Asylum immigrants - Green Light

[sptrawler]

Indeed.

If they are rescued by a commercial vessel in Indonesia's search and rescue zone, why doesn't it return them to Indonesia ?

It would appear from the article that the asylum seekers threatened the crew of the ship.
Doesn't that constitute an act of piracy, jeez we are getting some special people comming.:1zhelp:

http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/...seekers-force-ship-to-go-to-christmas-island/

 

[dutchie]

It would appear from the article that the asylum seekers threatened the crew of the ship.
Doesn't that constitute an act of piracy, jeez we are getting some special people comming.:1zhelp:

http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/...seekers-force-ship-to-go-to-christmas-island/

Current Australian Policy for this type of action - no worries, mate.

 

[drsmith]

It would appear from the article that the asylum seekers threatened the crew of the ship.
Doesn't that constitute an act of piracy, jeez we are getting some special people comming.:1zhelp:

http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/...seekers-force-ship-to-go-to-christmas-island/

I wonder if The Australian's Paul Kelly listened to Tony Abbott's speech in parliament on Monday,

In the interim, Gillard is about to implement Abbott's Nauru policy. Both leaders have a deep interest in seeing it work.

Gillard needs to halt the boats and Abbott needs to have his own policy vindicated.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...e-stop-the-boats/story-e6frg74x-1226450403050

At the end of that speech, TA made it clear that he expects Labor to fail in the implementation and points out that it's only one part of Howard's policy response. He has politically positioned the Coalition for continued failure on this by Labor.

Acceptance of the above asylum seekers for processing without question clearly indicates that Labor's closing down sale on it's one way magic carpets clearly has some time to run yet.

 

[IFocus]

I wonder if The Australian's Paul Kelly listened to Tony Abbott's speech in parliament on Monday,



http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...e-stop-the-boats/story-e6frg74x-1226450403050

At the end of that speech, TA made it clear that he expects Labor to fail in the implementation and points out that it's only one part of Howard's policy response. He has politically positioned the Coalition for continued failure on this by Labor.

Acceptance of the above asylum seekers for processing without question clearly indicates that Labor's closing down sale on it's one way magic carpets clearly has some time to run yet.

Interesting Abbott hasn't made the front page that much and the argument he has put up is more than 3 words so the public are not listening.

The Coalition are now linked to Naru and PNG in the publics mind regardless of Abbotts speech

 

[drsmith]

The Coalition are now linked to Naru and PNG in the publics mind regardless of Abbotts speech

That's the line Labor will try, but Labor is currently linked to government and the failures of government.

From the same article,

The Australian people will not forgive Labor for elevating its moral vanity before the national interest. The reckoning will be protracted.

 

[Julia]

The Coalition are now linked to Naru and PNG in the publics mind regardless of Abbotts speech

That's fine with the coalition. Why are you attempting to make a negative of it?
Mr Abbott and Mr Morrison have been crystal clear that the siting of detention centres on Nauru and PNG in isolation will not work. They have insisted that the Howard policy that worked so well also included TPVs and turning back the boats.

If Labor stuff this up (99% likely) there will be no way the coalition can be held responsible.
Mr Abbott has not come this far to compromise such a prize at the end.

 

[sails]

Interesting Abbott hasn't made the front page that much and the argument he has put up is more than 3 words so the public are not listening.

The Coalition are now linked to Naru and PNG in the publics mind regardless of Abbotts speech

IFocus - the public are not as stupid as you think...or hope...

 

[sptrawler]

It would appear from the article that the asylum seekers threatened the crew of the ship.
Doesn't that constitute an act of piracy, jeez we are getting some special people comming.:1zhelp:
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Again Abbott the only one calling it as it is.

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/polit...rved-sas-response--abbott-20120816-24bgj.html

I would love to have seen how it was handled, if a group onboard a plane demanded it divert from Singapore to Australia.
The lot would have been thrown in jail for an act of terrorism, asylum seekers or not.
This government is absolutely useless, the goon show at its best.

 

[dutchie]

Nauru/PNG won't even go close to working without TPV's

(Come on Labor suck it in!)

 

[drsmith]

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/help/desc/#commentsmore

I can only assume he emailed Channel 9 without luck.

http://today.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=877129

 

[drsmith]

Nauru/PNG won't even go close to working without TPV's

(Come on Labor suck it in!)

Where allready up to 466 who might be sent offshore.

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/...ents/nauru_filling_fast_even_before_its_open/

Then there's the rest that might not. That will be the sign in the front window of the One Way Magic Carpet shop, directly under the faded closing down sale sign.

 

[sptrawler]

I think the people smuglers will be saying, "Get in now before the next election, while the useless incompetent government is in, the door closes after the election" IMO

Why can't Gillard get over herself and call an election, at least it will give her some dignity rather than overstaying her welcome. Oh I forgot she allready has.

 

[drsmith]

The wealth of material has a lot in common with the sheer volume of boat arrivals.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-08-...down-manus-island-centre/4206250?WT.svl=news0

It kinda represents the current state of border protection.

Eight boats carrying a total of 454 people have arrived since the Government announced its new offshore processing policy on Monday.

Five of those boats came in a 24-hour period as the Government rushed its legislation through the Senate.

But Labor will not say what will happen to the recent arrivals, only repeating they run the risk of being transferred to an offshore processing country.

Welcome to Australia.

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I think the people smuglers will be saying, "Get in now before the next election, while the useless incompetent government is in, the door closes after the election" IMO

Why can't Gillard get over herself and call an election, at least it will give her some dignity rather than overstaying her welcome. Oh I forgot she allready has.

Dignity and Julia Gillard on the same page ??

Wash your keystrokes.

 

[sptrawler]

Well doc,the only good thing from this asylum seeker rush, will be another Gillard backflip in a month or so. Watch this space TPV's and turn back the boats, for gods sake turn back the boats.
I think it will be great viewing on t.v, the goon show, with bandaged feet, pulling the trigger again.LOL tears all round.
I can't wait to hear IFocus and So_Cynical when that one is anounced.

 

[joea]

This small extract from an article by Pearson sums up the present handling of
the process.

As Kelly put it on Wednesday: "Gillard has become the new John Howard. What a fate for a proud Labor leader! On asylum-seeker policy Labor is battered and beaten, forced into subjugation so complete and comprehensive it is difficult to imagine a comparable ignominy in recent decades. Labor is tainted by this reversal precisely because it was the issue where it declared its moral superiority over Howard while dismantling his policy. Labor's beliefs have been mugged by reality and abandoned. As the Houston report makes clear, Labor was blind to the power of pull factors. It substituted moral self-righteousness for sound policy. The Australian people will not forgive Labor for elevating its moral vanity before the national interest. The reckoning will be protracted."

However I agree with a number of articles. Labor's heart is not in this back flip. That is very clear.
Gillard is awash in a sea of very bad policy's decision, for which there is no one to blame
but herself. When her ministers offered sensible alternatives, she denied them the opportunity.

joea

 

[drsmith]

The Australian people will not forgive Labor for elevating its moral vanity before the national interest. The reckoning will be protracted."

And that was before Paul Kelly came to this realisation,

If you think this week solved the political divisions over border protection then you are misguided. This issue will only deepen as a public policy cancer because there is little prospect the boats will be stopped.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...lum-seeker-boats/story-e6frgd0x-1226452912689

 

[drsmith]

However I agree with a number of articles. Labor's heart is not in this back flip. That is very clear.

Very clear to Tony Abbott. That I would suggest is one reason why he would not accept Labor's Malaysia solution.

The following contribution from Kevin Rudd goes to the heart of what is wrong with the current Labor Party,

Speaking at a function in Melbourne last night, Mr Rudd said he had been carrying out the will of the voters at the federal election in closing asylum-seeker processing centres in the Pacific.

He's now blaming the electorate for electing them.

No worries Kev. Labor won't have to worry about that again for a very long time.

https://www.aussiestockforums.com/forums/editpost.php?p=724194&do=editpost

 

[joea]

Very clear to Tony Abbott. That I would suggest is one reason why he would not accept Labor's Malaysia solution.

It will be interesting to see how the immigrants are handled if the Coalition are elected.
Its been a few years since (a system that did a job), was broken and dismantled.

As they say time marches on, so any system that worked may need a polish up after a new coat of
paint.

joea

 

[drsmith]

It was only ever a crude solution, but it did the job.

A better solution would come with regional co-operation, but on this at the moment, SE Asia would simply see us as a joke. Diplomacy with our SE Asian neighbours I suspect will be the key to a better solution.

A good start will be to indicate we won't be a soft target.

 

[Julia]

It was only ever a crude solution, but it did the job.

A better solution would come with regional co-operation, but on this at the moment, SE Asia would simply see us as a joke. Diplomacy with our SE Asian neighbours I suspect will be the key to a better solution.

A good start will be to indicate we won't be a soft target.

Agree. Australia must be a laughing stock around the world.
Imo much will depend on what happens to those asylum seekers who have been rescued and taken to Christmas Island since the legislation to re-open Nauru and PNG was passed.
If they are not sent offshore, albeit in tents or whatever, that will just about be the end of the government's minimal remaining credibility.

Any bets as to what will happen to these people?
Will they follow their predecessors and be admitted to the community because facilities offshore are not yet 5 star air conditioned luxury?