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[JohnDe]

The other issue with regard Turnbull is, since the vote of no confidence by his team, he has done his utmost to undermine the team.
Which in my opinion re enforces that it was a correct decision.
You can't have a leader, who as soon as he is deposed turns and becomes a traitor to the team, why was the person in the team in the first place? If not to promote the team beliefs, why be in the team, other than for personal gain or public exposure.
Run as an independent, if you can't agree with the parties political agenda, simple really.

I have to agree with that. Looks like his true character came out at the end and to this day.

 

[PZ99]

Ok, let us know when you find the source of those quotes that support your argument.

Ciao

I got a better idea. How about you find it yourself given you're the one the offering a challenge to it.

Ciao to you too

 

[JohnDe]

PZ99
I got a better idea. How about you find it yourself given you're the one the offering a challenge to it.

Ciao to you too

As you well know there is nothing to find, no one put their name to those quotes of yours.

Your whole case stands on that an ABC program said two people had conspired to bring down a Prime Minister, and there is a silent witness that heard the whole conversation. We don't know who the witness is, whether they were part of the conversation or eavesdropping, are they credible witnesses or do they have a gripe, or was the reporter roleplaying the situation from gossip.

 

[PZ99]

As you well know there is nothing to find, no one put their name to those quotes of yours.

Your whole case stands on that an ABC program said two people had conspired to bring down a Prime Minister, and there is a silent witness that heard the whole conversation. We don't know who the witness is, whether they were part of the conversation or eavesdropping, are they credible witnesses or do they have a gripe, or was the reporter roleplaying the situation from gossip.

Turnbull actually spoke directly to both people and gave the same response as the witness.

If you don't know who the witness is why are you assuming it's not real ?

If you have nothing to find - you have nothing to add.

Bye

 

[PZ99]

 

[JohnDe]

PZ99
Turnbull actually spoke directly to both people and gave the same response as the witness.

If you don't know who the witness is why are you assuming it's not real ?

If you have nothing to find - you have nothing to add.

Bye

Nothing to find, yes you are correct.

Mr Stokes has told the ABC in a statement the answer to the question of what he had to do with the Liberal leadership spill was: "Absolutely nothing, full stop".​

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Mr Stokes said he had never been involved in leadership events "nor autopsies of them like the one you have published".​

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His statement suggested there had been "spin from parties attempting to re-write history" that the ABC should not be "accepting on face value".​

 

[PZ99]

Nothing to find, yes you are correct.

Mr Stokes has told the ABC in a statement the answer to the question of what he had to do with the Liberal leadership spill was: "Absolutely nothing, full stop".​

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Mr Stokes said he had never been involved in leadership events "nor autopsies of them like the one you have published".​

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His statement suggested there had been "spin from parties attempting to re-write history" that the ABC should not be "accepting on face value".​

"Nothing to find, yes you are correct" So now you've lowered yourself down to misquoting me ?

What a doozy.

Dude... it was Murdoch against Turnbull. Not Stokes.

What you've just posted there is less than nothing.

 

[JohnDe]

PZ99
Dude... it was Murdoch against Turnbull. Not Stokes.

What you've just posted there is less than nothing.

It is you that is name dropping -

PZ99
Clearly you are not reading the link so I'll just post the best bits of it here.
"Mr Stokes told Mr Murdoch that rolling Mr Turnbull would deliver government to Labor, that the industrial relations landscape would see the likes of the CFMEU thrive.

And to remind you -

Mr Stokes has told the ABC in a statement the answer to the question of what he had to do with the Liberal leadership spill was: "Absolutely nothing, full stop".
Mr Stokes said he had never been involved in leadership events "nor autopsies of them like the one you have published".
His statement suggested there had been "spin from parties attempting to re-write history" that the ABC should not be "accepting on face value".

 

[PZ99]

It is you that is name dropping -

Me name dropping ? I didn't write the article.

WOW you just don't get it do you ? WOW

 

[JohnDe]

PZ99
Me name dropping ? I didn't write the article.

You just quoted the parts that you want and ignore what doesn't fit with your narrative.

 

[PZ99]

You just quoted the parts that you want and ignored what doesn't fit with your narrative.

That actually says more about you than me.

You are merely demonstrating the very faults you see in someone else simply because you don't agree with them.

Too Bad

 

[JohnDe]

PZ99
That actually says more about you than me.

You are merely demonstrating the very faults you see in someone else simply because you don't agree with them.

Too Bad

I see that your original discussion has turned to small remarks about me, rather than answer the question that will clarify your view instead you now side-track.

As a reminder, the question is -

You have given nothing but hearsay.​

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The quotes that you posted, who made them?​

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Was it Stokes or Murdoch?​

 

[PZ99]

I see that your original discussion has turned to small remarks about me, rather than answer the question that will clarify your view instead you now side-track.

As a reminder, the question is -

You have given nothing but hearsay.​

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The quotes that you posted, who made them?​

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Was it Stokes or Murdoch?​

I'm not side tracking anything. That's your caper.

All your questions have been answered in print and in video. Your response is avoidance.

And if you want to call highlighting your hypocrisy a small remark about you then that's fine with me.

 

[JohnDe]

PZ99
All your questions have been answered in print and in video

Just answer the question

You have given nothing but hearsay.​

The quotes that you posted, who made them?​

Was it Stokes or Murdoch?​

 

[PZ99]

Just answer the question

You have given nothing but hearsay.​

The quotes that you posted, who made them?​

Was it Stokes or Murdoch?​

Just read the answer

All your questions have been answered in print and in video.

 

[IFocus]

Mean while this.

 

[PZ99]

Mean while this.

Funny thing is the woke term isn't flung around as much as it used to be.

These people keep reviving it.

 

[sptrawler]

As is being shown by Albo's popularity, all people want is to believe that the politician has Australia's best interest at heart, the crux of the matter is the swinging voter who takes the middle ground wins the day.
It doesn't matter if the media has a left bent or a right bent, Labor won the election yet Albo pre election had a poor popularity rating, since the election it has steadily improved.
If he can continue to walk the middle ground, I'm sure he will become a very popular labor leader as McGowan has, by walking the middle ground and not pandering to pressure groups or the media narrative.
Taking sides and ridiculous stances is doomed to fail, as the sensible middle ground will be alienated, then the momentum shifts.
The major parties will always keep their rusted on vote, but it isn't the rusted on vote that decides an election, if it was the same party would always be returned to office, the election is decided by the voters who decide by what each party is offering and presenting and vote accordingly.
As was shown in the 2019 election the middle ground didn't like what labor was selling, this election was won on the lowest primary vote ever, because the middle ground wasn't sure but were fed up with the Liberals.
It is up to Albo and his front bench to consolidate their position before the next election and they have made a good start.

 

[sptrawler]

Kristina Keneally like most political failures blames outside influences for her defeat by another female immigrant.
The red bandana boy gave her s sympathetic hearing.
Mick

See the red bandana muppet is bullying Jacinta Price now, he is a piece of work. Calls out people for bad behaviour, when he is the nastiest bully in the media, absolute dick.

Price pleads with ‘bully’ FitzSimons​

Peter FitzSimons bombarded Jacinta Nampijinpa Price with a series of late-night text messages making legal threats against the Indigenous senator.

 

[wayneL]

See the red bandana muppet is bullying Jacinta Price now, he is a piece of work. Calls out people for bad behaviour, when he is the nastiest bully in the media, absolute dick.

Price pleads with ‘bully’ FitzSimons​

Peter FitzSimons bombarded Jacinta Nampijinpa Price with a series of late-night text messages making legal threats against the Indigenous senator.

See the red bandana muppet is bullying Jacinta Price now, he is a piece of work. Calls out people for bad behaviour, when he is the nastiest bully in the media, absolute dick.

Price pleads with ‘bully’ FitzSimons​

Peter FitzSimons bombarded Jacinta Nampijinpa Price with a series of late-night text messages making legal threats against the Indigenous senator.

The toxicity of this egregious tw@t is truly epic. It will be interesting who of the the left will support him. It will highlight their moral bankruptcy and the proportion of their megalithic hypocrisy.