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I do not want ANY unelected organisations or people within them to have the final say over corruption.
When (no if about it) corruption is observed, the people are the final arbiters, they vote the parasites out.
Police, IBACs, secret services, etc can be just as corrupt as politicians.
These orgs have to be the servants of the people, and it is the people who must decide whether someone stays in office.
There have been far too many peoples lives and careers ruined by unsubstantiated and unproven allegations by these investigative bodies, that seem to think they are above everyone else.
I have no time for them and wish they would take their egos and crawl back under the rock from whence they came.
Mick
 
moXJO said:
Seems a reasonable excuse considering it was unknown how covid was going to play out.
Stopping the petroleum exploration licence off the NSW Central Coast was a good thing. But looked like an "optics" play.

I just thought scomo was a micromanaging dick and this move was right up his alley. Not sure he broke any laws though?
Not unless he received some monetary benefits.
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The PM did his job. He appointed ministers (which happened to be himself). The problem is with the Australian Constitution as It does not have the required checks. Anyways, the people spoke and voted that sh*t show government out of power.

Albo should stop whinging and get on with governing as there is nothing stopping labor from introducing a bill that requires all appointments to be publicly disclosed within 7 days of GG approval or something like that. Fix the issue and move on.
 
sptrawler said:
Always being so angry and wound up, can't be good for your health, the 'Australian' has a block I can't get through so I can't read that and I don't know Barnaby Joyce's phone number. ?

www.abc.net.au

Scott Morrison apologises to colleagues for secret ministry grab, as former home affairs minister calls on him to quit parliament

A senior Liberal frontbencher says former prime minister Scott Morrison must quit parliament, after learning her role was jointly controlled by him without her knowledge or that of the nation's top intelligence officials.
www.abc.net.au www.abc.net.au
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Barnaby was a bit angry. He was just pointing out a few things. Don't think he liked Morrison much.

I find it quite amusing in a way. More to come out today. There will be laws passed after this.

Records show he held a Cabinet meeting with himself alone to do stuff without the rest of the coalition knowing. It's quite unbelievable.

One thing it has revealed a problem with the Governor General system. No one thought he would sign up secret ministers and hide it from the party in power and everyone else.

I mean how do we even know Morrison was the real Prime Minister :)
 
Knobby22 said:
Barnaby was a bit angry. He was just pointing out a few things. Don't think he liked Morrison much.

I find it quite amusing in a way. More to come out today. There will be laws passed after this.

Records show he held a Cabinet meeting with himself alone to do stuff without the rest of the coalition knowing. It's quite unbelievable.

One thing it has revealed a problem with the Governor General system. No one thought he would sign up secret ministers and hide it from the party in power and everyone else.

I mean how do we even know Morrison was the real Prime Minister :)
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I'm not sure, but in the case of a national emergency or crisis, you may find the precedent has already been set e.g the War etc.

A lot of the issue as I've said revolves around the media constantly attacking the leader, no matter which party they belong to, on every issue across every portfolio and if they can't answer the media get into hyperdrive.
like I said they did it with Albo, during the election campaign, if as happened with Morrison you are in charge during a national emergency and 24/7 news coverage you have to be across everything. So I can actually understand it happening, not all your ministers are geniuses and not all the information is passed on.

During the pandemic there were billions and billions of dollars flying around and Morrison had to know where they were going, what they were paying for, how much and what the status was on each and every issue. Not easy.
I think as usual it is a mountain out of a molehill, but if something has been done incorrectly as you say it will be addressed, hopefully not by the media. :2twocents

On a personal note Morrison wasn't my cup of tea, but IMO he was extremely competent and had a hell of memory for detail. But as @moXJO said too much of a micro manager and as with a lot of religious people, too invested in their own opinion for my tastes.
 
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sptrawler said:
I'm not sure, but in the case of a national emergency or crisis, you may find the precedent has already been set e.g the War etc.

A lot of the issue as I've said revolves around the media constantly attacking the leader, no matter which party they belong to, on every issue across every portfolio and if they can't answer the media get into hyperdrive.
like I said they did it with Albo, during the election campaign, if as happened with Morrison you are in charge during a national emergency and 24/7 news coverage you have to be across everything. So I can actually understand it happening, not all your ministers are geniuses and not all the information is passed on.

During the pandemic there were billions and billions of dollars flying around and Morrison had to know where they were going, what they were paying for, how much and what the status was on each and every issue. Not easy.
I think as usual it is a mountain out of a molehill, but if something has been done incorrectly as you say it will be addressed, hopefully not by the media. :2twocents

On a personal note Morrison wasn't my cup of tea, but IMO he was extremely competent and had a hell of memory for detail. But as @moXJO said too much of a micro manager and as with a lot of religious people, too invested in their own opinion for my tatastes.
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Why is albo making a big deal out of this?
Is there an unpleasant announcement coming up?
Perhaps to influence the state elections.

Labor is better off by just shutting up and governing because it looks suss.
If they cant ping Morrison on legal, then it just looks like a political hit.
I haven't noticed Labor and that's a good thing. They are keeping it pretty clean so far.
Start these wars and it gets the swing voters offside.
 
The Devil made me do it. Praise be the Lord.

May not believe in government but certainly believes in power - provided no one knows about it.
 
moXJO said:
Why is albo making a big deal out of this?
Is there an unpleasant announcement coming up?
Perhaps to influence the state elections.

Labor is better off by just shutting up and governing because it looks suss.
If they cant ping Morrison on legal, then it just looks like a political hit.
I haven't noticed Labor and that's a good thing. They are keeping it pretty clean so far.
Start these wars and it gets the swing voters offside.
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Labor is allowed to make a bit of a crack though, its pretty crap.
It will be the Libs that handle Morrison though, 5 ministries now!!.

Former home affairs minister Karen Andrews said she did not know Mr Morrison had assumed control over her portfolio, and said he should resign from parliament.

"I had absolutely no knowledge and was not told by the [prime minister, the prime minister's office] nor the department secretary," Ms Andrews said.

"This undermines the integrity of government."
 
If it's illegal it should be stated so. Otherwise it just looks like a sht throw to see what sticks. I'm surprised lobs didn't go on the attack. They must be worse than I thought.
 
moXJO said:
If it's illegal it should be stated so. Otherwise it just looks like a sht throw to see what sticks. I'm surprised lobs didn't go on the attack. They must be worse than I thought.
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The media wants Morrison out of politics, they had trouble dealing with him and it serves them better to have stumbling bumbling politicians who they can run circles around.;)
Name one politician who can run circles around the media, there isn't many who can tear them and their pre researched questions to shreds.
The media want to dictate the narrative and have the politicians follow it, it will be a mess when it gets to that, but it will happen IMO.
 
sptrawler said:
The media wants Morrison out of politics, they had trouble dealing with him and it serves them better to have stumbling bumbling politicians who they can run circles around.;)
Name one politician who can run circles around the media, there isn't many who can tear them and their pre researched questions to shreds.
The media want to dictate the narrative and have the politicians follow it, it will be a mess when it gets to that, but it will happen IMO.
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Morrison is pretty obviously a religious fruitcake with a Messiah complex. He's a loose cannon , and a bullshiter as well..
 
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SirRumpole said:
Morrison is pretty obviously a religious fruitcake with a Messiah complex. He's a loose cannon , and a bullshiter as well..
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Well I can't disagree with any of that.:xyxthumbs
Accurate on all counts IMO.
You can add to that an extremely good memory and a very sharp mind, but I think your points were his undoing, he will be out of politics soon IMO.
Then Malcolm can have a good nights rest.:roflmao:
 
moXJO said:
Vote out. Not witch-hunt. If he did something illegal then turf him.
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I think media witch hunt will win, the problem is Albo has to live with all these chestnuts they are throwing at Morrison, he is making a rod for his own back by climbing on the band wagon IMO.
He has a short memory, the Anthony Overseasy obviously didn't give him a clue as to how it works, when you're sitting in the 'big chair'.
IMO if Morrison had said I'm taking a role in these portfolios, then the media would have said he doesn't have confidence in the ministers, a no win situation.
Like I said I think he will walk, not much point hanging about, the hounding obviously wont stop.
With Frydenberg gone, it will leave the Libs thin on the ground for PR presence, a bit like the Libs in W.A.
Then it will be a case of waiting until Labor either stuff up, or the public get sick of them and flip them, whichever it is IMO it will be at least two terms.:2twocents
 
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Knobby22 said:
He used it. He overruled the Resources minister without needing to go to Cabinet just before he called the election.

Maybe you should read what happened before calling others muppets.

Maybe try The Australian who were the ones that broke this or listen to Barnaby Joyce.
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Yes you are right, thanks for the heads up, it sounds as though Pitt was a muppet also.​

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Gas permit dithering ‘cost Libs four seats’​

Former resources minister Keith Pitt has been blamed for losing a swath of Liberal seats after refusing to join the NSW government in blocking a controversial offshore gas project.

 
SirRumpole said:
Yes I agree.

It all doesn't seem to matter very much now. If he was Oppostion leader it might be relevant but as a backbencher he has no power so he can't stuff much up.
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Yep, now you have to adjust to a new more benevolent Government at last.
Albanese was sworn in as Prime Minister on 23 May 2022,
This on the July 13, 2022 - what's that 6 weeks, lol, like I said I voted for Labor because $hit has to happen and Labor can get it through the media S bend.
This was stymied, but the intent is clear.:xyxthumbs
Do I think it is hard? Yes.
Do I think it is required? Yes.
Do I think the coalition could enact the required changes? No.
Can Labor? Yes.
They just rushed it a bit, 6 weeks is a bit rich, back it off boys.?
https://www.skynews.com.au/australi...s/news-story/0a35048f0d26d445af8d13290b12eae9
 

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