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[farmerge]

80s and prior I'd be saying something different. I copped it big time being a darkie.
Even from teachers.

I think branding everything as "racist" today is too shrill. It's a lazy engagement point. When everything is "racist" it simply loses all meaning.

Mashing groups together doesn't always work harmoniously.

@moXJO branding everyone into one is just proving that they have an extremely poor grasp of the English language.
I was educated in the mid 50's and 60's and it was a very multi cultural society that were at the State School we attended.
I don't really remember much slanging towards the ethnic kids I knocked around with.
I think it was more our parents who were brain washed for "King/Queen and Country".

 

[moXJO]

@moXJO branding everyone into one is just proving that they have an extremely poor grasp of the English language.
I was educated in the mid 50's and 60's and it was a very multi cultural society that were at the State School we attended.
I don't really remember much slanging towards the ethnic kids I knocked around with.
I think it was more our parents who were brain washed for "King/Queen and Country".

80s was brutal, more so for aboriginals. Had a teacher that was outright racist. Would call me a little black cnt.
I even got "ni99er get off my lawn" when I was walking home from school about 8yo by a 30yo guy on the block. That was when i was walking on the council strip.
There was maybe 3 darker kids at that school so it was harder to group in numbers. Had a lot of friends regardless.
I actually find those stories pretty funny now. Some people are horrified. At the time it was crap, but you didn't know better

Does alter the way you think though. It shapes your future. I'm very aware of my disdain for authority and some of my bad qualities i carry.

I remember one kid that was aboriginal that was very smart and athletic. Could have really got somewhere. He came to me about the amount of racist flak he was catching. Ended up just quitting school. Seen him years later in terrible conditions.

Kids are cruel, yep I get that part. But there's a line that changes how you think about yourself and your place in the community.
I went the other way and did boxing and martial arts. Stomped my way through the late 80s and 90s at anyone giving me grief. But it wasn't a turnaround story. I should have gone on to study. Done something academic. Not just self defence.
Luckily I always liked investing and business from 16yo and that got me somewhere.

I'm not seeing that level these days. It did start creeping back around 2010. Identity politics is making it come back. There's a reason for national identity.

 

[wayneL]

80s was brutal, more so for aboriginals. Had a teacher that was outright racist. Would call me a little black cnt.
I even got "ni99er get off my lawn" when I was walking home from school about 8yo by a 30yo guy on the block. That was when i was walking on the council strip.
There was maybe 3 darker kids at that school so it was harder to group in numbers. Had a lot of friends regardless.
I actually find those stories pretty funny now. Some people are horrified. At the time it was crap, but you didn't know better

Does alter the way you think though. It shapes your future. I'm very aware of my disdain for authority and some of my bad qualities i carry.

I remember one kid that was aboriginal that was very smart and athletic. Could have really got somewhere. He came to me about the amount of racist flak he was catching. Ended up just quitting school. Seen him years later in terrible conditions.

Kids are cruel, yep I get that part. But there's a line that changes how you think about yourself and your place in the community.
I went the other way and did boxing and martial arts. Stomped my way through the late 80s and 90s at anyone giving me grief. But it wasn't a turnaround story. I should have gone on to study. Done something academic. Not just self defence.
Luckily I always liked investing and business from 16yo and that got me somewhere.

I'm not seeing that level these days. It did start creeping back around 2010. Identity politics is making it come back. There's a reason for national identity.

Wasn't just brownskins. I arrived here as a 12 yo from LA with a yankee accent. In my first week at school I got rounded up by the locals and had the s*** beaten out of me. All through high school I copped the same crap... always groups, nobody had the guts to take me on alone and I'm not a big guy (learnt to be ferocious one on one though.)

Was that "racism"?

Mrs and her brother went to school in the Midwest... Mingenew, Mullewa etc after being in Kenya. Both got beaten up by indigenous kids because they were white... They were always friends with the black kids in Africa and couldn't understand.

Was that racism?

Dunno, seems to be what to be left want it to be.

 

[sptrawler]

Sounds like all us immigrant kids copped it one way or another.
We came here in the mid 60's, pommie bustards, my brother who was 11 at the time broke out with bad psoriasis, so it was the lepper and his kid brother.
The kids used to give us $hit, it was a case of learning to fight or learning to run.
I was never a very fast runner.

 

[Smurf1976]

Kids are cruel, yep I get that part.

My observation is kids target anyone who's different.

Race is one very obvious example.

Anyone even remotely suspected of being gay likewise.

What I now realised were autistic etc students too.

Any physical abnormalities same thing.

All copped the same outcome back in my high school days - they got the proverbial bashed out of them.

Me well I'm male and white skinned so that ought be OK, right? Not so fast - I'm relatively short (5'6") and was the stereotypical geek at high school who did really well in maths and science but couldn't give a stuff about sports. That also brings the same result.

Same broadly in the adult world. Whenever I've witnessed or otherwise encountered a bully, it's always someone who's different they go after. Always.

That experience ultimately explains my overall attitude today. I'll stand up for anyone who's copping unfair treatment but I don't buy the argument that it's limited to a particular race or gender. From experience, it's anyone who comes to attention as different in any way.

 

[moXJO]

I saw white kids cop it too. I'm surprised some of them didn't neck themselves. It all seemed pretty normal back then.

 

[moXJO]

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/article...change-mens-attitudes-towards-women/cjk2ip4er

Is this legit?
Victorian Premier Jacinta Allan announced this week that Mordialloc MP Tim Richardson would be appointed parliamentary secretary for men's behaviour change

what the hell is going on down there.

 

[IFocus]

My observation is kids target anyone who's different.

Might be wrong but pretty sure its a learnt behavior

 

[farmerge]

Might be wrong but pretty sure its a learnt behavior

From home to the school yard.
I guess that I was lucky that the years that I spent in primary and high school seemed to be devoid of most of this stuff.
Bullying certainly was on, but it seemed to me and I was one who did not condone or like it.
Because of my size then I had few competitors who would take me on if I stood up to the bully.
I found that bully's were always gutless, and usually a decent whack, out of the sight of the patrolling teacher on the school yard, where it hurt the most was usually enough to send him/them off in tears, and not come back looking for more.
Because of the very mixed population we had then I can't recall racism ever being a real problem.
Just bully's picking on the weaker kids

 

[IFocus]

From home to the school yard.
I guess that I was lucky that the years that I spent in primary and high school seemed to be devoid of most of this stuff.
Bullying certainly was on, but it seemed to me and I was one who did not condone or like it.
Because of my size then I had few competitors who would take me on if I stood up to the bully.
I found that bully's were always gutless, and usually a decent whack, out of the sight of the patrolling teacher on the school yard, where it hurt the most was usually enough to send him/them off in tears, and not come back looking for more.
Because of the very mixed population we had then I can't recall racism ever being a real problem.
Just bully's picking on the weaker kids

It was rife at both primary and high school probably a reflection of how disfuncional home life was for many in my area seeing women with black eyes was common as was child sexual abuse, incest, alcohol abuse, just general dysfunction etc.

We also had Hillston Boys home remember one of the boys from there playing football with another kids head in the quadrangle was kind of normal.

 

[farmerge]

It was rife at both primary and high school probably a reflection of how disfuncional home life was for many in my area seeing women with black eyes was common as was child sexual abuse, incest, alcohol abuse, just general dysfunction etc.

We also had Hillston Boys home remember one of the boys from there playing football with another kids head in the quadrangle was kind of normal.

@IFocus Hillston was/is over the road from our 1st property here on the Scarp.
Had our clothes line cleaned out in the first week as we were unaware of the number of escapees.
Soon learnt.

 

[IFocus]

@IFocus Hillston was/is over the road from our 1st property here on the Scarp.
Had our clothes line cleaned out in the first week as we were unaware of the number of escapees.
Soon learnt.

There is a really good story of a new manager there, progressive type apparently, wanted to get closer to the boys so got a group of car thieves together outside next to his car said "the keys are in my pocket show me how you steal cars"

They found him unconscious later, car gone.

 

[Smurf1976]

Might be wrong but pretty sure its a learnt behavior

Kids before school age tend to be pretty innocent so I think that's true. It's only once they start mixing with others that bad things start to happen.

 

[SirRumpole]

Kids before school age tend to be pretty innocent so I think that's true. It's only once they start mixing with others that bad things start to happen.

"Fell in with the wrong crowd", the eternal excuse.

 

[macca]

"Fell in with the wrong crowd", the eternal excuse.

Many young people are quite insecure and the desire to belong and to be popular is very strong, users are very adept at attracting followers and they get naive kids to do their dirty work.

It has ever been thus and will continue to be so, both in adults and kids.

I have always had hanger-ons, fortunately I was well brought up and my gang kept to ourselves except when bullies picked on one of us.

Then we stuck together

 

[Smurf1976]

Apply this man's comments to society overall, rather than the individual, and it's a simple yet profound statement that explains an awful lot about the situation the world's in today.



Apply that attitude to political and business leadership and it explains an awful lot. A generation that grew up taking it for granted that wealth would continue didn't see a need to focus on it once they got into positions of leadership. Now here we are with an almighty mess.

 

[Smurf1976]

Regarding the above post, to clarify I'm not suggesting that everyone born at that time is evil or that it applies to everyone without exception.

Only that it seems a plausible explanation for the state of the world, bearing in mind a good portion of those who ended up in positions of leadership would likely have grown up in better circumstances than average.

 

[SirRumpole]

Only that it seems a plausible explanation for the state of the world, bearing in mind a good portion of those who ended up in positions of leadership would likely have grown up in better circumstances than average.

Indeed, with housing affordable and free University (thanks to that bastard Whitlem ), most of our leaders are in far better positions than today's youth burdened with unaffordable housing and HECS debt.

Maybe for every paying overseas student, one Aussie student should get free university, based on merit of course.

 

[sptrawler]

Good to see a bit of Karma happening in the political scene, as usual it was always easier to criticise from opposition..

Scott Morrison was crucified for saying "it's not my job" when deflecting questions regarding fire fighting.

Now we have Albo deflecting responsibility for the release of criminals, by saying "its not my job".

All of a sudden, we have the debacle about which overseas people can and can't be allowed into the australian defence force, one minister says one thing, another says different, imagine how difficult it would be if the country was shut down and Albo was in charge.

Maybe he will want to be written in to all correspondence regarding the pertaining portfolios, as none of the responsible ministers seem to have a fluckn clue as to what is going on.

Karmas a bitch, but only if the left wing media print it, which they wont.

 

[moXJO]

Good to see a bit of Karma happening in the political scene, as usual it was always easier to criticise from opposition..

Scott Morrison was crucified for saying "it's not my job" when deflecting questions regarding fire fighting.

Now we have Albo deflecting responsibility for the release of criminals, by saying "its not my job".

All of a sudden, we have the debacle about which overseas people can and can't be allowed into the australian defence force, one minister says one thing, another says different, imagine how difficult it would be if the country was shut down and Albo was in charge.

Maybe he will want to be written in to all correspondence regarding the pertaining portfolios, as none of the responsible ministers seem to have a fluckn clue as to what is going on.

Karmas a bitch, but only if the left wing media print it, which they wont.

The left are hive minded. They will circle wagons to protect their own. It's more like a religion at this point