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SirRumpole said:
What Victorian one ?
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I think he is referring to uncle Dan, the Victorians have a history of loving a bit of discipline. ?

Chairman Dan gains unassailable election lead

Despite mass ministerial resignations/retirements, Melbourne’s seven months of hard lockdowns, mass privatisations (despite promising otherwise), and a raft of corruption scandals, Daniel Andrews’ Victorian Government is headed for an even bigger majority at the upcoming Victorian election: The...
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sptrawler said:
If you can keep the emotion and hype out of it, I suppose from Morrisons point of view, he was hammered on everything during the pandemic.
Vaccines, RAT's, quarantine facilities, masks, China and everything in between, he had to run the heads of the States meetings every other week, plus the media where at him endlessly.

So if you or I were in his position, you would want to be all over things especially the finance and health issues and would want to be read in on everything that came across the desks.
You wouldn't be leaving it up to someone else, to decide what was important enough to tell and what wasn't.

Especially when the media had a field day, over you not being here during bushfires, floods and anything else they could find to criticise you about.
So really if it was legal to be sworn in to to get informed on all and every new bit of information in the critical portfolio's, I would think it would be quite smart and very pertinent to do so, especially through a critical time like the pandemic, where money was flying around like there was no tomorrow.
If Morrison had not had all the info, the media would have crucified him and he wouldn't have been able to successfully run the meetings with the Premiers.

What Albo has to be careful of, is he doesn't get too critical of something he may be required to do himself, as was shown when he was overseas recently, when the floods were on.

Throwing bricks in glass houses has a tendency to end badly.
Just my two cents worth, but apparently I'm a turnip. :wacky:
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So why did he find it necessary not to tell the public and even the other Ministers involved ?

What did he have to hide ?
 
SirRumpole said:
So why did he find it necessary not to tell the public and even the other Ministers involved ?

What did he have to hide ?
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I haven't been following it, just read what you guys have posted up, but like I said you might find that he had to be sworn in to actually be sent all the sensitive info that usually just goes to those departments.
He actually may not have wanted to have any input to the portfolio and just wanted to be privy to the info and that may have required he be sworn in to get it?
I'm sure it will come out in the end, at the moment it is just a media circus, getting the muppets on their hind legs and the parsnips. ?
I always try to look for an obvious reason for something, not just take what the media is screaming out as the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
If it proves illegal and sinister it will come out and there will be trouble, to be always be hoping something is sinister and illegal is how the media sells its papers.
 
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sptrawler said:
I haven't been following it, just read what you guys have posted up, but like I said you might find that he had to be sworn in to actually be sent all the sensitive info that usually just goes to those departments.
He actually may not have wanted to have any input to the portfolio and just wanted to be privy to the info and that may have required he be sworn in to get it?
I'm sure it will come out in the end, at the moment it is just a media circus, getting the muppets on their hind legs and the parsnips. ?
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He used it. He overruled the Resources minister without needing to go to Cabinet just before he called the election.

Maybe you should read what happened before calling others muppets.

Maybe try The Australian who were the ones that broke this or listen to Barnaby Joyce.
 
Knobby22 said:
He used it. He overruled the Resources minister without needing to go to Cabinet just before he called the election.

Maybe you should read what happened before calling others muppets.

Maybe try The Australian who were the ones that broke this or listen to Barnaby Joyce.
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If you read what I wrote, I was talking about the health and finance portfolio's and giving what I thought was a rational scenario for a PM to be sworn in to that portfolio.
As for the resources issue I have no idea why that would happen, but one would assume it will come out.
As for muppets, there are endless examples of the muppets running around like chooks with their heads chopped of, due to a media story which has no rhyme or reason.
As I gave in the example with Albo being overseas, it isn't as though the country stops because he or any other individual is that critical, the country can't function without them.
Yet the media fires the muppets up at every opportunity over that very issue.
As for a P.M to act as a president, I think the media has actually brought that about, by expecting the P.M to be all over the top of every issue in every portfolio as Albo found out pre election when he couldn't recall facts.
The media also intimate that everyone other than the P.M is incompetent, by demanding that the P.M be here whenever there is an out of the ordinary event, there are Federal and State dept's, yet the P.M is required back according to the media and the muppets.
 
wayneL said:
That would be this little paper tiger that Mao Tse Dan can thumb his nose at with apparent impunity.

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The political tribalism over East is amazingly polarising IMO, it is like the footy and rugby I guess, where the supporters are rusted on.
I was just thinking, what would have been said if Morrison had spent hundreds of millions of taxpayers dollars, on paying Murdoch to build a quarantine facility on Murdoch land, next to a Murdoch privately owned airstrip.
I mean seriously could you imagine the uproar, it would have gone ballistic, yet when someone else does that very little is said.
Really strange IMO, thankfully most voters are middle of the road and also I'm very grateful I live here in the West. :xyxthumbs
 
SirRumpole said:
Allegations against Andrews were investigated and nothing was found against him.

Are you saying IBAC is corrupt ?
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Even an Old Bailey hack knows that words have precise meanings and no inferences should be drawn beyond what is written, Horace.
 
SirRumpole said:
Allegations against Andrews were investigated and nothing was found against him.

Are you saying IBAC is corrupt ?
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Where ever there is power and an ability to influence outcomes, there is always a high probability that those who are corrupt are attracted.
Just the same as where ever there is easy access to children, there would be a greater likelihood of pedophiles being attracted.
Human nature.
I'm not sure on the backstory to this article, but when I googled ICAC investigated for corruption this story came up.
As I've already said I feel an ICAC should be a section of the police IMO.

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Inside the downfall of Qld’s corruption watchdog

Queensland’s top anti-corruption boss quit in January in the state’s biggest integrity crisis since Joh Bjelke-Petersen. Now there are concerns the inquiry that toppled him was lopsided.
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This series of events plunged Queensland into what may be its biggest integrity crisis in decades, ever since the corruption agency was established after the Fitzgerald inquiry into the Joh Bjelke-Petersen government.

But this isn’t just a Queensland story. Across Australia, anti-corruption watchdogs are being called into question by political forces subjected to scrutiny at the same time Scott Morrison and Anthony Albanese battle over the creation of a federal version.

The Australian Financial Review’s investigation of the evidence before the Queensland parliament shows concerns were raised that it may have conducted a lopsided probe into MacSporran and his watchdog.
 
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Knobby22 said:
He used it. He overruled the Resources minister without needing to go to Cabinet just before he called the election.

Maybe you should read what happened before calling others muppets.

Maybe try The Australian who were the ones that broke this or listen to Barnaby Joyce.
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Always being so angry and wound up, can't be good for your health, the 'Australian' has a block I can't get through so I can't read that and I don't know Barnaby Joyce's phone number. ?

www.abc.net.au

Scott Morrison apologises to colleagues for secret ministry grab, as former home affairs minister calls on him to quit parliament

A senior Liberal frontbencher says former prime minister Scott Morrison must quit parliament, after learning her role was jointly controlled by him without her knowledge or that of the nation's top intelligence officials.
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sptrawler said:
www.abc.net.au

Scott Morrison apologises to colleagues for secret ministry grab, as former home affairs minister calls on him to quit parliament

A senior Liberal frontbencher says former prime minister Scott Morrison must quit parliament, after learning her role was jointly controlled by him without her knowledge or that of the nation's top intelligence officials.
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Seems a reasonable excuse considering it was unknown how covid was going to play out.
Stopping the petroleum exploration licence off the NSW Central Coast was a good thing. But looked like an "optics" play.

I just thought scomo was a micromanaging dick and this move was right up his alley. Not sure he broke any laws though?
Not unless he received some monetary benefits.
 
SirRumpole said:
The police of several States have been shown to be the most corrupt people in the country over our history.

Are you sure you want them investigating themselves ?
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Like I said where there is a position of power and an ability to pervert outcomes, corrupt people gravitate to it, the thing is the police are an independent organisation that if they are caught severe penalties apply.
With an ICAC, from my understanding they are just about selected by the politicians they are meant to keeping an eye on, at least one level of separation is required IMO.
As with everything something is better than nothing, but then you read about the Wellcamp issue and from the other side of Australia you wonder what is going on, when very little is being voiced in the media.
There is no point in paying for an ICAC, if all they are doing is giving legitimacy to poor conduct.
The media does that, just make stronger laws so that heavier personal penalties apply for political corruption and misconduct and have the police enforce them. You will never stamp out corruption, all you can do is make the penalties severe enough that those who are wavering on corruption, decide it isn't worth it to cross the line. :2twocents
As W.A inc highlighted, some will cross the line no matter what, both Liberal and Labor politicians ended up in gaol. It is one of the reasons I'm apolitical, I don't think corruption resides in only one side of politics and I don't think all politicians are there for the countries benefit.
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