokintyre]

They will either shut down or be shut down anyway Mick.

Quite correct, but what about all the other issues facing the citizens of OZ???
Fossil fuel industries had to be shut down because its a finite resource that gets consumed, and thus needed to be replaced with something else.
The climate wars are merely the vehicle to do the shutting down.
The real problem that has been poorly debated and understood is the what that replacement regime will be.
The teals were very vague on the solution apart from offering platitudes about renewals.
Mick

 

[SirRumpole]

Quite correct, but what about all the other issues facing the citizens of OZ???
Fossil fuel industries had to be shut down because its a finite resource that gets consumed, and thus needed to be replaced with something else.
The climate wars are merely the vehicle to do the shutting down.
The real problem that has been poorly debated and understood is the what that replacement regime will be.
The teals were very vague on the solution apart from offering platitudes about renewals.
Mick

The teals are all women. "This is what we want done, now you do it".

 

[PZ99]

Quite correct, but what about all the other issues facing the citizens of OZ???
Fossil fuel industries had to be shut down because its a finite resource that gets consumed, and thus needed to be replaced with something else.
The climate wars are merely the vehicle to do the shutting down.
The real problem that has been poorly debated and understood is the what that replacement regime will be.
The teals were very vague on the solution apart from offering platitudes about renewals.
Mick

I have no idea what the replacement regime will be other than it will cost a truckload of money we don't have and probably never will. Whatever the new regime is going to be, it's not going to be coming from a failed political system where local members are tied to the ideology of perpetuating the old regime as you described in post #1598.

So it comes down to a choice of "Political operatives with zero experience in the real world outside politics" versus a bunch of rich elitists successful business people FROM the real world outside politics with zero political experience.

One thing I don't want is the same crooked people (who gave Keneally the top job over more talented people who gave up in disgust) to be put back into power and giving us nothing other than a massive increase in public debt.

 

[orr]

MPPT.... is the abbreviation of the tool used to most effiecently extract the most power from a Solar PV system.
Solar energy is the cheapest form of energy ever in human history.
The Suadi Oil minister, many years back now stated; 'the stone age didn't end beacuse because we ran out of rocks, the petroluem age won't end because we've run out of oil'

Luckly those with an understanding of Marxist dialectic understand capitalism, we wrote it, and how capital will be deployed. Those that don't are left with their hands in their pockets jiggling their 'rocks' led by the nose by vested interests, aided amply by Corprate media disinformation, into cal-der-sacs.

'Climate wars' are not what will end the fossil fuel industry.
The Teal candidates who stood at the last election have a more than acute understanding of a lot of things. Capitalism being only one of them.

to understand some comments just above insert two vowels to 'mppt'....
I'd probably have to tell you which those are , hey mulligan.

 

[mullokintyre]

MPPT.... is the abbreviation of the tool used to most effiecently extract the most power from a Solar PV system.
Solar energy is the cheapest form of energy ever in human history.
The Suadi Oil minister, many years back now stated; 'the stone age didn't end beacuse because we ran out of rocks, the petroluem age won't end because we've run out of oil'

Luckly those with an understanding of Marxist dialectic understand capitalism, we wrote it, and how capital will be deployed. Those that don't are left with their hands in their pockets jiggling their 'rocks' led by the nose by vested interests, aided amply by Corprate media disinformation, into cal-der-sacs.

'Climate wars' are not what will end the fossil fuel industry.
The Teal candidates who stood at the last election have a more than acute understanding of a lot of things. Capitalism being only one of them.

to understand some comments just above insert two vowels to 'mppt'....
I'd probably have to tell you which those are , hey mulligan.

Another concise and very helpful post @orr
I thank you for your contribution.
Mick

 

[Eager]

Obviously you are front and centre in the pitchfork crew, what a hoot, what is he guilty of and when will charges be laid, if you want to be theatrical which is obviously your want.
The melodrama is fantastic, but as usual your substance is wanting.?
I hope you washed off your tablet, after leaving the ablution block.

So now we have moved on from the formalities, why don't I deserve to be allowed to vote?
Or is it just a case of left wing innuendo bullying?
WOW you nice guys wouldn't do that would you, like throw everyone in gaol that you don't like, or don't like their comments, or don't like the person in question?
Sounds like China to me.
I shouldn't be allowed to make comment, as to why a situation may occur, without being told i shouldn't be allowed to vote? mate get a grip, you're the one with the problem, not me.

This is to clarify the comment I made about your bullying, but being a dick wad, you probably wont understand it anyway.

An innuendo is a hint, insinuation or intimation about a person or thing, especially of a denigrating or a derogatory nature. It can also be a remark or question, typically disparaging (also called insinuation), that works obliquely by allusion. In the latter sense the intention is often to insult or accuse someone in such a way that one's words, taken literally, are innocent.[1][2]

None of the above.

Did you ever consider that I called your voting privilege into question based on your obvious (but oblivious to you) poor judgement of character?

In my humble opinion, if Morrison runs again in his seat of Cook, anyone who resides there and votes for him is certifiable. Anyone defending him by stating that he did nothing technically illegal just shows how morally bankrupt they are.

Morrison has proven to be so contemptuous that it wouldn't surprise me if he didn't even tell Jenny.

 

[sptrawler]

None of the above.

Did you ever consider that I called your voting privilege into question based on your obvious (but oblivious to you) poor judgement of character?

In my humble opinion, if Morrison runs again in his seat of Cook, anyone who resides there and votes for him is certifiable. Anyone defending him by stating that he did nothing technically illegal just shows how morally bankrupt they are.

Morrison has proven to be so contemptuous that it wouldn't surprise me if he didn't even tell Jenny.

I find very few politicans are of good character and I was putting forward reasons as to why Morrison would need to have access to all the information from pertinent portfolios during the pandemic to be able to carry out the function of PM.
Why it was all kept secret I havent commented on, because I can think of no good reason for doing that.
You have put forward absolutely no reason why he shouldnt have been co minister of critical portfolios, all you have done is tell everyone you have a personal hatred of Morrison and that is carried over to anyone who you feel is in anyway supportive of anything he does.
That is a very obsessive and somewhat creepy character trait, but hey it takes all kinds.
Your above post does indicate you certainly have the ability to hate people, just because they dont share your dislike of Morrison.
I wonder who will be the next politician to be the recipient of your pent up hatred, Dutton I would guess.

 

[Smurf1976]

Liberals were absolutely authoritarian as well. That's a big reason they got booted. Labor should probably shut up and get on with it though

Nothing I've come across suggests the Liberals were booted for being authoritarian in regard to Covid.

Rather, they were booted for failing to govern effectively on pretty much any issue and in some cases ministers displaying sheer incompetence in regard to their portfolios.

As a case in point:

Europe’s experience has not been repeated in Australia.

As a result of industry and government working together, we have avoided the price increases seen abroad.

Our local gas supplies have helped to keep prices internationally competitive, protecting Australian gas users.

While Asian spot gas prices are significantly elevated, domestic Australian East coast spot gas prices have not followed.

That quote's from Angus Taylor on 22 March 2022.

Australian Domestic Gas Outlook (ADGO) 2022 conference | Ministers for the Department of Industry, Science, Energy and Resources

Minister's Taylor keynote address at the Australian Domestic Gas Outlook (ADGO) 2022 conference

www.minister.industry.gov.au

That's immediately prior to the biggest price shock for gas that Australia's ever seen and which was well known to be imminent by those on the inside. Heck even a random member of the public who just read the publicly available reports from the ACCC, AEMO, Esso and others would've known full well it was coming.

That's incompetence right there.

That's not in any way saying Labor are better, worse or anything else but the previous government simply wasn't competent to do the job and so were replaced. That's what happens in just about any workplace.

 

[moXJO]

None of the above.

Did you ever consider that I called your voting privilege into question based on your obvious (but oblivious to you) poor judgement of character?

In my humble opinion, if Morrison runs again in his seat of Cook, anyone who resides there and votes for him is certifiable. Anyone defending him by stating that he did nothing technically illegal just shows how morally bankrupt they are.

Morrison has proven to be so contemptuous that it wouldn't surprise me if he didn't even tell Jenny.

Cry harder.
I could care less about someone so devoid of objectivity that they are in fact part of what makes people today so toxic. Your attitude is the exact vomit that will build up the divide

 

[moXJO]

Nothing I've come across suggests the Liberals were booted for being authoritarian in regard to Covid.

Covid was only part of it. Morrison was a control freak. The lunacy started spilling into other areas. Dutton seems like he'd be right at home in a police state, while trying to start a fight with the Chinese. Insane how they kept trying to belittle other countries on the world stage.

They current libs need to be scrapped because I'm not seeing a lot of the right kind of talent.

 

[sptrawler]

Covid was only part of it. Morrison was a control freak. The lunacy started spilling into other areas. Dutton seems like he'd be right at home in a police state, while trying to start a fight with the Chinese. Insane how they kept trying to belittle other countries on the world stage.

They current libs need to be scrapped because I'm not seeing a lot of the right kind of talent.

IMO that is a problem with all Governments, when they have been in too long, the lack of talent becomes a bigger and bigger problem as time goes by, they run out of ideas complacency sets in and resentment between personalities comes to the fore.
The coalition should have been out in 2019, they became a one man band as happened in W.A under Barnett, as you say there is no depth of talent they will be in opposition for some time unless Labor stuff up.
Morrison definitely was a control freak, probably assisted by him having no confidence in those under him in the cabinet, how many times did they front the media? Hardly ever, there would be a reason for that IMO they couldn't be trusted not to stuff up.?
Just my opinion, but I think if there was any talent under him, he would have been rolled same as Abbott and Turnbull, they were just happy pulling a salary and doing nothing useful.

 

[Eager]

Cry harder.
I could care less about someone so devoid of objectivity that they are in fact part of what makes people today so toxic. Your attitude is the exact vomit that will build up the divide

You make me sound like Trump!

 

[sptrawler]

IMO that is a problem with all Governments, when they have been in too long, the lack of talent becomes a bigger and bigger problem as time goes by, they run out of ideas complacency sets in and resentment between personalities comes to the fore.
The coalition should have been out in 2019, they became a one man band as happened in W.A under Barnett, as you say there is no depth of talent they will be in opposition for some time unless Labor stuff up.
Morrison definitely was a control freak, probably assisted by him having no confidence in those under him in the cabinet, how many times did they front the media? Hardly ever, there would be a reason for that IMO they couldn't be trusted not to stuff up.?
Just my opinion, but I think if there was any talent under him, he would have been rolled same as Abbott and Turnbull, they were just happy pulling a salary and doing nothing useful.

On the subject of which, don't the media realise how stupid they look when they keep saying it was a secret, then publish that everyone and their dog knew about it.

It sounds as though with Pitts memory he wasn't competent to hold a portfolio IMO.?

It is looking like Morrison was in charge of a ship of fools.

Also Mr Pitt the ex resources minister is starting to show why he was overruled on the gas project, he obviously is as thick as two short planks.

'Extraordinary revelation': Pitt confirms former deputy PM McCormack knew about Morrison's actions​

Labor minister Murray Watt adds his name to those calling for former prime minister Scott Morrison to resign as former resources minister Keith Pitt tells Q+A Michael McCormack knew what Scott Morrison had done in 2021.

www.abc.net.au
From the article:
Former resources minister Keith Pitt told Q+A that former deputy prime minister Michael McCormack knew then prime minister Scott Morrison had sworn himself into the resources portfolio at some point in 2021.

Under heavy questioning from Q+A host Stan Grant, Mr Pitt, the Member for Hinkler, attempted to deflect questions about Mr Morrison's actions, before he confirmed that Mr McCormack knew about the appointment in 2021.

"Somewhere in 2021," Mr Pitt said when asked when he knew of Mr Morrison's actions.

"I had a discussion with Michael McCormack as leader of the Nationals, as you would expect I would," Mr Pitt said.

"I'm trying to get some clarity around this, because so much of the questioning has been around secrecy, you told Michael McCormack, 'Scott Morrison has sworn himself into my portfolio?'" Grant asked.

"If I recall correctly, I think Michael may well have been at one of those meetings," Mr Pitt affirmed.

Grant continued: "You told Michael McCormack, 'hey, Scott Morrison has now sworn himself in to my portfolio as effectively co-minister', you told Michael McCormack, the leader of your party, then-Deputy Prime Minister, that explicitly?"

"It may have occurred in a meeting that Michael was at with all of us, including the PM and his representatives, or it may have been a separate discussion. I'm working my way through what is a very complex diary," Mr Pitt responded.

And on the ABC radio news this morning, they are still saying the secret swearing in, nothing like good old media narrative to keep the muppets juiced up.?
Maybe they should read their own articles?

 

[SirRumpole]

On the subject of which, don't the media realise how stupid they look when they keep saying it was a secret, then publish that everyone and their dog knew about it.

It sounds as though with Pitts memory he wasn't competent to hold a portfolio IMO.?

It is looking like Morrison was in charge of a ship of fools.

Also Mr Pitt the ex resources minister is starting to show why he was overruled on the gas project, he obviously is as thick as two short planks.


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'Extraordinary revelation': Pitt confirms former deputy PM McCormack knew about Morrison's actions​

Labor minister Murray Watt adds his name to those calling for former prime minister Scott Morrison to resign as former resources minister Keith Pitt tells Q+A Michael McCormack knew what Scott Morrison had done in 2021.
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From the article:
Former resources minister Keith Pitt told Q+A that former deputy prime minister Michael McCormack knew then prime minister Scott Morrison had sworn himself into the resources portfolio at some point in 2021.

Under heavy questioning from Q+A host Stan Grant, Mr Pitt, the Member for Hinkler, attempted to deflect questions about Mr Morrison's actions, before he confirmed that Mr McCormack knew about the appointment in 2021.

"Somewhere in 2021," Mr Pitt said when asked when he knew of Mr Morrison's actions.

"I had a discussion with Michael McCormack as leader of the Nationals, as you would expect I would," Mr Pitt said.

"I'm trying to get some clarity around this, because so much of the questioning has been around secrecy, you told Michael McCormack, 'Scott Morrison has sworn himself into my portfolio?'" Grant asked.

"If I recall correctly, I think Michael may well have been at one of those meetings," Mr Pitt affirmed.

Grant continued: "You told Michael McCormack, 'hey, Scott Morrison has now sworn himself in to my portfolio as effectively co-minister', you told Michael McCormack, the leader of your party, then-Deputy Prime Minister, that explicitly?"

"It may have occurred in a meeting that Michael was at with all of us, including the PM and his representatives, or it may have been a separate discussion. I'm working my way through what is a very complex diary," Mr Pitt responded.

And on the ABC radio news this morning, they are still saying the secret swearing in, nothing like good old media narrative to keep the muppets juiced up.?
Maybe they should read their own articles?

The press are having a field day over this, running around like flapping chooks.

Never mind the housing crisis or energy prices, just concentrate on the scandals.

Fair enough that it should be reported, but it's old news now.

 

[moXJO]

The press are having a field day over this, running around like flapping chooks.

Never mind the housing crisis or energy prices, just concentrate on the scandals.

Fair enough that it should be reported, but it's old news nonow.

It seems like a waste of energy because everyone hates scomo already. Talk about flogging a dead horse.

I mean if we want to talk about suss situations, isn't Alex Bukarica a talking point?

 

[sptrawler]

The press are having a field day over this, running around like flapping chooks.

Never mind the housing crisis or energy prices, just concentrate on the scandals.

Fair enough that it should be reported, but it's old news now.

Yes, I ran it past the oracle (the missus) what she thought about the issue, she has to turn the radio off when the news interupts her ABC classic listening, she said " the reporters must be crazy, to think anyone in Australia would be stupid enough to believe that anything in the Government was a secret, politicians can't help but run off at the mouth, the media is stupid"
I said if you think people aren't stupid enough to believe what the media says, don't join an online forum.
I don't have to worry about that though, the only things she does online is sudoku, jigsaws, criptic crosswords and general knowledge quizzes.