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Wonder how much The Voice plays in that ? The Libs campaign was about crime, not that its all down to the indigenous .
I dont know whether it would be about the voice, the inflation, the dumping of Lowe, the housing, the immigration, or just getting nervous. Lol
When your life is turning to shyte and everyone is talking about you having to dig deeper to help those worse off, all of a sudden the old boring life starts to look not so bad. Lol
I think the story of inflation is bad, here have another handout, is wearing thin.
 
This is the problem with U.S style politics IMO.
How does corruption and coercion not get into the system and how do 'normal' people ever get elected ? Why wouldn't the elites want a system like that, it's a no brainer for the money side of town.

Ron DeSantis is spending hand over fist, Donald Trump’s situation is complicated, and Joe Biden’s Democratic campaign has more than the lot of them thrown together.
 
Just when the Higgins saga looks like it has run out of legs, up pops another sequel, the incident that just never stops giving. :xyxthumbs

The footage shown in the linked article, definitely doesn't show an inebriated lady, who can hardly stand up, couldn't put her shoes on and can't remember what happened, to my untrained eye.
The plot thickens.

From the article:
Crucial CCTV depicting Bruce Lehrmann and Brittany Higgins at Parliament House on the night of her alleged rape has been handed over to a court after a lawyer in the defamation proceedings demanded to know why it wasn’t produced earlier.
Mr Lehrmann launched defamation action in March against Network 10 and journalist Lisa Wilkinson over the 2021 coverage of Ms Higgins’ allegations in 2021.

He later also launched proceedings against the ABC over the live broadcast of a National Press Club address by Ms Higgins.

The case has been travelling through the Federal Court since Justice Michael Lee granted an extension of time earlier this year.

Documents from numerous parties – including author Peter FitzSimons, publisher Penguin Random House and ABC journalist Laura Tingle – were subpoenaed and produced to the court on Monday.

On the last occasion, earlier this month, high-profile defamation silk Sue Chrysanthou SC demanded to know why Parliament House “did not have” some of the CCTV from the night of March 22, 2019, which captured the pair together in Canberra despite it already being broadcast in a Channel 7 Spotlight interview.

At a case management hearing on Monday, Justice Lee was told there no longer had to be evidence given as to why the footage could not be produced as it had been found and produced to the court.
The court was told there had been correspondence with representatives of the Department of Parliamentary Services and the footage was found after they “searched various servers”.

“The material that’s been produced today in response to the latest subpoena, I believe, is the material that would have would have been the material given to Channel 7,” the court was told.
 
Just when the Higgins saga looks like it has run out of legs, up pops another sequel, the incident that just never stops giving. :xyxthumbs

The footage shown in the linked article, definitely doesn't show an inebriated lady, who can hardly stand up, couldn't put her shoes on and can't remember what happened, to my untrained eye.
The plot thickens.

From the article:
Crucial CCTV depicting Bruce Lehrmann and Brittany Higgins at Parliament House on the night of her alleged rape has been handed over to a court after a lawyer in the defamation proceedings demanded to know why it wasn’t produced earlier.
Mr Lehrmann launched defamation action in March against Network 10 and journalist Lisa Wilkinson over the 2021 coverage of Ms Higgins’ allegations in 2021.

He later also launched proceedings against the ABC over the live broadcast of a National Press Club address by Ms Higgins.

The case has been travelling through the Federal Court since Justice Michael Lee granted an extension of time earlier this year.

Documents from numerous parties – including author Peter FitzSimons, publisher Penguin Random House and ABC journalist Laura Tingle – were subpoenaed and produced to the court on Monday.

On the last occasion, earlier this month, high-profile defamation silk Sue Chrysanthou SC demanded to know why Parliament House “did not have” some of the CCTV from the night of March 22, 2019, which captured the pair together in Canberra despite it already being broadcast in a Channel 7 Spotlight interview.

At a case management hearing on Monday, Justice Lee was told there no longer had to be evidence given as to why the footage could not be produced as it had been found and produced to the court.
The court was told there had been correspondence with representatives of the Department of Parliamentary Services and the footage was found after they “searched various servers”.

“The material that’s been produced today in response to the latest subpoena, I believe, is the material that would have would have been the material given to Channel 7,” the court was told.
Wow ! Hot stuff. :rolleyes:
 
Wow ! Hot stuff. :rolleyes:
Someone could be sitting in Jail saying, WTF happen to me and my life? A public prosecutor could be smiling with a sense of pride and the World would have moved on.
WOW is spot on.
Meanwhile, as some people say, "crickets" HMMM. ?
 
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Someone could be sitting in Jail saying, WTF happen to me and my life? A public prosecutor could be smiling with a sense of pride and the World would have moved on.
WOW is spot on.
Meanwhile, as some people say, "crickets" HMMM. ?
Well it didn't take long for the plot to get even thicker. :cool:

Where's the outrage, as they say? :rolleyes:
It wasn't long ago someone's life was shot to pieces by public opinion over similar charges, now the opposite is happening, not a word is said, the power of the narrative.
A new court hearing should be commenced IMO, I think the public deserve that, even if only to prove that the truth will prevail where possible.

The ACT’s top prosecutor, Shane Drumgold, SC, has been accused by an Australian Federal Police assistant commissioner of acting outside his authority after allegedly directing a junior officer to prepare a murder charge against a suspect last year.
The Director of Public Prosecutions, who is central to an inquiry into the handling of the Bruce Lehrmann rape trial, is on leave from his role ahead of the chair of the probe, Walter Sofronoff, KC, delivering his findings in a fortnight’s time.
 
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If Britney doesn't want to do it, which looks unlikely, there won't be a case.
Why? I would have thought there must be just about enough evidence, for the Court to claim the case was an attempt to pervert the course of justice, it will be interesting to see how the Wilkinson case goes. Where they are going to prove that Lehrmann did rape her.
At the end of the day, this has cost the taxpayers a lot of money and to be able to just say "oh well I don't want to talk about it anymore", is a bit rich IMO. She could give evidence remotely, or even make it a closed court.
There would be plenty of people willing to pursue the case, if Lerhmann said I don't want to talk about it, there was plenty pursued the case of Porter when the accuser wasn't present, as it should have been.
There already is a case, the case was brought about when the public prosecuter heard the evidence and decided it was enough to proceed, at that point as far as I know it is out of Brittnies hands, this isn't America.
So now the case is open with no finding as Britney has mental health issues, it is now that the bloke hasn't been found guilty , or not guilty and the public prosecuter said he was very confident of a guilty verdict if Britney could have continued.
I mean really, that's a good ending?
 
There would be plenty of people willing to pursue the case, if Lerhmann said I don't want to talk about it, there was plenty pursued the case of Porter, when the accuser wasn't present, as it should be.

Yeah, trial by media again?

If the only evidence is that video of Brit and Bruce going into a room and Bruce coming out alone, what sort of case is that ?

Britney could have just fallen asleep and Bruce left her there, or there were some male security guards around also who could have done it and Britney was too drunk to notice.

Who knows?
 
Yeah, trial by media again?

If the only evidence is that video of Brit and Bruce going into a room and Bruce coming out alone, what sort of case is that ?

Britney could have just fallen asleep and Bruce left her there, or there were some male security guards around also who could have done it and Britney was too drunk to notice.

Who knows?
From memory the evidence was that she could hardly stand up, couldn't put her own shoes on and was almost comatosed and the footage was auto deleted.
The public prosecuter hasn't returned to work, god only knows why, but many will guess.
Now we go oh well,.
I tell you what if I'm ever done for anything, hopefully someone tries to prove my innocence with a bit more vigor. ?
Let's be honest, the pitch fork crew was out to put the noose on Lehrmann. ;)
 
Absolutely. Just saying he won't get a chance to prove it in court, hence the defamation case.

Not saying he didn't do it either.
And that is the point, a huge amount of taxpayers money has been and will be forked out, with no result because one decides it is too hard.
I'm not sure that is how the law works in Australia, in the U.S the victim can withdraw the charges or seek compensation etc.
In our system from memory a criminal case once accepted, becomes a case of the accused against the State, it then becomes basically out of the accusers hands.
Then the accuser can't just say, I don't want to do this anymore, it is in the hands of the public prosecuter who represents the State.
Therefore again only my assumption, if information comes forward that proves an accuser gave false or misleading information, a charge of misconduct is laid. This stops people using the court system for personal gain, or as a tool for a personal vendetta etc.
Let's be honest, if you could just accuse someone and then walk away, there is a chance that someone could rot in jail.
If you thought you had a good chance of getting them done, then when it looks like it is going to backfire, you say balise I want out, the courts would be full of cases.
So I will be surprised if this is the end of it, only my understanding of it, I'm sure there will be someone who can set me straight if I'm wrong. But I can't see it ending here, Drumgold would be back at work, if it was that easy.:2twocents
I don't know if he was guilty or not, but it is in the public interest to actually follow through if more evidence is forthcoming, that's why we have cold cases.
On his record is an open case of him being a rapist, he wouldn't want to get caught in a traffic accident in the U.S, that's if he could get an entrance visa in the first place?
 
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And that is the point, a huge amount of taxpayers money has been and will be forked out, with no result because one decides it is too hard.
I'm not sure that is how the law works in Australia, in the U.S the victim can withdraw the charges or seek compensation etc.
In our system from memory a criminal case once accepted, becomes a case of the accused against the State, it then becomes basically out of the accusers hands.
Then the accuser can't just say, I don't want to do this anymore, it is in the hands of the public prosecuter who represents the State.
Therefore again only my assumption, if information comes forward that proves an accuser gave false or misleading information, a charge of misconduct is laid. This stops people using the court system for personal gain, or as a tool for a personal vendetta etc.
Let's be honest, if you could just accuse someone and then walk away, there is a chance that someone could rot in jail.
If you thought you had a good chance of getting them done, then when it looks like it is going to backfire, you say balise I want out, the courts would be full of cases.
So I will be surprised if this is the end of it, only my understanding of it, I'm sure there will be someone who can set me straight if I'm wrong. But I can't see it ending here, Drumgold would be back at work, if it was that easy.:2twocents
I don't know if he was guilty or not, but it is in the public interest to actually follow through if more evidence is forthcoming, that's why we have cold cases.
On his record is an open case of him being a rapist, he wouldn't want to get caught in a traffic accident in the U.S, that's if he could get an entrance visa in the first place?
Well , as we saw in the Roberts-Smith defamation case, that turned out as a defacto criminal case, and the defendants proved their case as substantially true.

Which Is why I assume that Lerhrmann is suing 9 for defamation and may sue Britney herself. If they can't prove truth, then he has his name notionally cleared
 
Well , as we saw in the Roberts-Smith defamation case, that turned out as a defacto criminal case, and the defendants proved their case as substantially true.

Which Is why I assume that Lerhrmann is suing 9 for defamation and may sue Britney herself. If they can't prove truth, then he has his name notionally cleared
Yes, civil and criminal are different from memory, criminal is a crime against the state, civil is a crime against the person.
Again only from memory, the little bit I studied law, you could fit on a postage stamp. ?
I wouldn't think he can't have his name cleared in a civil case, it would only be an order of the criminal court that could annul the charges, it will be interesting to see what happens if new evidence is uncovered, then I would think the criminal case would be re opened.
It is great to watch, interesting stuff, I think it will clear up a lot of myths by the time it is finished, this is better than a good book IMO.

Even with the Roberts - Smith case, for a judge to decide that it is substantially proven he was a bully, is a bit flaky, that is a very subjective ruling.
Another court case that is going back to court, this is the problem with all this PC noise influencing what has to be objective decision making, just the beginnings of the push back IMO.
 
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Bad times ahead for Conservatives ?


I would take that with a pinch of salt, the younger generation haven't had much exposure to Labor, so wait till after a couple of terms before making any assumptions IMO.
After John Howard and a dose of Kev 'I'm here to help', it soon went pear shaped for Labor and the current Native Title, Voice, Inflation, Immigration, Housing, Electricity, whirlpool isn't settling people.
A lot will depend on how many of these issues can get bedded down, ATM there are a lot of balls up in the air and not many look like getting landed well.
If they all turn to manure, all of a sudden the dull boring Coalition, look a lot more attractive. Living on the edge with Labor isn't for the faint hearted and there are plenty of young faint hearted families living on the edge, being asked to worry about a referendum.
I'm not sure that is the most pressing thing on their minds ATM. :roflmao:
It is for the rich elites in their McMansions overlooking the Sydney Harbour bridge, I'm not so sure it is for those in struggle street trying to pay the electricity bill, mortgage and or rent that has ramped under Albo's watch, time will tell.

The lady in the article nails it:
She said the future-oriented analysis fails to take into account changes in the political parties, the policies they offer and the lived experience of the individual.

“As a demographer, it’s becoming ever more apparent that comparing generations and pigeonholing generations using arbitrary dates that fit nicely into Gen X, Gen Y or the millennials, it’s not helpful,” she said.

“This analysis is essentially a series of hypotheticals based on previous generations’ behaviours, and it is applying those assumptions of those observed hypotheticals from previous generations to future generations.”
Well that was June 30, it hasn't taken long for the premonition to come to fruition, so to speak.
I just hope Albo pulls it in, we still have a lot of change to implement.
From your SMH, I only say that because apparently I'm right wing, I've been told. ?
Maybe they should work out there is more right wing grass roots poor people, than left wing rich people.:eek:
Anthony and Chris need to sign up to ASF and find out how the real world works, hang on I've got to put the grandkids to bed, grandma has finished bathing them. :roflmao:

Anthony Albanese’s approval rating has fallen to its lowest level since Labor took power last year, but he still holds a substantial lead over Peter Dutton as preferred prime minister.
Support for the government has also softened over the past month, from 40 to 39 per cent, amid growing voter pessimism about the state of the economy and a fractious debate on the Indigenous Voice in the lead-up to the Coalition’s weekend byelection victory in the Queensland seat of Fadden.
 
Support for the government has also softened over the past month, from 40 to 39 per cent, amid growing voter pessimism about the state of the economy and a fractious debate on the Indigenous Voice in the lead-up to the Coalition’s weekend byelection victory in the Queensland seat of Fadden.

If Labor is going as badly as some say, Dutton should have had a massive swing in Fadden, whereas the swing was only about average for a by election. So far I reckon the majority still blame 9 years of inaction for our problems with our economy being better than most in the civilised world.

As we have been saying though, we do have big problems, with housing, cost of living and energy infrastructure , and it's about time they were taken seriously rather than promoting distractions like you know what. ;)
 
If Labor is going as badly as some say, Dutton should have had a massive swing in Fadden, whereas the swing was only about average for a by election. So far I reckon the majority still blame 9 years of inaction for our problems with our economy being better than most in the civilised world.

As we have been saying though, we do have big problems, with housing, cost of living and energy infrastructure , and it's about time they were taken seriously rather than promoting distractions like you know what. ;)
Dutton is as appealing as Shorten was, so using him as a metric isn't great IMO.
I doubt he will be the leader at the election , but having said that I dont follow it close enough to know if there is an up and coming replacement.
The next election is Albos to lose and he is well on his way IMO.
Time will tell.
 
Dutton is viewed as a bigot everywhere bar Qld, if the Libs were able to move him on I'll bet they'll take the win at the next election.
 
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