Asylum immigrants - Green Light

[Mofra]

Wow! Sounds like you have a strong grip on the status of refugees trying to enter our country FX. I would think there are many on this forum that have great compassion for genuine refugees fleeing a lifestyle that is probably not all that flash. But I wonder what facts you have at hand that indicate they are "largely desperate, tramatized and victimized people"

I for one would like a system that truly weeds out those that are not genuine and send them back. I would rather my taxes support Australian residents in need of assistance as we clearly don't have a bottomless barrel of money to support every Mohammed, Ahmed & Karim that wants to drop in.

Again, if the economic argument is valid, why are so many of the right in favour of a Nauru solution? It's the most expensive solution there is!

 

[Mofra]

The point is Mofra, they are entering Australia illegally. These asylim seekers destroy their passports and other identification so as not to be traced back to their place of origin. WHY? Is it not possible they could be criminals fleeing their own country or even terrorist?

Evidence that "they" are doing so on porpose? What proportion?
Fact is, the majority who seek asylum in Australia are found to be genuine refugees - whether they arrive by boat or otherwise.

If anyone is actually silly enough to believe multi-million dollar terrorist organisations will send their cells into another country via dangerous boat journey rather than just fly in, cheaply, with falsified documents, I pity them.

 

[Mofra]

Well, they did at least have an entry visa which assumes some sort of checking into their background.

Really? In my experience customs officals tend to rubber stamp anyone with paperwork.

We hear this all the time, i.e. "as if there ever was a queue".
There is indeed a queue, FX, and it constitutes those refugees who apply by official channels of UNHCR and have often been waiting patiently in camps , having been approved by UNHCR, only to have their potential places supplanted by those who arrive by boat.

Immigration have candidly admitted that those waiting in the camps, already checked and approved, are being pushed back in the queue as they are forced to first process the boat arrivals.

True in part - I do believe those in camps shopudl be processed in line with or ahead of those who arrive by boat, but the current situation is borne out by governments who constantly take the most expensive option to house asylum seekers and thus force the panic-processing to reduce the burden. Even countries who have tens of thousands arrive allow community release for low-risk asylum seekers - too bad both parties have used them as too much of a political football to take the cheaper & more humane option.

So perhaps somewhat moderate your criticism of those who want to see orderly migration to this country, rather than calling them jingoistic etc.

You sure everyone wants to see "orderly migration" though? I get the distint impression that there are many who want to see zero migration and a return to old-school protectionism.

In the face of comments about FX (less than flattering) and simplistic jingoism and the "they taking over the world" paranoia being posted in this thread, it's refreshing to obtain a different point of view that challenges the "all boat people are bad" perception.

 

[donkeykong]

How do you expect people being persecuted by secret police in places like Iran to join this imaginary “queue”? And also if these are so called economic refugees then why don’t they just buy a plane ticket to oz?

Unless you bring every country in the world up to first world standards and eliminate any wars there will always be needing to apply for asylum in other countries.

There needs to be a refugee processing centres in Indonesia, Australia and other parts of SE asia close to medical and other facilities where people can safely apply for asylum then be promptly processed and sent to the various wealthier nations in the regions such as Aus, NZ, Malaysia, Singapore or back home if they aren’t genuine refugees, this would stop the bulk of these suicidal boat trips.

Although maybe the aborigines should have turned back the boats back in 1788 then we wouldn’t be having this discussion.

 

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[noco]

If anyone is actually silly enough to believe multi-million dollar terrorist organisations will send their cells into another country via dangerous boat journey rather than just fly in, cheaply, with falsified documents, I pity them.

Obviously they are smarter than Mofra. If they come by air with passport and visa, they can be identified and tracked. Come by boat without any ID and BINGO they will most likely get through.

 

[noco]

How do you expect people being persecuted by secret police in places like Iran to join this imaginary “queue”? And also if these are so called economic refugees then why don’t they just buy a plane ticket to oz?

Why do they destroy their identity when they arrive by boat?

There needs to be a refugee processing centres in Indonesia, Australia and other parts of SE asia close to medical and other facilities where people can safely apply for asylum then be promptly processed and sent to the various wealthier nations in the regions such as Aus, NZ, Malaysia, Singapore or back home if they aren’t genuine refugees, this would stop the bulk of these suicidal boat trips.

How about East Timor? Ready in three years IF THEY AGREE. Or how about Narua, it is ready to be up and running again in days? Trouble with Narua is our Joolya won't swallow her pride because it is a Coalition initiative.

Although maybe the aborigines should have turned back the boats back in 1788 then we wouldn’t be having this discussion.

What with spears and boomerangs? If the JAPS had taken over Australia, there would be no Aboriginals left.

 

[Tink]

Very refreshing to read your post FX -- Merry Christmas : )

 

[boofis]

Curious as to anyones opinion on why it's such a terrible thing for hopeful refugees to have to wait so long before being processed? If the claims are true that they are fleeing a life threatening, war ridden, terrible place that lead them to seek asylum then surely anything with three meals a day, a bed, amenities and roof over your head is a step up when you're guaranteed safety and survival? Became interested after seeing on the news a while back that 'activists' had kicked up a fuss over living conditions at one of the centres in WA. Take a trip through wilcannia and you'll see worse living conditions for the ordinary person living in rural Australia! And before I get jumped for asking questions with a redneckesque theme a. I don't drive a ute with stickers saying "F**k off we're full", aerials and mudflaps and b. I am pro people seeking asylum in a peaceful nation such as ours.

 

[startrader]

Curious as to anyones opinion on why it's such a terrible thing for hopeful refugees to have to wait so long before being processed? If the claims are true that they are fleeing a life threatening, war ridden, terrible place that lead them to seek asylum then surely anything with three meals a day, a bed, amenities and roof over your head is a step up when you're guaranteed safety and survival? Became interested after seeing on the news a while back that 'activists' had kicked up a fuss over living conditions at one of the centres in WA. Take a trip through wilcannia and you'll see worse living conditions for the ordinary person living in rural Australia! And before I get jumped for asking questions with a redneckesque theme a. I don't drive a ute with stickers saying "F**k off we're full", aerials and mudflaps and b. I am pro people seeking asylum in a peaceful nation such as ours.

Good post as far as I am concerned. It's about time a bit of common sense was brought into this debate. Common sense doesn't seem to come into the equation with anything this Government does. Just how ridiculous does this have to get before some serious action is taken to deter the people smuggling? People are afraid of saying what they think so as not to get jumped on and denigrated and called "rednecks" and way worse.

 

[FxTrader]

We hear this all the time, i.e. "as if there ever was a queue".
There is indeed a queue, FX, and it constitutes those refugees who apply by official channels of UNHCR and have often been waiting patiently in camps , having been approved by UNHCR, only to have their potential places supplanted by those who arrive by boat.

Immigration have candidly admitted that those waiting in the camps, already checked and approved, are being pushed back in the queue as they are forced to first process the boat arrivals.

So perhaps somewhat moderate your criticism of those who want to see orderly migration to this country, rather than calling them jingoistic etc.

How disappointing to see you acquiescing to the xenophobia, jingosim, vilification and thinly veiled hatred of other human beings desperate for a better life for themselves and their children as vomited up by noco here. Especially given the time of year it is.

Noco's rant belongs on a white supremist website, not on a forum like this. That anyone here gives any credence to the essence what he has said is disgraceful.

You're dreaming if you think there can ever be a situation where every desperate person will queue up in an orderly fashion, while living in abysmal conditions, in hope that they will qualify for legal immigration. The problem with illegal migration here pales in comparison with many other countries such as in Europe and America. In the U.S. alone, hundreds, perhaps even thousands of "illegals" (better to dehumanize them with such a tag) cross the Mexican border each day! Now that's a problem.

We have the capactity a means to deal with the "boats" without resorting to the expensive offshore prison camp approach. What's needed are ideas, creative thinking and problem solving to develop a comprehensive strategy that does not pander to the emotive fearmongering of would be demagogs like noco while treating people humanely.

Merry Christmas.

 

[Calliope]

These people have shown the sort of individual skills and endeavour that Australia could well use.

MOST of us wriggle out of the womb to become Australian.

Others complete forms and pack their bags and settle in Australia under skilled migration or family reunion programs. Some will come to Australia having convinced immigration authorities that they have the readies and plenty of them.

As we were reminded last week, a small number will risk their lives in dangerous attempts to become Australian.

I’ve canvassed this issue many times and I remain firmly of the view that those who undertake such a perilous journey to come to this country are precisely the type of people this country needs.

http://blogs.theaustralian.news.com...nts/time_for_gillard_to_stand_up_on_refugees/

 

[startrader]

These people have shown the sort of individual skills and endeavour that Australia could well use.



http://blogs.theaustralian.news.com...nts/time_for_gillard_to_stand_up_on_refugees/

Is that guy who wrote the blog deranged or something? He says "there is no policy that will stop the boats". Hmmm, that has been proven to be a very incorrect statement.

This is thread is called "Asylum immigrants - Green Light" and the fact of the matter is that they have been given the green light.

 

[noco]

How disappointing to see you acquiescing to the xenophobia, jingosim, vilification and thinly veiled hatred of other human beings desperate for a better life for themselves and their children as vomited up by noco here. Especially given the time of year it is.

Noco's rant belongs on a white supremist website, not on a forum like this. That anyone here gives any credence to the essence what he has said is disgraceful.

You're dreaming if you think there can ever be a situation where every desperate person will queue up in an orderly fashion, while living in abysmal conditions, in hope that they will qualify for legal immigration. The problem with illegal migration here pales in comparison with many other countries such as in Europe and America. In the U.S. alone, hundreds, perhaps even thousands of "illegals" (better to dehumanize them with such a tag) cross the Mexican border each day! Now that's a problem.

We have the capactity a means to deal with the "boats" without resorting to the expensive offshore prison camp approach. What's needed are ideas, creative thinking and problem solving to develop a comprehensive strategy that does not pander to the emotive fearmongering of would be demagogs like noco while treating people humanely.

Merry Christmas.

FX, what a load oF CODSWADDLE YOU SPEAK.

These illegal 'scum bags' spend $10,000 to come by boat, cost the taxpayer $80,000 per head per year to live the life of 'RILEY' in 3 and 4 star accommodation and complain if the food is not right or the air-conditioner is not working. They protest and riot if their proceesing is too slow.They could come to Australia by air at a quarter of the cost but of course they have to have ID'S (passports and visas) and find their own accomodation.

We have homeless people in Australia who receive not even 10% of what it costs to keep these queue jumpers. We have 3 and 4 families living in one house on Palm Is. Aboriginal settlement because both the state or federal Labor governments have neglected them.

We have aged pensioners struggling to make ends meet with increased cost of power, water and rates. Many do not enjoy three wholesome meals a day like these llegal asylum seekers.

And and our beloved Joolya and the 'goose' could not care less. They can waste $billions of dollars on 'harebrain' schemes' like pink bats, BER, NBN,Green scheme money spent at Cancun and the generous donation of $599 million on "climate change, but they can't find enough funds to help the poor Australians. Don't forget, CHARITY BEGIND AT HOME. Bugger the asylum seekers.

 

[FxTrader]

These illegal 'scum bags' spend $10,000 to come by boat, cost the taxpayer $80,000 per head per year to live the life of 'RILEY' in 3 and 4 star accommodation and complain if the food is not right or the air-conditioner is not working.

I presume that, in the foul, depraved excrement you call your mind, the babies that just died at Christmas Island were also "scum bags". Your idiotic claim that detention centers are "3 and 4 star accomodation" merits no response.

We have homeless people in Australia who receive not even 10% of what it costs to keep these queue jumpers. We have 3 and 4 families living in one house on Palm Is. Aboriginal settlement because both the state or federal Labor governments have neglected them.

We have aged pensioners struggling to make ends meet with increased cost of power, water and rates. Many do not enjoy three wholesome meals a day like these llegal asylum seekers.

So by pointing out that we have social problems in Australia, and pretending to care about the dilemmas of the disadvantaged (Australian only), you hope to cast yourself as a patriotic Australian by denigrating and vilifying asylum seekers with your stereotyping and paranoid xenophobia. Sorry but no amount of such obfuscation and misdirection will mask your white supremist ideology and Aussie pride jingoism. Yours is simply a message of hate and intolerance.

And and our beloved Joolya and the 'goose' could not care less. They can waste $billions of dollars on 'harebrain' schemes' like pink bats, BER, NBN,Green scheme money spent at Cancun and the generous donation of $599 million on "climate change, but they can't find enough funds to help the poor Australians. Don't forget, CHARITY BEGIND AT HOME. Bugger the asylum seekers.

More misdirection and off topic blather. You have no solution for the "boats" other than incarceration, intolerance and inhumane treatment in hope that this will discourage the desperate. It's reassuring to know that your twisted and narrow view of charity is not government policy.

 

[Julia]

How disappointing to see you acquiescing to the xenophobia, jingosim, vilification and thinly veiled hatred of other human beings desperate for a better life for themselves and their children as vomited up by noco here. Especially given the time of year it is.

Noco's rant belongs on a white supremist website, not on a forum like this. That anyone here gives any credence to the essence what he has said is disgraceful.

You're dreaming if you think there can ever be a situation where every desperate person will queue up in an orderly fashion, while living in abysmal conditions, in hope that they will qualify for legal immigration. The problem with illegal migration here pales in comparison with many other countries such as in Europe and America. In the U.S. alone, hundreds, perhaps even thousands of "illegals" (better to dehumanize them with such a tag) cross the Mexican border each day! Now that's a problem.

We have the capactity a means to deal with the "boats" without resorting to the expensive offshore prison camp approach. What's needed are ideas, creative thinking and problem solving to develop a comprehensive strategy that does not pander to the emotive fearmongering of would be demagogs like noco while treating people humanely.

Merry Christmas.

And merry Christmas to you too, Fx. I have had a lot of respect for your posts prior to this. You've contributed a lot in your short residence at ASF.

So I was disappointed to see you succumbing to the ultra left rhetoric and finding it necessary to issue unpleasant personal insults toward those who disagree with you.

As I said before, I believe we should be able to have this discussion without anyone stooping to personal assaults and unnecessary labels.
These usually say more about the person doing the insulting than their target.

 

[noco]

And merry Christmas to you too, Fx. I have had a lot of respect for your posts prior to this. You've contributed a lot in your short residence at ASF.

So I was disappointed to see you succumbing to the ultra left rhetoric and finding it necessary to issue unpleasant personal insults toward those who disagree with you.

As I said before, I believe we should be able to have this discussion without anyone stooping to personal assaults and unnecessary labels.
These usually say more about the person doing the insulting than their target.

And so say all of us. Thank you Julia.

 

[noco]

I presume that, in the foul, depraved excrement you call your mind, the babies that just died at Christmas Island were also "scum bags". Your idiotic claim that detention centers are "3 and 4 star accomodation" merits no response.


So by pointing out that we have social problems in Australia, and pretending to care about the dilemmas of the disadvantaged (Australian only), you hope to cast yourself as a patriotic Australian by denigrating and vilifying asylum seekers with your stereotyping and paranoid xenophobia. Sorry but no amount of such obfuscation and misdirection will mask your white supremist ideology and Aussie pride jingoism. Yours is simply a message of hate and intolerance.


More misdirection and off topic blather. You have no solution for the "boats" other than incarceration, intolerance and inhumane treatment in hope that this will discourage the desperate. It's reassuring to know that your twisted and narrow view of charity is not government policy.

FX, don't talk crap that I have a hatred for other human beings. I brought a lady from a very poor country nearly 30 years ago to give her a better way of life from the misery she experienced. Over those years I have sponsered her two sisters and a brother who are also enjoying a better life than they had. It cost me, not the Government, plenty and I have no regrets.

John Howard had the solution and reduced the people smuggling boats to three per year and now we have, thanks to the stupid policy of Rudd and Gillard, THREE PER WEEK.

 

[Calliope]

As I said before, I believe we should be able to have this discussion without anyone stooping to personal assaults and unnecessary labels.
These usually say more about the person doing the insulting than their target.

Yes, Fx is exhibiting a lot of pent-up rage and hatred. He is not a happy little camper.

 

[GumbyLearner]

FX, don't talk crap that I have a hatred for other human beings. I brought a lady from a very poor country nearly 30 years ago to give her a better way of life from the misery she experienced. Over those years I have sponsered her two sisters and a brother who are also enjoying a better life than they had. It cost me, not the Government, plenty and I have no regrets.

It is great to hear stories like this noco. My Dad helped out a teenager in a similar situation about 30 years ago. A military dictator's goons had killed most of his family and had threatened to kill him as well. Dad sponsored him and helped him to stay in Australia. He ended up going to Uni, getting honours in his undergrad and finishing his MBA. He is now successfully self-employed and a fantastic survivor. The kind of stories you don't hear much about these days.