Aussie Mother faces jail in Thailand for bar prank

[Happy]

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From speaking to Asian friends of mine, tourists in Thailand and Indonesia staying in the cheaper places and travelling coach class are considered trash, and treated so.
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gg

If this is the case let them have it, travel somewhere else.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

Thanks Garpul, regardless of the class of travel, if only more of us travelled with your humility they would encounter the same level of service and reception you do. I've lived in many Asian countries and the advent of cheap air travel has made me embarrassed when people ask where I am from.

Thanks Surfer, I try to treat all people I deal with, with respect.

gg

So anyone who travels economy is trash? Boy, I thought I was a snob but you guys have taken this to a new level. And travelling economy is not synonymous with not knowing how to behave by the way.

On the other hand, I am embarassed by fellow Australians in Bali, and last year, in Vietnam by older (retired I guess), 60 year old men who think that everyone else is spellbound by what they have to say. What is it about old men who yell across crowded airport holding rooms and other public areas?

No Prospector not everyone who travels in economy is trash. Not all swans are white either. However many who go arootin in Bangkok are trash, and they go in packs, usually in economy.

Yeah you really get a close and unique experience of a countries culture and customs from the business class suite at the airport hotel.

Yes cuttlefish, as you do at the other end from a Thai prison. Similar to staying in a 5 star hotel here in Australia and spending a few weeks in Goulburn Gaol.

When I travel I treat the locals with respect, and get respect in return.

gg

 

[cuttlefish]

At the end of the year we should count how many threads Garpal manages to throw in a one liner about how he always travels business or first class.

 

[Prospector]

GG, when you travel business class and stay in five star hotels, you are not seeing how the locals live at all. You are simply mixing it with obsequious people who know that in order to extract a nice fat tip from you, they have to be sugary saccharin sweet and meet your every need. You are a walking $ to them; as are most tourists actually, but you look as though you have a few more $$$$$$ attached than I do.

 

[Sean K]

GG, when you travel business class and stay in five star hotels, you are not seeing how the locals live at all.

GG may be a 'tourist' like most who go on holidays overseas. Is that right GG? Some wealthy people do do the 'travel' experience, but not many...Go on an Intrepid Travel holiday to experience 'travel'. (warning, post contains spam)

 

[overit]

This might have alot to do with her problems. When will western people learn.

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The owner of the Aussie Bar, Steve Wood, said that he believed Ms Smoel had been abusive toward the undercover police who had stopped her in the bar.

"When they talked to her all they wanted to do was chastise her, and they usually let you go, but she did a runner on them ... the police had to chase her down the beach,'' Mr Wood said.

"When they took her back to the police station, she continued to abuse everyone at the police station including the chief of police and I think this is what the problem is.

"It's more of an attitude problem than a crime problem.''

Mr Wood said he had not pressed charges.

 

[Happy]

This might have alot to do with her problems. When will western people learn.

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Good manners would be OK in Australia too!

 

[Trevor_S]

This might have alot to do with her problems.

That's what I was thinking, possibly, piss_ed., full of abuse and used to Ozzie coppers dealing with it and just being immune to her abuse and bad manners. Perhaps the Aussie police should adopt the same tactics to bogans locally, crappy behaviour seems to be rewarded, accepted or ignore here rather then punished.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

GG may be a 'tourist' like most who go on holidays overseas. Is that right GG? Some wealthy people do do the 'travel' experience, but not many...Go on an Intrepid Travel holiday to experience 'travel'. (warning, post contains spam)

Whenever I travel by air it is usually for business, unless someone else is paying.

I claim the costs off my tax so why shouldn't I travel business or first, its your money.

When I arrive in a foreign country it is for work purposes. I meet those who work. I often stay with colleagues in their homes and experience more of the country than most pillow biting tourists do in a lifetime.

Any holidays I take are usually to help out mates in my industry who need a hand. Then they pay the fares, and I do a bit of sightseeing, but only if I pay my own way for the sightseeing which I usually do by motorbike.

Now was this Aussie mother of 14 children pissed or not, was she a victim or a contributor, should someone let the Shapelle mob know about this?



gg

 

[rowie]

From my exeperience travelling in asia and thailand in particular if you are polite and reasonable you will almost never encounter any problems. I bet my last dollar that this lady had acted up in some way, resisting or abusing locals in some way - just got back from phuket last week and experienced first hand obnoxious drunk tourists treating the place and people with a level of disrespect. If your reasonable and enough you the locals will treat you fair. They rely heavily on your tourist dollar after all. If you do a 'runner' like this woman did then you will get what you deserve. Considering the activities that tourists get up to in places like these, it is amazing what they get away with and the level of tolerance the locals have for them!!!

 

[awg]

You have to be careful when you get on the p!ss in Thailand.

there national sport is muay thai

they love to demonstrate, especially if they know you have done martial arts.

Friendly sparing, but easy to get hurt

A guy at my hostel got his nose busted mucking around.

A mate of mine was an amateur boxer, and he got the **** beat out of him, over some sort of drink induced disagreement

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

That's what I was thinking, possibly, piss_ed., full of abuse and used to Ozzie coppers dealing with it and just being immune to her abuse and bad manners. Perhaps the Aussie police should adopt the same tactics to bogans locally, crappy behaviour seems to be rewarded, accepted or ignore here rather then punished.

From my exeperience travelling in asia and thailand in particular if you are polite and reasonable you will almost never encounter any problems. I bet my last dollar that this lady had acted up in some way, resisting or abusing locals in some way - just got back from phuket last week and experienced first hand obnoxious drunk tourists treating the place and people with a level of disrespect. If your reasonable and enough you the locals will treat you fair. They rely heavily on your tourist dollar after all. If you do a 'runner' like this woman did then you will get what you deserve. Considering the activities that tourists get up to in places like these, it is amazing what they get away with and the level of tolerance the locals have for them!!!

You have to be careful when you get on the p!ss in Thailand.

there national sport is muay thai

they love to demonstrate, especially if they know you have done martial arts.

Friendly sparing, but easy to get hurt

A guy at my hostel got his nose busted mucking around.

A mate of mine was an amateur boxer, and he got the **** beat out of him, over some sort of drink induced disagreement

I had a look at the pictures of she and her family on the SMH.

She doesn't look like a bogan.

gg

 

[Conza88]

To sum up the situation: tyranny.

There is no level of proportionality in the punishment. It moves from JUSTICE to KIDNAPPING (on behalf of the authorities)

Punishment and Proportionality by Murray N. Rothbard

Chapter 13 of The Ethics of Liberty.

If, then, proportionality sets the upper bound to punishment, how may we establish proportionality itself? The first point is that the emphasis in punishment must be not on paying one's debt to "society," whatever that may mean, but in paying one's "debt" to the victim. Certainly, the initial part of that debt is restitution. This works clearly in cases of theft. If A has stolen $15,000 from B, then the first, or initial, part of A's punishment must be to restore that $15,000 to the hands of B (plus damages, judicial and police costs, and interest foregone).

We must note that the emphasis of restitution-punishment is diametrically opposite to the current practice of punishment. What happens nowadays is the following absurdity: A steals $15,000 from B. The government tracks down, tries, and convicts A, all at the expense of B, as one of the numerous taxpayers victimized in this process. Then, the government, instead of forcing A to repay B or to work at forced labor until that debt is paid, forces B, the victim, to pay taxes to support the criminal in prison for ten or twenty years' time. Where in the world is the justice here? The victim not only loses his money, but pays more money besides for the dubious thrill of catching, convicting, and then supporting the criminal; and the criminal is still enslaved, but not to the good purpose of recompensing his victim.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

To sum up the situation: tyranny.

There is no level of proportionality in the punishment. It moves from JUSTICE to KIDNAPPING (on behalf of the authorities)

Punishment and Proportionality by Murray N. Rothbard

Chapter 13 of The Ethics of Liberty.

So, in your opinion what should we do ?

Send gunboats ????

gg

 

[overit]

I had a look at the pictures of she and her family on the SMH.

She doesn't look like a bogan.

gg

Is that young tacker sporting a mullet?

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[Agentm]

Whenever I travel by air it is usually for business, unless someone else is paying.

I claim the costs off my tax so why shouldn't I travel business or first, its your money.

When I arrive in a foreign country it is for work purposes. I meet those who work. I often stay with colleagues in their homes and experience more of the country than most pillow biting tourists do in a lifetime.

Any holidays I take are usually to help out mates in my industry who need a hand. Then they pay the fares, and I do a bit of sightseeing, but only if I pay my own way for the sightseeing which I usually do by motorbike.

Now was this Aussie mother of 14 children pissed or not, was she a victim or a contributor, should someone let the Shapelle mob know about this?



gg

lol

the idea of getting caught on your worst moment. pissed and making real unwise decisions. then it becomes a national media circus story..

i bet they were obnoxious as hell that night, and when they were seen to be pinching their property, they got what was coming to them..

the 7:30 time slot news vermin will do the story justice

cant think of anything to add other than when visiting a country, remember your a guest there, and you must behave.. if you run with the bulls then your got to consider getting hurt..

 

[Conza88]

So, in your opinion what should we do ?

Send gunboats ????

gg

Backdoor diplomatic talks, stern pressure, behind the scenes.

If that doesn't work.. Denounce the regime for what it is.

No gunboats, lol.

 

[Stan 101]

Yeah you really get a close and unique experience of a countries culture and customs from the business class suite at the airport hotel.

Well you learn a lot from fingerfood from the bain marie in the business lounge or from the massage technique in the firsts lounge

I'm with surfer on having to try really hard to upset a local on Bangla Rd. The report states that the woman abused the officers and then the police chief. I hope she adjusts quickly to prison life or finds a way for these people to regain face in the eyes of their peers.

As for payment, I see nothing different to taxes or fines here. The police often need to supply their own uniforms or vehicle and the like. When in Rome...eat pasta. If you don't like it and can't respect local customs, stay home.


Cheers,

 

[Happy]

Backdoor diplomatic talks, stern pressure, behind the scenes.

If that doesn't work.. Denounce the regime for what it is.

No gunboats, lol.

Woman hurling abuse at police should expect some punishment and it should not be allowed in Australia either.

 

[Prospector]

If the police were undercover, maybe she didnt realise they were police? She didnt look the least bit bogan to me, quite the opposite.