Asylum immigrants - Green Light

[Calliope]

Well the circulation statistics on newspapers over the last decade, would indicate that not everyone has your passion.

That's their misfortune. For a paltry $4.50 a week they can read The Australian on line.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/get...p_header_157x86_120Q&sourceCode=TAWEB_MPL120A

 

[drsmith]

The Howard government had 1500 people arrive in the six weeks after it introduced offshore processing according to Chris Bowen, but Labor is well on the way to bettering that, by some margin.

Since the government said it would reopen Nauru and Manus Island and that anyone arriving from the announcement would be at risk of being processed offshore, 18 boats have come with 1060 people. Four boats carrying more than 300 people have arrived since Monday.

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/new-policies-yet-to-stem-the-boats-20120828-24yuk.html

 

[drsmith]

It would appear they can be sent back,

A senior source for Indonesia's search and rescue authority, Basarnas, has told the ABC of an overnight plan to transfer the survivors from the Australian Navy ship HMAS Maitland to Indonesian authorities.

Meanwhile, another boat,

Meanwhile, a customs boat intercepted 31 asylum seekers north of the Cocos Islands overnight.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-08-31/asylum-boat-survivors-being-taken-to-indonesia/4234704

 

[Calliope]

SEAWATER has gushed into the corroded hull of a patrol boat in the waters off Christmas Island, dealing a fresh blow to the navy's ability to rescue and intercept asylum-seeker vessels.

The incident aboard HMAS Bathurst is the latest setback for the patrol boat fleet, which is literally cracking up under the high tempo operations required to meet the surge in asylum-seeker vessels coming to Australia

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What a shame. Perhaps the Navy will contract out their ferrying duties to a private company.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...vys-patrol-fleet/story-e6frg8yo-1226462316958

 

[drsmith]

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What a shame.

This could be our salvation, and Labor's secret plan.

If the asylum seekers themselves come to the conclusion that there's a greater prospect of our boats sinking than theirs, it might just slow the flow.

 

[Happy]

As long as we behave like suckers, we will be taken advantage of.

If country shopping would be met with: 'never to be allowed to settle in Australia', at least would make them to find another sucker country.

Like NZ, that is back door entry to Australia after anybody gets citizenship over there, but intended always to settle here.

Like polygamy, not leagl, yet normal in certain circles in Australia.

 

[sails]

This could be our salvation, and Labor's secret plan.

If the asylum seekers themselves come to the conclusion that there's a greater prospect of our boats sinking than theirs, it might just slow the flow.

Why this is a "blow" is beyond me. It seems our navy fleet is wearing out transporting people to Christmas Island.

SEAWATER has gushed into the corroded hull of a patrol boat in the waters off Christmas Island, dealing a fresh blow to the navy's ability to rescue and intercept asylum-seeker vessels.

The incident aboard HMAS Bathurst is the latest setback for the patrol boat fleet, which is literally cracking up under the high tempo operations required to meet the surge in asylum-seeker vessels coming to Australia.

Hole in boat a new blow to navy's patrol fleet

 

[sptrawler]

Apparently a few ships sailed past the stricken vessel and didn't stop.
I wonder if this is a consequence of what transpired, when the merchant ship enroute to Singapore picked up asylum seekers. Then the situation required the ships master deviate a considerable distance to Christmas Island.
Again a stuff up by Gillard, Abbott at the time said a response team should have been sent to assist the captain of the ship. Nothing was done, now ships maybe aren't offering assistance, more deaths at sea.
This government is really slow to realise, for every action there is a reaction.

http://www.theage.com.au/national/ships-ignored-survivors-pleas-20120831-2551a.html

 

[Julia]

Has anyone watched the series of three programs on SBS, Tues, Wed & Thurs, "Go back to where you came from"?
This was followed by a special edition of "Insight" this evening.
Participants included Peter Reith, Angry Anderson, Michael Smith, Catherine Deveny, Allan Asher, and another woman, an acress whose name I can't recall.

It was quite confronting. Full marks to Jenny Brockie for objective facilitation of the discussion tonight.

 

[IFocus]

Has anyone watched the series of three programs on SBS, Tues, Wed & Thurs, "Go back to where you came from"?
This was followed by a special edition of "Insight" this evening.
Participants included Peter Reith, Angry Anderson, Michael Smith, Catherine Deveny, Allan Asher, and another woman, an acress whose name I can't recall.

It was quite confronting. Full marks to Jenny Brockie for objective facilitation of the discussion tonight.

Haven't seen it but do remember this bit....A friend was discussing it yesterday said it was excellent but did favour the left side of the story a little but as you say it was apparently confronting can be viewed on the net.

Reith rewrites history to hide the shame of children overboard lie

ENOUGH, Peter Reith. It has been infuriating hearing the former defence minister repeat all this week that the Children Overboard scandal was just ''a minor incident, long finished'', just ''a small thing'', a ''bit of a stuff-up'' and that he has nothing to answer for.

While talking about his role in SBS's challenging TV series Go Back to Where You Came From, Reith has tried to both rewrite history and conveniently ignore it, and with his cavalier sidestepping of responsibility he is insulting every Australian who was and still is affected by one of the most shameful and deeply divisive moments in our political history.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/polit...erboard-lie-20120831-255u3.html#ixzz25B3cxW5y

 

[Julia]

Haven't seen it but do remember this bit....A friend was discussing it yesterday said it was excellent but did favour the left side of the story a little

Overall, it was pretty balanced, I thought, except for Catherine Deveny who was unbelievably sanctimonious and self righteous, not to mention utterly condemning of anyone who failed to share her ultra left view.

 

[banco]

Is anyone else concerned (and I'll try to phrase this carefully in the knowledge that it's almost verboten to express such sentiments) that a very high proportion of the asylum intake is coming from the third world's third world (so to speak)? I haven't seen any official figures but I'd guess the education level of the Afghani refugees is very low.

I mean if a western country was choosing where to take it's immigration intake from I would think Afghanistan would be very near the bottom of the list.

 

[IFocus]

Is anyone else concerned (and I'll try to phrase this carefully in the knowledge that it's almost verboten to express such sentiments) that a very high proportion of the asylum intake is coming from the third world's third world (so to speak)? I haven't seen any official figures but I'd guess the education level of the Afghani refugees is very low.

I mean if a western country was choosing where to take it's immigration intake from I would think Afghanistan would be very near the bottom of the list.

I think the problem is

1. Who and how many do you let in as a Asylum seekers

2. The turning such people into demons by political parties or in our case started by Howard for political purposes then the chant taken up by people in the general population. Abbott continued the chant by using the word illegal when ever he talked about the subject.


The debate should be about number one IMHO.

 

[Calliope]

Abbott continued the chant by using the word illegal when ever he talked about the subject.

Unauthorised entry is illegal entry.

 

[drsmith]

The debate should be about number one IMHO.

Number one is about border security, but the interests of those who vote in this country is far from number one under this third rate Green led Labor government.

 

[sails]

I think the problem is

1. Who and how many do you let in as a Asylum seekers

2. The turning such people into demons by political parties or in our case started by Howard for political purposes then the chant taken up by people in the general population. Abbott continued the chant by using the word illegal when ever he talked about the subject.


The debate should be about number one IMHO.

IF, I understand that labor gave bipartisan support to Howard's pacific solution. If so, why did labor make it political in 2007????

And I thought we were obligated to take refugees, not just those wanting asylum to have a fully funded life at the expense of aussie tax payers.

If they are not genuine refugees and yet pose as a refugee, then aren't they as illegal as an Aussie fraudulently claiming welfare?

 

[drsmith]

It would appear they can be sent back,

but, will they still be brought here anyway ?

Indonesia's search and rescue agency, Basarnas, yesterday called off its search for survivors from Wednesday's sinking, which looks to have cost the lives of about 100 asylum-seekers.

Immigration authorities are expected to decide today the immediate fate of 55 Afghan and Pakistani survivors, ethnic Hazaras, who were brought ashore at Merak, northwest Java, on Friday.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...80000-boatpeople/story-fn9hm1gu-1226463502573

My bolds.

 

[DB008]

Hmm, are the majority of these people refugees? Paying 10k to get here doesn't seem to tick the box below...

Refugees -
The 1951 Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees defines a refugee as a person who:

…owing to well-founded fear of being persecuted for reasons of race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group or political opinion, is outside the country of his nationality and is unable, or owing to such fear, is unwilling to avail himself of the protection of that country; or who, not having a nationality and being outside the country of his former habitual residence as a result of such events, is unable or, owing to such fear, is unwilling to return to it.

This is the definition used by Australia when assessing claims for protection. The majority of applicants who are considered for resettlement in Australia as refugees are identified and referred to Australia by the UNHCR.[85]

http://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Departments/Parliamentary_Library/pubs/BN/2011-2012/BoatArrivals

 

[drsmith]

Opposition's assistant treasurer Mathias Cormann comments that from when John Howard announced Nauru as part of his Pacific Solution, it was up and running in 19 days. Labor it seems is taking a little longer.

Listen from about 4:40.

 

[sptrawler]

Another example of the greens and labor losing the plot. They are going to look like fools, yet again.IMO
They may as well forget calling boat people asylum seekers and just say all welcome who come by boat. Oh I forgot they already tried that one.

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/polit...for-boatpeople-brain-snap-20120903-259r7.html