They didnt do it under Howards policies and they probably wouldn't have done it if that policy continued.
Gillard is a cold blooded professional user of people, to hear her pretend to be concerned in her news broadcast made me sick.
But we better not talk about the millions of refugees caused by bush and howard invading Iraq and Afghanistan not mention the Massive casualty list - but hell lets make a big deal about a few thousand that try to flee the persecution to downunder and blame which ever political party suis our personal agendas ....
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I don't have a personal agenda
And what has a war to try to rid the world of terrorism got to do with this
Gillard is all i said she is and more
But we better not talk about the millions of refugees caused by bush and howard invading Iraq and Afghanistan not mention the Massive casualty list - but hell lets make a big deal about a few thousand that try to flee the persecution to downunder and blame which ever political party suis our personal agendas ....
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But we better not talk about the millions of refugees caused by bush and howard invading Iraq and Afghanistan not mention the Massive casualty list - but hell lets make a big deal about a few thousand that try to flee the persecution to downunder and blame which ever political party suis our personal agendas ....
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“(Home Minister) Datuk Seri Hishammuddin Hussein’s blind acceptance of the 800 boatpeople who are effectively Australia’s “rejects” puts Malaysia’s national security at risk.
“These 800 boatpeople who are newly-arrived in Australia would not have been screened by UNHCR, thus they are likely not genuine refugees at all,” said Kok in a statement, adding that the backgrounds, language ability, work skills of the 800 were currently “unclear and dubious.”
LOL thanks for that, thanks for pointing out that the Government with the help of 1,2,3,4 independents, or the Liberals, and/or the greens can pass any legislation it wants...very helpful.just a shame that somehow you don't seem to want to face the reality that on its own the Government can do NOTHING.
(I will use big fonts to help you get the idea)
So just like in 2001 the Government of the day NEEDS the support of another party to get ANY legislation thru, in 2001 the Coalation Govt passed the PACIFIC SOLUTION LEGISLATION with the help of the OPPOSITION LABOR PARTY.
And now (AS HAS BEEN THE CASE FOR CLOSE TO 2 DECADES) the Govt of the day needs the help of the OPPOSITION Liberal Party to get appropriate legislation thru.
Just let me know if you need any further assistance with understanding Aust politics 101.
Says it all really.For God’s sake when you have to hide the fact you are a labor member on your election poster then you know your party is trash.
LOL thanks for that, thanks for pointing out that the Government with the help of 1,2,3,4 independents, or the Liberals, and/or the greens can pass any legislation it wants...very helpful.just a shame that somehow you don't seem to want to face the reality that on its own the Government can do NOTHING.
(I will use big fonts to help you get the idea)
So just like in 2001 the Government of the day NEEDS the support of another party to get ANY legislation thru, in 2001 the Coalation Govt passed the PACIFIC SOLUTION LEGISLATION with the help of the OPPOSITION LABOR PARTY.
And now (AS HAS BEEN THE CASE FOR CLOSE TO 2 DECADES) the Govt of the day needs the help of the OPPOSITION Liberal Party to get appropriate legislation thru.
Just let me know if you need any further assistance with understanding Aust politics 101.
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LOL no the opposition wants to send them back to Indonesia...cos that's so much better than Malaysia ...right.Nobody wants to send women and children to Malaysia, nobody except Gillard.
I'm going to try and chase down So_Cynical's blinkered argument and fabricated outrage at the Coalition one more time.
I actually thought I did it here (read that and the following dozen or so posts):
https://www.aussiestockforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16184&page=93&p=700379#post700379
SC went silent at that time, so I thought the links to the High Court judgment on the Malaysia Solution case did the job.
But here we are again. Let's not construct any excuse for this Rudd/Gillard stewardship of Labor with any minority Government excuse.
Re-opening Nauru would be an act of Executive Government, undertaken from the Prime Ministerial offices at the back of Parliament House, not in the legislative chamber.
It's that simple. This is especially so now that they've signed the Refugees Convention since it was dismantled by a proud Senator Chris Evans (do I need to re-link that speech?).
We would get a clean, Australian-run offshore processing site. But the collective loss of pride for the ALP and for the mule-stubborn Gillard would be unbearable. So she sticks with the inhumane Malaysia solution and blames the impasse while people die.
Now, SC's indoctrination is likely to come up with the line "But it didn't work, they all ended back here anyway". But the 30% who were refused actually went home. You won't find 30 people who came on a boat who have been sent home in the last 4 years.
There's no convincing some people. So be it.
Afghanistan, where the U.S. has been at war for more than a decade, continues to be the top producer of refugees with 2.7 million. The UNHCR estimates that one out of four refugees originate from Afghanistan. About 95% of them reside in neighboring Pakistan and Iran.
Iraq, where the United States pulled out the last of its troops at the end of last year after an eight-year war, produced the second largest refugee population with 1.4 million.
These rich refugees thay you fear so much wouldnt be here if Abbot hadnt blocked the Malaysia solution.
Maybe you people need to start petitioning for Australias withdrawl from the refugee convention ?
I dont really like Labor muh at the moment myself , but this issue is just politics , refugees are the pawns.
You must also cringe that those who buy their way here from Pakistan, Iran and Sri Lanka take the places of real refugees.
If you are of sterner stuff, you must rage at this waste of billions of dollars. You must fume at being exploited by fake refugees such as people smuggler Captain Emad.
Seems to be some denial as to how many of our refugees were caused by War misadventures?
http://leanforward.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/06/18/12279878-refugee-crisis-escalates-afghanistan-remains-top-source?lite
And how would the Malaysia solution be playing out, given it was only for 800 and we now have thousands?These rich refugees thay you fear so much wouldnt be here if Abbot hadnt blocked the Malaysia solution.
And how would the Malaysia solution be playing out, given it was only for 800 and we now have thousands?
That was one of the silliest things about it.
Yrs, at the very least, it needed to be open ended and on equal terms.Yes, this was mentioned on the Bolt Report this morning. As Amanda Vanstone pointed out, the Malaysion "solution" ends with the first 800 of our arrivals. She suggested that any smart smuggler would get the first 800 out of the way (even pay for them) and then it's back to smuggling the wealthy ones again.
''The first point I make is that what's needed here is not more bipartisanship, but effective policies,'' he said in Melbourne.
''What's needed here is not compromise for compromise sake, but policies that work.
''It is not the opposition's policies that have failed here, it's the government's policies that have failed here.
''This is a government which inherited a border protection solution and unfortunately it changed policies and we all see the result.''
''It's the government's policies that aren't working and it's the government that needs to change its policies.''
Asked whether there was room for compromise on the so-called Malaysia solution, he replied, ''I think it's up to the government to say what it's going to do differently. Plainly, the Malaysian people swap is not offshore processing, it's offshore dumping.
''There have been thousands of boat people arrive illegally since this position was first announced and this position is limited to 800 people, so plainly it's simply inadequate as a response to the scale of the problem that has been created.
''The only way to sort this out is to change the policies that just aren't working. The only way to fix this problem is for the government to do things differently. That's the only way to fix this problem.
''It is not the job of the opposition to support bad legislation from a failing government. It's not our job to support legislation that we don't believe in; in fact, legislation that we think is wrong, wrong in principle and wrong in practice.''
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