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[sptrawler]

Yes, but then they blame the government for not doing anything.

That was ironic.

 

[mullokintyre]

 

[basilio]

Lets understand why misinformation laws may possibly be desirable.

Misinformation Laws Not Necessary, Says Meth Addict Peter Dutton​

Outgoing Liberal Leader Peter Dutton – arrested for possession of methamphetamine today – has quashed Labor’s Misinformation bill, labelling it a “scandalous attack on free speech”.

Speaking from a prison cell in Brisbane, Mr Dutton – a former sex worker and director of adult films – said the laws were not necessary and that regulators should not be the arbiters of truth.

“I just want people to know that I love watching hard-core pr0n and listening to ABC radio,” the 65-year-old said, adding that he didn’t believe social media platforms were a hotbed of misinformation.

A raid of his Brisbane home found stashes of drugs, as well as a subscription to Green Left magazine.

 

[The Triangle]

Lets understand why misinformation laws may possibly be desirable.

Misinformation Laws Not Necessary, Says Meth Addict Peter Dutton​

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Outgoing Liberal Leader Peter Dutton – arrested for possession of methamphetamine today – has quashed Labor’s Misinformation bill, labelling it a “scandalous attack on free speech”.

Speaking from a prison cell in Brisbane, Mr Dutton – a former sex worker and director of adult films – said the laws were not necessary and that regulators should not be the arbiters of truth.

“I just want people to know that I love watching hard-core pr0n and listening to ABC radio,” the 65-year-old said, adding that he didn’t believe social media platforms were a hotbed of misinformation.

A raid of his Brisbane home found stashes of drugs, as well as a subscription to Green Left magazine.

That is called defamation. It's already a law. A law well known to Dutton.

You are spreading misinformation about misinformation.

 

[wayneL]

That is called defamation. It's already a law. A law well known to Dutton.

You are spreading misinformation about misinformation.

What our dear bas is missing, is that under the proposed (now withdrawn) legislation, our overlords saw fit to exempt themselves and the main stream media from it.

So mis/disinformation would have been perfectly okay so long as as it's the government or the ABC doing it.

Notwithstanding the libel laws, the ABC could well have printed such a story. It would only be our resident Marxist who would have been in trouble.

 

[basilio]

That is called defamation. It's already a law. A law well known to Dutton.

You are spreading misinformation about misinformation.

It's called satire .. Its called making a point through clearly extreme observation.

The misinformation/lies/hyperbole/BS/ aggression that is spread on the net with little restraint is causing outsize problems.

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[The Triangle]

It's called satire .. Its called making a point through clearly extreme observation.

The misinformation/lies/hyperbole/BS/ aggression that is spread on the net with little restraint is causing outsize problems.

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You failed to understand the original point. So I will repeat myself with hopefully more clarity.

There are suitable laws in place to address this article that you claim was satire. That article was 100% defamation - which there are suitable laws in this country to deal with.

This was just a pathetic attempt to insult Dutton rather than a satirical comment on misinformation laws. Had the article quoted that Albo stole the last election, that vaccines caused HIV, that Perth had been lost to global warming and Russia invaded all of Europe then it could be considered satirical. You even could have taken the other side of the satire and said dutton's grandmother was arrested and thrown in solitary confinement for the past 12 months for saying covid came from a lab and that a 9-year-old student was expelled and facing charges for saying there were only two genders.

If you're gonna post something satirical at least make it funny and relevant.

 

[basilio]

You failed to understand the original point. So I will repeat myself with hopefully more clarity.

There are suitable laws in place to address this article that you claim was satire. That article was 100% defamation - which there are suitable laws in this country to deal with.

This was just a pathetic attempt to insult Dutton rather than a satirical comment on misinformation laws. Had the article quoted that Albo stole the last election, that vaccines caused HIV, that Perth had been lost to global warming and Russia invaded all of Europe then it could be considered satirical. You even could have taken the other side of the satire and said dutton's grandmother was arrested and thrown in solitary confinement for the past 12 months for saying covid came from a lab and that a 9-year-old student was expelled and facing charges for saying there were only two genders.

If you're gonna post something satirical at least make it funny and relevant.

You clearly have no xxxing idea of satire. It was posted on satirical website. Each and every post offers a similar theme. And yes Albo comes in for a serve as well.

Of course in this day and age making outrageous statements as satire is very hard when the reality is often beyond satire and when peopel believe stuff that in most other circumstances would be seen as satirical.

Australia — The Shovel

Australia's satire news site.

theshovel.com.au

 

[sptrawler]

You clearly have no xxxing idea of satire. It was posted on satirical website. Each and every post offers a similar theme. And yes Albo comes in for a serve as well.

Of course in this day and age making outrageous statements as satire is very hard when the reality is often beyond satire and when peopel believe stuff that in most other circumstances would be seen as satirical.

Australia — The Shovel

Australia's satire news site.

theshovel.com.au

Weren't you having a go at @mullokintyre for some satire he put up recenty?

If the shovel was universal in his spread of satire, he may be palatable, the problem is he is only a left wing shrill, so he just becomes another ranting mud slinger.

 

[JohnDe]

You clearly have no xxxing idea of satire. It was posted on satirical website. Each and every post offers a similar theme. And yes Albo comes in for a serve as well.

Of course in this day and age making outrageous statements as satire is very hard when the reality is often beyond satire and when peopel believe stuff that in most other circumstances would be seen as satirical.

Australia — The Shovel

Australia's satire news site.

theshovel.com.au

Who are the authors, contributors and financiers to the shovel?

All I can find is -

Got an idea? Follow the guidelines below​

• The headline is the most important bit. You can just send us the headline if you like. We’ll know if it works or not.
• If you don’t want us to use your name, let us know.
• By sending us your submission, you give us permission to edit your article and publish it in any format.

 

[PZ99]

You clearly have no xxxing idea of satire. It was posted on satirical website. Each and every post offers a similar theme. And yes Albo comes in for a serve as well.

Of course in this day and age making outrageous statements as satire is very hard when the reality is often beyond satire and when peopel believe stuff that in most other circumstances would be seen as satirical.

Australia — The Shovel

Australia's satire news site.

theshovel.com.au

A few years ago we all had an agreement for the betterment of ASF that all xxxing political satire belonged in the xxxing political satire thread which you started ?

Political Satire

Chinese Citizens Told They Must Condemn Australia’s Human Rights Record, Or Risk Imprisonment A directive from the Chinese Communist Party has obligated all citizens of the mighty and glorious nation of China to...

www.aussiestockforums.com

Why can't we just stick with that ?

 

[basilio]

Who are the authors, contributors and financiers to the shovel?

All I can find is -

Got an idea? Follow the guidelines below​

• The headline is the most important bit. You can just send us the headline if you like. We’ll know if it works or not.
• If you don’t want us to use your name, let us know.
• By sending us your submission, you give us permission to edit your article and publish it in any format.

I don't know what you found John but when I clicked onto the link it came up with a range of satirical stories one of which is what I quoted.
I'm sure they also take contributions and edit them as well.
If you look further into the site you will find the main writers.

 

[JohnDe]

I don't know what you found John but when I clicked onto the link it came up with a range of satirical stories one of which is what I quoted.
I'm sure they also take contributions and edit them as well.
If you look further into the site you will find the main writers.

With new sources of information, I always check who the writers are, the editor, how they are funded, etc.

Usually, it is quite easy to find the information, but I couldn't find anything like that on the shovel.

Maybe I need to dig harder.

About — The Shovel

The Shovel is a multi-billion dollar satirical media empire headquartered in The Cayman Islands for tax purposes.

theshovel.com.au

About The Shovel​

The Shovel has been a trusted source of news since 2012.

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There are a few different ways to support The Shovel​

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Contact The Shovel​

You can email us at hello@theshovel.com.au

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• The majority of the articles we publish are mock news-style, but we will consider other formats (like how-to guides, editorial style pieces, listicles, cartoons etc). Articles exposing the subversive communist undertones of Peppa Pig should be sent to The Australian.

Sending your ideas to us​

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• By sending us your submission, you give us permission to edit your article and publish it in any format.

 

[IFocus]

What's the term.. snowflakes

Satire for those that don't g....

 

[basilio]

Liked this analysis.

Why I’ve changed my mind about the social media bill​

Andrew Wilkie

The ban is a blunt instrument that will silence the voices of young people instead of placing the onus on tech companies to protect them

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Wed 27 Nov 2024 17.54 AEDT

I have a confession to make. I’ve done something that politicians aren’t expected to do. I’ve realised I was wrong and changed my mind.
I have two teenage daughters and three teenage stepsons, and when the federal government announced that they were going to ban social media for under-16-year-olds, I was onboard.

Like all of us, I’ve seen and heard of the toxic harms of social media. And one thing I think we can agree on is that the government has a responsibility to protect children and young people from preventable harms. So at first glance it seemed like a great idea, and I was ready to back it in.
But as I read and listened to experts, my colleagues, constituents and young people themselves, I began to wonder if what we’re getting is just a simplistic kneejerk reaction. It may play well with parents who only see a headline on the news, but will it actually do the job?

Social media for many young people is a place to build community and ensure they don’t feel alone, and may be the only place some feel safe seeking support. This is particularly true for people in rural and remote communities, and those from more marginalised groups.

We are naive if we think young people aren’t going to find ways around this ban or move to more unregulated spaces like the dark web

We have heard a lot from the parents’ perspective, but the voices of children and young people have been conspicuously missing from most of the debate and commentary. That’s despite the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child asserting in article 12 that children should be “provided the opportunity to be heard in any judicial and administrative proceedings affecting the child”. And, in article 13, that children have the “freedom to seek, receive and impart information and ideas of all kinds, regardless of frontiers, either orally, in writing or in print, in the form of art, or through any other media of the child’s choice”.

On top of this, even politicians tasked with looking at it have noted that the causal link between social media and harms aren’t clear. And that the risks associated with social media use are not driven by social media itself, but by business models that thrive on engagement-based algorithms and lack of protections and safety features for users. Moreover, we are naive if we think young people aren’t going to find ways around this ban or move to more unregulated spaces like the dark web.

Those are some of the more philosophical reasons why I’ve shifted my position. But there are some practical ones too. For example, there is the fact that the bill is vague and leaves it entirely up to the minister to figure out how it will work. And when asked by my colleague Rebekha Sharkie about the mechanics of age verification, the minister couldn’t give a clear answer.

Is every Australian going to have to hand over their driver’s licence or passport to Mark Zuckerberg and Elon Musk just to access an app on their phone? And can we trust them to use and store such information appropriately?

There is also the fact that, despite all the histrionics about protecting children from harm, the government has dropped plans to ban gambling advertising, shelved their Environmental Protection Agency, kicked environmental law reform into the long grass and continue to cheer on fossil fuels. Surely our kids deserve protection from predatory gambling companies and the climate emergency too.

If we truly want to get serious about protecting our kids online we could better regulate social media companies and their algorithms. We could put the onus on them to implement safety by design. And we could steer kids towards more respectful behaviour.

This proposed ban is a blunt instrument being rushed through before an election. It ignores the nuances and restricts young people rather than focusing on those responsible for the harm. There are any number of things the government could be doing if they were serious about preventing harm, but I reckon in this case they are just playing pre-election games and the opposition is more than happy to go along for the ride.

• Andrew Wilkie is the independent member for Clark

Why I’ve changed my mind about the social media bill | Andrew Wilkie

The ban is a blunt instrument that will silence the voices of young people instead of placing the onus on tech companies to protect them

www.theguardian.com

 

[JohnDe]

I don't know what you found John but when I clicked onto the link it came up with a range of satirical stories one of which is what I quoted.
I'm sure they also take contributions and edit them as well.
If you look further into the site you will find the main writers.

After some digging, I found some concerning information. The ownership is hidden. Why would the owners and contributors want to hide their identity? unless they're doing something highly questionable.

Detailed Report​

Bias Rating: LEFT SATIRE​

Factual Reporting: N/A​

Country: Australia​

Press Freedom Rank: MOSTLY FREE​

Media Type: Website​

Traffic/Popularity: Medium Traffic​

MBFC Credibility Rating: N/A​

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History​

Founded in 2010, The Shovel is a satire website based in Australia. Their about page states, “Ok, let’s be really clear here – most of the stuff on this site is made up. So we’re a bit like The Daily Telegraph or The Daily Mail, just with slightly longer words.​

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Read our profile on Australia’s government and media.​

Funded by / Ownership​

Ownership is not disclosed; revenue is derived through membership sales, an online shop selling merchandise, and advertising.​

Analysis / Bias​

In review, The Shovel is a website that disclaims they are satire with this statement: “The Shovel has a team of 4,000 full-time writers working in a satirical factory in Guangzhou, but we do also publish freelance submissions.”​

The Shovel - Bias and Credibility

SATIRE These sources exclusively use humor, irony, exaggeration, or ridicule to expose and criticize people’s stupidity or vices, particularly in the

mediabiasfactcheck.com

 

[sptrawler]

You're wasting your time @JohnDe , there are loonies on both sides of the issues, trying to convince them otherwise, is a waste of time.

Move on and just keep posting factual information and take solice from the fact, when others have to continually post satire rather than anything intellectual, they really haven't anything to add to the debate. Lol

 

[basilio]

After some digging, I found some concerning information. The ownership is hidden. Why would the owners and contributors want to hide their identity? unless they're doing something highly questionable.

Detailed Report​

Bias Rating: LEFT SATIRE​

Factual Reporting: N/A​

Country: Australia​

Press Freedom Rank: MOSTLY FREE​

Media Type: Website​

Traffic/Popularity: Medium Traffic​

MBFC Credibility Rating: N/A​

​

History​

Founded in 2010, The Shovel is a satire website based in Australia. Their about page states, “Ok, let’s be really clear here – most of the stuff on this site is made up. So we’re a bit like The Daily Telegraph or The Daily Mail, just with slightly longer words.​

​

Read our profile on Australia’s government and media.​

Funded by / Ownership​

Ownership is not disclosed; revenue is derived through membership sales, an online shop selling merchandise, and advertising.​

Analysis / Bias​

In review, The Shovel is a website that disclaims they are satire with this statement: “The Shovel has a team of 4,000 full-time writers working in a satirical factory in Guangzhou, but we do also publish freelance submissions.”​

The Shovel - Bias and Credibility

SATIRE These sources exclusively use humor, irony, exaggeration, or ridicule to expose and criticize people’s stupidity or vices, particularly in the

mediabiasfactcheck.com

John how far did you look in The Shovel website ? The main writers and contributers to the website are

Charles Firth, Veronica Milsom, Mark Humphries and James Schloeffel
You can find all their background versed in their usual style at the following URL.

THE WAR ON 2024 ANNUAL COMEDY GALA — The Shovel

See dates, times and venues for national tours and upcoming live comedy shows from The Shovel.

theshovel.com.au

 

[SirRumpole]

Simon Birmingham to retire at next election.

Dutton too Right for him?

Liberal senator Simon Birmingham to retire from politics

Opposition Senate leader Simon Birmingham will retire from politics and not seek re-election next year.

www.abc.net.au

 

[JohnDe]

John how far did you look in The Shovel website ? The main writers and contributers to the website are

Charles Firth, Veronica Milsom, Mark Humphries and James Schloeffel
You can find all their background versed in their usual style at the following URL.

THE WAR ON 2024 ANNUAL COMEDY GALA — The Shovel

See dates, times and venues for national tours and upcoming live comedy shows from The Shovel.

theshovel.com.au

I first looked on their site - About The Shovel No names or a hint of a source was there.

Then, because the content is yours, I asked you, but you were not forthcoming with the information at the time.

A google search "who owns The Shovel media" and found Media Bias Fact Check which showed - "Ownership is not disclosed".

And you have now supplied a link that is only a part answer, with only one name being associated as a possible contributor/ owner "James Schloeffel (the brains behind The Shovel)" The War on 2024 Annual Comedy Gala Those other names are just contributors to the comedy show.

Thank you for your help, but we still do not know all the facts.