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Garpal Gumnut · 23 June 2012

So_Cynical,

You are so blinded by ideology that you just don't get it.

Probably never will.

Count the boats.

Count the deaths.

gg

drsmith · 23 June 2012

Count the fact that Labor would rather see people die than admit to failure.

That's the difference between Labor and the Coalition on this. The Coalition in office at least solved the problem.

This has reached the stage where Julia Gillard should be on her knees to Tony Abbott begging for the Coalition's policies.

So_Cynical · 23 June 2012

Garpal Gumnut said:
So_Cynical,

You are so blinded by ideology that you just don't get it.

Probably never will.

Count the boats.

Count the deaths.

gg

Your blind GG...If Tony really wants to stop the Boats, if that's so all important , then he will pass the legislation.

It really is that simple.

Except for the fact that the hard right of the Coalition will roll him if he does so....politics can be such a grubby game.

drsmith said:
That's the difference between Labor and the Coalition on this. The Coalition in office at least solved the problem.

Hello....com on lets keep this real,The Coalition in office controlled the Senate and house of reps, and passed the PS legislation with Labor support at the time....so much for quid pro quo hey.

drsmith · 23 June 2012

So_Cynical said:
Hello....com on lets keep this real,The Coalition in office controlled the Senate and house of reps.

Good heavens SC.

Who's in control of both houses at the moment ?

That's right, it's Labor and its partners in government including the Greens.

However simple you regard it is for the Coalition, it's even simpler for the Greens.

So_Cynical · 23 June 2012

drsmith said:
Good heavens SC.

Who's in control of both houses at the moment ?

That's right, it's Labor and it's partners in government including the Greens.

However simple you regard it is for the Coalition, it's even simpler for the Greens.

Dude seriuosly

You do understand the whole "minority government" thing hey and you do understand that Labor's legislation is a quasi Pacific solution, allowing the Coalition to do as it pleases when in power so effectively the coalition is opposing a return to their own policy, refusing to endorse Coalition policy.

You do "get" all that?

Garpal Gumnut · 23 June 2012

ALP are only concerned with Power and keeping it.

None of the present frontbench have ever been engaged in work.

They have been engaged in power and keeping power.

And the poor bloody boat people are collateral damage.

gg

Calliope · 23 June 2012

drsmith said:
Good heavens SC.

Who's in control of both houses at the moment ?

That's right, it's Labor and its partners in government including the Greens.

However simple you regard it is for the Coalition, it's even simpler for the Greens.

I think that IF and SC for all their rhetoric actually support the Green's position, which is that all these boat deaths will force Gillard to switch to mainland processing.

So_Cynical · 23 June 2012

drsmith said:
Good heavens SC.

Who's in control of both houses at the moment ?

Lets just focus on this piece on total nonsense for the moment.

On second thoughts lets not....as its a kin to arguing against the fact that day follows night.

dutchie · 23 June 2012

So_Cynical said:
If and thats a very big IF, Abbott really wants to stop the boats he can...but he wont support Labors legislation so he's lying when he says he wants to stop the boats, The ugly truth is 1 vote Tony can stop the boats and the Afghan kiddies drowning but simply refuses to do so, preferring to gain the tiny political advantage that he needs to keep his job.

OK So_Cynical I'll spell it out real slowly for you.....

At......the.......moment.......Labor........forms........the........Government.

Labor....in......coalition........with.....the.......Greens.......and......the.......Independents.........have.......the.....
numbers.......to......pass......ANY......Legislation.......they.......want.....to!

Completely.....independent........of.......the........Liberals......who.......are......in......Opposition

Definition.... of ......Opposition -----> Not.... in......government,.....does......not......make....the.....rules,...cannot.....legislate,....does......not....have.....to.....fix......self......inflicted.......government .....problems,....etc...etc

Hope that helps.

Garpal Gumnut · 23 June 2012

dutchie said:
OK So_Cynical I'll spell it out real slowly for you.....

At......the.......moment.......Labor........forms........the........Government.

Labor....in......coalition........with.....the.......Greens.......and......the.......Independents.........have.......the.....
numbers.......to......pass......ANY......Legislation.......they.......want.....to!

Completely.....independent........of.......the........Liberals......who.......are......in......Opposition

Definition.... of ......Opposition -----> Not.... in......government,.....does......not......make....the.....rules,...cannot.....legislate,....does......not....have.....to.....fix......self......inflicted.......government .....problems,....etc...etc

Hope that helps.

+1

gg

drsmith · 23 June 2012

So_Cynical said:
Lets just focus on this piece on total nonsense for the moment.

On second thoughts lets not....as its a kin to arguing against the fact that day follows night.

I know why you don't want to. It's a truth that cannot be denied.

Don't worry SC, day will follow night. It's just very, very long dark night under Labor.

Calliope said:
I think that IF and SC for all their rhetoric actually support the Green's position, which is that all these boat deaths will force Gillard to switch to mainland processing.

You might be right.

On this, the Greens seem to be above criticism in their eyes.

noco · 23 June 2012

dutchie said:
OK So_Cynical I'll spell it out real slowly for you.....

At......the.......moment.......Labor........forms........the........Government.

Labor....in......coalition........with.....the.......Greens.......and......the.......Independents.........have.......the.....
numbers.......to......pass......ANY......Legislation.......they.......want.....to!

Completely.....independent........of.......the........Liberals......who.......are......in......Opposition

Definition.... of ......Opposition -----> Not.... in......government,.....does......not......make....the.....rules,...cannot.....legislate,....does......not....have.....to.....fix......self......inflicted.......government .....problems,....etc...etc

Hope that helps.

If they don't, we will all have to say....................DUMB...................and....................DUMBER.

So_Cynical · 23 June 2012

dutchie said:
OK So_Cynical I'll spell it out real slowly for you.....

At......the.......moment.......Labor........forms........the........Government.

Labor....in......coalition........with.....the.......Greens.......and......the.......Independents.........have.......the.....
numbers.......to......pass......ANY......Legislation.......they.......want.....to!

Completely.....independent........of.......the........Liberals......who.......are......in......Opposition

Definition.... of ......Opposition -----> Not.... in......government,.....does......not......make....the.....rules,...cannot.....legislate,....does......not....have.....to.....fix......self......inflicted.......government .....problems,....etc...etc

Hope that helps.

LOL thanks for that, thanks for pointing out that the Government with the help of 1,2,3,4 independents, or the Liberals, and/or the greens can pass any legislation it wants...very helpful. just a shame that somehow you don't seem to want to face the reality that on its own the Government can do NOTHING.

(I will use big fonts to help you get the idea)

So just like in 2001 the Government of the day NEEDS the support of another party to get ANY legislation thru, in 2001 the Coalation Govt passed the PACIFIC SOLUTION LEGISLATION with the help of the OPPOSITION LABOR PARTY.

And now (AS HAS BEEN THE CASE FOR CLOSE TO 2 DECADES) the Govt of the day needs the help of the OPPOSITION Liberal Party to get appropriate legislation thru.

Just let me know if you need any further assistance with understanding Aust politics 101.

dutchie · 23 June 2012

So_Cynical said:
LOL thanks for that, thanks for pointing out that the Government with the help of 1,2,3,4 independents, or the Liberals, and/or the greens can pass any legislation it wants...very helpful. just a shame that somehow you don't seem to want to face the reality that on its own the Government can do NOTHING.

(I will use big fonts to help you get the idea)

So just like in 2001 the Government of the day NEEDS the support of another party to get ANY legislation thru, in 2001 the Coalation Govt passed the PACIFIC SOLUTION LEGISLATION with the help of the OPPOSITION LABOR PARTY.

And now (AS HAS BEEN THE CASE FOR CLOSE TO 2 DECADES) the Govt of the day needs the help of the OPPOSITION Liberal Party to get appropriate legislation thru.

Just let me know if you need any further assistance with understanding Aust politics 101.

Obviously.............................................I.............................................did.....................................................not..........................................speak..............................................slowly..................................................enough.....................................................sigh

sptrawler · 23 June 2012

So_Cynical said:
LOL thanks for that, thanks for pointing out that the Government with the help of 1,2,3,4 independents, or the Liberals, and/or the greens can pass any legislation it wants...very helpful. just a shame that somehow you don't seem to want to face the reality that on its own the Government can do NOTHING.

(I will use big fonts to help you get the idea)

That's where your whole argument falls on its ar$e, SC, the government can fix it.
Just agree to Tony's request, it was easy enough for them to backflip and agree to the greens requests.
They are just digging a bigger and bigger hole.

They keep saying this won't work and that won't work, well if that is so, they shouldn't have a problem implementing it and proving Tony wrong. Easy really.

drsmith · 23 June 2012

So_Cynical said:
LOL thanks for that, thanks for pointing out that the Government with the help of 1,2,3,4 independents, or the Liberals, and/or the greens can pass any legislation it wants...very helpful. just a shame that somehow you don't seem to want to face the reality that on its own the Government can do NOTHING.

(I will use big fonts to help you get the idea)

So just like in 2001 the Government of the day NEEDS the support of another party to get ANY legislation thru, in 2001 the Coalation Govt passed the PACIFIC SOLUTION LEGISLATION with the help of the OPPOSITION LABOR PARTY.

And now (AS HAS BEEN THE CASE FOR CLOSE TO 2 DECADES) the Govt of the day needs the help of the OPPOSITION Liberal Party to get appropriate legislation thru.

Not in the Reps.

If Labor can't get its legislation through the the House of Reps, it can't govern. If it can't govern, it should relinquish office.

Even after all their noise, Labor has not even put its offshore processing legislation to the Reps. That's how serious they are.

sptrawler · 23 June 2012

So_Cynical said:
So just like in 2001 the Government of the day NEEDS the support of another party to get ANY legislation thru, in 2001 the Coalation Govt passed the PACIFIC SOLUTION LEGISLATION with the help of the OPPOSITION LABOR PARTY.

So It shouldn't be too difficult to reinstate the Pacific Solution, if as you say, they supported it when it was introduced.

You seem to be putting forward all the reasons why the goon show should agree with Tony?

Maybe they are under the misconception, that agreeing with Tony would cause more damage, than doing nothing and pretending it is Tony's problem. They are truly delusional, it just reflects on their inability to govern, they really are in big trouble.

MrBurns · 23 June 2012

Nobody wants to send women and children to Malaysia, nobody except Gillard.

By her manipulating, politicking and arrogance she has, to put it plainly, killed another 100 people.

Macquack · 23 June 2012

MrBurns said:
Nobody wants to send women and children to Malaysia, nobody except Gillard.

By her manipulating, politicking and arrogance she has, to put it plainly, killed another 100 people.

Get off you high horse Burns.

As much as it is a tragedy, those people chose to board a rusty vessel and take their chances on the high seas.

MrBurns · 23 June 2012

Macquack said:
Get off you high horse Burns.

As much as it is a tradedy, those people chose to board a rusty vessel and take their chances on the high seas.

They didnt do it under Howards policies and they probably wouldn't have done it if that policy continued.

Gillard is a cold blooded professional user of people, to hear her pretend to be concerned in her news broadcast made me sick.

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