Asylum immigrants - Green Light

[luutzu]

Sorry, I have to disagree there.

There are places in the UK that want Sharia Law introduced so they can punish people for so called religious crimes.

That's the way they enforce their will because they know that unless they do people will drift away from Islam just as they are drifting away from Christianity.

All religious people want their religion "pure" and isolated or dominant. Doesn't mean it will happen.

That's what a secular democracy is about.

I've heard news when that Sharia Law or certain part of the UK are Sharia enforced areas... it was debunked. And you're not going to find much support from people for that kind of crap anyway.

So while there will be/are cases of really religious refugees who were brought up and want to keep going their harsh religious practices on other people... they will either have to stop that or be forced to stop that kind of violence by the law.

Our parents used to beat us up as punishment. That's what parents do in the old country. They soon stop after we got here - and that's a good thing, we all thought

I now use this "naughty corner" as punishment. Man, tell that to my parents and they'll laugh. But yea, being progressive and spoiling the kids is part of living with infidels

 

[drsmith]

The OSB monthly update for May shows another month with no boats.

http://newsroom.border.gov.au/chann...ers/releases/monthly-operational-update-may-3

 

[drsmith]

This could get interesting,

Indonesia: 35 Sri Lankans stranded on way to Australia

An Indonesian official confirmed Sunday that they will help an Indian-flagged vessel carrying around 35 Sri Lankans sail back into international waters after it was stranded off Sumatra island while reportedly headed to Australia.

http://aa.com.tr/en/asia-pacific/indonesia-35-sri-lankans-stranded-on-way-to-australia/588413

 

[drsmith]

This could get interesting,

http://aa.com.tr/en/asia-pacific/ind...stralia/588413

Mixed stories on the above today,

Jakarta: A boat with 44 Sri Lankans who claim to be headed for Christmas Island remains marooned in bad weather off the Indonesian province of Aceh.

Indonesian authorities have provided the Sri Lankans with food but will not let them disembark because they do not have passports or valid travel documents.

http://www.smh.com.au/world/sri-lan...her-off-indonesian-coast-20160613-gpi11n.html

An Indian-flagged vessel carrying around 35 Sri Lankans that was stranded in waters off Indonesia’s Sumatra island has set sail for Australia.

An official from the Lhoknga sub-district of Aceh province said Monday that Indonesian security forces escorted the vessel with ethnic Tamil on board into international waters Sunday night, according to Indonesian news outlet kompas.com.

http://aa.com.tr/en/asia-pacific/indonesia-ushers-boat-carrying-sri-lankans-to-australia/588746

 

[drsmith]

Another twist,

A boat carrying 40 ethnic Tamils from Sri Lanka has returned to Aceh to ask for more fuel so that they can continue their journey to Australia.

The group, which includes one pregnant woman, returned to Lhoknga waters in Aceh Besar regency on Monday, after departing the previous day.

The vessel was first stranded off the coast of Aceh on Saturday morning when their boat suffered damage.

They embarked on Sunday morning after local authorities helped repair the boat’s engine, gave them food supplies and 1 ton of fuel to help them reach their destination, local authorities have said. However, they returned on Monday asking for 6 tons of fuel, as they feared 1 ton would be insufficient.

There are no details yet on whether they will continue sailing and if so when.

http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2016/06/13/tamil-asylum-seekers-return-to-aceh-for-fuel.html

 

[trainspotter]

It seems the tail is wagging the dog Doc? Misinformation everywhere.

 

[drsmith]

A further twist,

International Organisation for Migration Jakarta spokesman Paul Dillon said the IOM had been advised on Saturday that a boat had arrived in Lhoknga with foreign nationals.

'We indicated we were prepared to assist with the provision of services IOM normally provides and we are just waiting to hear back,'

The IOM has offices all around Indonesia and helps the Government to move refugees, as does the UN Refugee Agency.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...eeking-asylum-Christmas-Island-Australia.html

 

[noco]

Bill Shorten tells voters he has a united Labor Party and he controls the Labor machine but it is now very evident he has stretched the truth......He now has 50 of his members opposed to boat turn back and he has given into them......Folks you can bet the people smugglers have got their engines running already in hope Bill gets control of Government come July2

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...9/news-story/efd13f081744b0a366993d2bb2bd5c06

LABOR will grant permanent settlement to thousands of asylum seekers who arrived by boat under the Rudd/Gillard/Rudd government.

In the most significant deviation from the Coalition government’s successful border protection policy, Labor would give its legacy caseload of 30,000 asylum seekers, who arrived illegally on 800 boats, a pathway to permanent residency in Australia as part of a policy to abolish Temporary Protection Visas, The Daily Telegraph reports.

The pledge comes as the depth of internal hostility to Bill Shorten’s promise to turn back boats has been revealed, with more than 50 Labor candidates now running for election having formerly opposed the plan.

Labor has also refused to rule out making changes to the hard-line Australian Border Force, or Operation Sovereign Borders set up by the Abbott government to stop the boats.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/fed...s/news-story/e6105eb5fe345d872cbb28a9b9e5e42f

 

[noco]

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/fede...bb28a9b9e5e42f

Bill Shorten is poised to soften Australia’s border protection policies by granting permanent residency to nearly 30,000 asylum-seekers eligible who arrived by boat under the former Labor government.

The move is the most significant departure made by the Opposition Leader from the tough border protection policies introduced by the Coalition under former Prime Minister Tony Abbott with Labor set to scrap Temporary Protection Visas (TPVs).

This would see Labor providing its own legacy caseload of asylum-seekers with a clear pathway to permanent residency with Mr Shorten also holding out the prospect of making changes to Operation Sovereign Borders.

Immigration Minister Peter Dutton told The Daily Telegraphthat TPVs were a key element of any strong border protection policy and their removal would provide an incentive to people-smugglers to revive their illegal trade.

“Shorten Labor is showing all the signs of recklessness that saw 50,000 illegal maritime arrivals breach our borders under Rudd and Gillard Labor,” Mr Dutton said.

 

[drsmith]

The following paragraph in a response to a Daily Telegraph front page article shows how much Labor is struggling internally with the policies that stop the boats that Labor currently claims to support,

At worst, we’re offering permanent residency to 30,000 people on temporary protection visas. Even if that number is entirely correct it’s not a lasting solution to the problem - it’s more of an election stop gap. We cannot be more clear that we fully intend to be as brutal to refugees as we can be while still calling ourselves progressive.

Worst, as described above is pretty bad as it gives people smugglers the sugar to market their trade. Politically, it's a gift for the government.

Also interesting is the sentence in bold. It's clear from that that while now claiming to be in lock-step with the government, they see that policy mix as being brutal to refugees more than they do anything else. It further demonstrates their heart isn't in it.

http://www.sbs.com.au/comedy/articl...denies-claims-theyll-show-compassion-refugees

 

[drsmith]

A further twist,

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...eeking-asylum-Christmas-Island-Australia.html

Further on the above,

Aceh/Jakarta. Indonesia will allow 44 Australian-bound asylum seekers from Sri Lanka to temporarily disembark in Aceh Besar district, Aceh, Thursday morning (16/06) for food and boat repair after they were stranded for five days at the waters off Lhoknga coast.

Aceh provincial administration spokesman Fran Dellian said the asylum seekers were allowed to come ashore after Vice President Jusuf Kalla sent a memo on Wednesday afternoon instructing Aceh Governor Zaini Abdullah to temporarily host the asylum seekers.

In the memo, Kalla instructed the Aceh government to provide food to the 44 asylum seekers, which include a pregnant woman and nine children. The memo also said Aceh must help to repair the boat and provide fuel before they are released back to international waters.

However, none of asylum seekers are allowed to land their feet in Aceh soil, Fran said.

http://jakartaglobe.beritasatu.com/...an-asylum-seekers-temporarily-disembark-aceh/

 

[drsmith]

If Labor weren't too happy with the front page of the Daily Telegraph, how happy are they going to be with Bill Leak ?

 

[drsmith]

Further on the above,

Sri Lankan asylum seekers who became stranded in waters off Aceh more than a week ago during a failed attempt to get to Australia by boat will now have their status as refugees assessed, Indonesian authorities say. - ]

http://www.skynews.com.au/news/worl...1/asylum-seekers-off-aceh-to-be-assessed.html

I also note the boatload from Vietnam returned to country of origin.

 

[dutchie]

Labor will not turn back boats.

 

[noco]

Labor will not turn back boats.

With 50 Labor MPs and all the Greens going against Bill Shorten, I would say poor old barnacle Bill has lost control of our borders and the Labor Party......How can he say he has a united party when they fighting among themselves?

Another lie by Bill.....This man lies so much it is a wonder he can lay straight in bed.

 

[orr]

No Boasts this month?

As 'Who $hit in my pants' Dutton scrabbles for excuses and Morisson implores to the public the 'Nuremberg defence',' I was only following Abbott's orders...'
And Oh no, the holy of holy's ... 'The Australian', Those with access could you please post up the article that describes our detention gulags as the equivalent to the medievil practice of 'heads on pikes'.

Only if you can spare the time off polishing your statue of Jack van Tongeren doc.

there's just a bit of free speech

 

[drsmith]

The Malaysia solution as proposed by Labor at the time was a bad deal that would not have worked and nothing that's been said in the past week changes that.

It's now recognised by both major parties that, politically at least, the frontline defence is to turn boats back and it's this that has been central to the continuing success in preventing arrivals by boat as revealed by the latest monthly update released on Friday for July.

http://newsroom.border.gov.au/chann...ation-sovereign-borders-monthly-update-july-2

 

[noco]

No Boasts this month?

As 'Who $hit in my pants' Dutton scrabbles for excuses and Morisson implores to the public the 'Nuremberg defence',' I was only following Abbott's orders...'
And Oh no, the holy of holy's ... 'The Australian', Those with access could you please post up the article that describes our detention gulags as the equivalent to the medievil practice of 'heads on pikes'.

Only if you can spare the time off polishing your statue of Jack van Tongeren doc.

there's just a bit of free speech

You cannot deny the fact that boat people held in detention are well feed, clothed, get good medication and the kids are getting the necessary education...Compare that with the millions in UN refugee camps who are denied all the goodies they get on Nauru......What is the UN and Human Rights doing about these people in ME?.....They are sure having their 2 pence worth in criticizing Australia.

Those held in detention have been told that will not be settled in Australia......They have the choice, either return to their home land, or settle in PNG or Cambodia....If they cannot make a choice that is their problem...If that is a deterrent to stopping more people smuggling operation so be it.....

 

[explod]

With the growing populations near to our northern borders there will come a day where no amount of defence will stop people storming across our shores.

Remember after the two world wars our governments back then created employment programs for our returning troops. I believe in these times that a conscription program should be created from our current youth on the dole. With experienced leadership on the ground we could open up huge areas across the top end of Australia. Our new conscrips could then be tasked to supervise the asylum seekers to work and develop this land so that they could in fact feed and shelter themselves. It would certainly only cost a fraction of the one million for each over the last three years that has been wasted. Run the right way, without corrupt private enterprise making a quid out of it, the north could become a permaculture paradise.

Some of the innovative self sustaining systems I have come to see among Greens members properties here at Bendigo are mind boggling.

For the protection that we do need to our north, the answer is to utilise the people and resources just waiting there for free. Instead of arguing lets start pushing objective plans for a win win.

And for those who think the Greens are sitting on the fence with no idea of solutions, think again.

 

[bellenuit]

I believe in these times that a conscription program should be created from our current youth on the dole. With experienced leadership on the ground we could open up huge areas across the top end of Australia. Our new conscrips could then be tasked to supervise the asylum seekers to work and develop this land so that they could in fact feed and shelter themselves.

There is no way in a million years that the Greens would ever accept forcing Asylum Seekers to live in a particular area of Australia. They would always demand full equal rights with every other citizen. They have already indicated that asylum seekers / refugees being forced to live in tropical countries is a form of torture.

I agree in principal with providing asylum seekers with a degree of protection should they only locate to those parts of Australia that we think need expansion and increased population. But that creates second class citizens. The left would simply not tolerate that and in any case, how could we possibly police it. Most would drift to the big cities where there are already enclaves of people with their same cultural and ethnic values.