Asylum immigrants - Green Light

[noco]

Rather interesting how the number of unauthorised arrivals by plane continues to be high,

By boat : 2014 =160 people, 2015 = 4 people
By plane : 2014 - 3121 people

How can they be unauthorized when arriving by plane?

In contrast to boat people who throw their ID's overboard so they cannot be identified to people landing legally by plane who must have passports and visas.

If they arrive by plane on work or study visas they are normally sponsored and there is some method of tracking them down.

3121 by plane in 2014 is peanuts in comparison to those who arrived illegally by boat 2008/2013 under the Green/Labor socialist left wing party....50,000 in 5 years....1250 men, women and children drowned at sea.

If they come on visitors or tourist visas and over stay their visa period they will eventually be caught as they have to find work to live...They cannot claim social security like the illegal boat people...You do not say how many out of the 3121 actually have over stayed...What % do you ascertain actually overstayed?

So I do not agree with your argument

 

[orr]

If you have ever desired to see Europe as a tourist for all it's charm of castles, churches , old buildings, culture, food etc. - go now.

Europe is being invaded and the current residents don't seem to care.

Europe is lost and will never be the same.

All the crap of the Middle East and North Africa is being exported to Europe.

RIP Europe.

Channeling Dutchie??? .......Penned by Dr Goebbels 1933.... (People say that when you evoke comparisons with the Nazi's you've lost the argument, well);
This following excerpt is direct lift from the full attached Goebbels speech

'These events reveal the racial problem in all its difficulty. It will not fade away until Europe’s peoples solve it. It will be solved when the people for their own good do what is necessary for their security.'

http://research.calvin.edu/german-propaganda-archive/goeb41.htm

When you are aware of your history you know where the real dangers lie.

The fact that Martin Luther, a German, kicked off the Reformation that re-orientated Christianity and today Germany takes in the untidy effects of the dying throws of unreconstructed Islam, indicates to me that the Germans see the possibilities of addressing issues. Whereas the Abbott governments anti intellectual, fear mungering and only response is to drop bombs on it.

 

[DB008]

This is turning into joke isn't it?

Crazy

Bavarian Schoolgirls Asked To 'Dress Modestly' Due To Syrian Refugees nearby​

A Bavarian school has dashed a letter off to parents, warning them that their daughters should dress "modestly" instead of revealing skin, as a refugee camp had been set up near the school, according to rt.

Moreover, modest dressing is better, he said. "The Syrian citizens are mainly Muslims and speak Arabic. The refugees are marked by their own culture. Because our school is directly next to where they are staying, modest clothing should be adhered to. Revealing tops or blouses, shorts or miniskirts could lead to misunderstandings," Thalhammer added.

http://www.newseveryday.com/articles/20469/20150629/bavarian-schoolgirls-asked-dress-modestly-due-syrian-refugees-nearby.htm​

 

[qldfrog]

When you are aware of your history you know where the real dangers lie.

And when you live in history, you keep fighting past wars while being unaware of the new real dangers
see US vs russia while being F.up in the grand way by China,
or the west still supporting"freedom fighters" against Assad as they did in Libya, and fighting extreme rights: bad anzis..ehh why not use a Gobbel quote?
Quite symptomatic/ironic and the reason why the west is done considering the current media propaganda assault of the bleeding hearts.

 

[orr]

And when you live in history, you keep fighting past wars while being unaware of the new real dangers
see US vs russia while being F.up in the grand way by China,
or the west still supporting"freedom fighters" against Assad as they did in Libya, and fighting extreme rights: bad anzis..ehh why not use a Gobbel quote?
Quite symptomatic/ironic and the reason why the west is done considering the current media propaganda assault of the bleeding hearts.

If someone wishes to para phrase Gobbels who am I to argue, don't shoot the messenger. The broader aspects of geo political power balances raised may have to wait till you nuance them a little more articulately.
For those interested in the 'current media propaganda assault of the bleeding hearts' . A few cold hard sats.

http://www.vox.com/2015/9/5/9265621/syrian-refugee-charts

And Frog are you the type of guy who would have revisited the 'Treaty of Versailles' at the end of WW2 as opposed to the Marshall Plan, because of an abject failure to understand the lessons of history? Sort of like going int Afghanistan and not knowing about General Elfinstone's withdrawal From Kabul... we've sort of re-lived that one too.

So in the words of Air Vice Marshall Cpt WrongWay ClownShoes ' Bombs Away'... hope that makes you 'feel safer' frog.

 

[trainspotter]

Channeling Dutchie??? .......Penned by Dr Goebbels 1933.... (People say that when you evoke comparisons with the Nazi's you've lost the argument, well);
This following excerpt is direct lift from the full attached Goebbels speech

'These events reveal the racial problem in all its difficulty. It will not fade away until Europe’s peoples solve it. It will be solved when the people for their own good do what is necessary for their security.'

http://research.calvin.edu/german-propaganda-archive/goeb41.htm

When you are aware of your history you know where the real dangers lie.

The fact that Martin Luther, a German, kicked off the Reformation that re-orientated Christianity and today Germany takes in the untidy effects of the dying throws of unreconstructed Islam, indicates to me that the Germans see the possibilities of addressing issues. Whereas the Abbott governments anti intellectual, fear mungering and only response is to drop bombs on it.

Syria is NOT Goebbels mandate ...

Lord Carey said: “I do not consider it enough to send aid to refugee camps in the Middle East.

“Rather, there must be renewed military and diplomatic efforts to crush the twin menaces of Islamic State and al-Qaeda once and for all.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...o-pressure-on-cameron-with-call-to-crush-isis

Goebbels was not humanitarian.

Germany had no choice on the immigrants. They are wealthy. They drive the EU. It is political. They refused to take them and now they have backflipped. Get some perspective orr.

Don't allay Abbott with world politics. Russia is building up Syria http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34166623

US Secretary of State John Kerry has expressed concern to Moscow over reports of Russian military build-up in Syria, the state department says.
US media reports said Russia has sent advisers and hardware to Syria, in what Washington fears is an expansion of its support for President Bashar al-Assad.
Any such development would "escalate the conflict", Mr Kerry told his Russian counterpart Sergei Lavrov.
Russia has been a key ally of Syria throughout its four-year civil war.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34166623

We have the ANZUS treaty for a reason mate!

 

[trainspotter]

If someone wishes to para phrase Gobbels who am I to argue, don't shoot the messenger. The broader aspects of geo political power balances raised may have to wait till you nuance them a little more articulately.
For those interested in the 'current media propaganda assault of the bleeding hearts' . A few cold hard sats.

http://www.vox.com/2015/9/5/9265621/syrian-refugee-charts

And Frog are you the type of guy who would have revisited the 'Treaty of Versailles' at the end of WW2 as opposed to the Marshall Plan, because of an abject failure to understand the lessons of history? Sort of like going int Afghanistan and not knowing about General Elfinstone's withdrawal From Kabul... we've sort of re-lived that one too.

So in the words of Air Vice Marshall Cpt WrongWay ClownShoes ' Bombs Away'... hope that makes you 'feel safer' frog.

Soviet - Afghan War ring a bell ?? Anyone ... anyone

The Soviet–Afghan War lasted over nine years from December 1979 to February 1989. Insurgent groups ("the Mujahideen") who received substantial aid from the United States and several Muslim countries, fought against the Soviet Army and allied Afghan forces. Between 850,000–1.5 million civilians were killed[24][25] and millions of Afghans fled the country as refugees, mostly to Pakistan and Iran.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet–Afghan_War

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...m-syria-tony-abbott-says-20150906-gjg6ud.html

Australia will take more refugees from Syria in response to the growing international crisis, but will not increase the total number of asylum seekers it accepts, Prime Minister Tony Abbott announced on Sunday.
His comments came as Austria and Germany threw open their borders to thousands of exhausted migrants from the east, and Hungary warned that the number could grow to millions.

Putin pushing Islamists at it's finest

 

[Tisme]

How can they be unauthorized when arriving by plane?

In contrast to boat people who throw their ID's overboard so they cannot be identified to people landing legally by plane who must have passports and visas.

If they arrive by plane on work or study visas they are normally sponsored and there is some method of tracking them down.

3121 by plane in 2014 is peanuts in comparison to those who arrived illegally by boat 2008/2013 under the Green/Labor socialist left wing party....50,000 in 5 years....1250 men, women and children drowned at sea.

If they come on visitors or tourist visas and over stay their visa period they will eventually be caught as they have to find work to live...They cannot claim social security like the illegal boat people...You do not say how many out of the 3121 actually have over stayed...What % do you ascertain actually overstayed?

So I do not agree with your argument

What argument? I'm just presenting information

 

[explod]

Don't allay Abbott with world politics.!

Abbott is up to his balls in it, to bomb Syria for a start.

Germany is opening up to the refugees enmass.

Most of the boat people have been displaced by us getting rid of Saddam Hussian who held the violently different factions apart and in order. Why, oil and the petro dollar. Aphganistan the same.

Get real, Abbott belives in God, who would never refuse anyone. He may burn in hell and the polls continue to deteriorate for him. Why, the electorate has a conscience.

Our English ancestors plundered countries, cut down their forrests and destroyed communities. Now it is pay day, we have to take them in and give shelter

 

[noco]

What argument? I'm just presenting information

Your post .

Rather interesting how the number of unauthorised arrivals by plane continues to be high,

By boat : 2014 =160 people, 2015 = 4 people
By plane : 2014 - 3121 people

You clearly stated unauthorized arrivals....All plane arrivals must be authorized....They cannot enter through immigration and customs without a passport and a visa and their luggage is checked for drugs.

 

[Macquack]

Abbott is up to his balls in it, to bomb Syria for a start.

Germany is opening up to the refugees enmass.

Most of the boat people have been displaced by us getting rid of Saddam Hussian who held the violently different factions apart and in order. Why, oil and the petro dollar. Aphganistan the same.

Get real, Abbott belives in God, who would never refuse anyone. He may burn in hell and the polls continue to deteriorate for him. Why, the electorate has a conscience.

Our English ancestors plundered countries, cut down their forrests and destroyed communities. Now it is pay day, we have to take them in and give shelter

explode is on the money as usual.

I remember after the "Coalition of the Gullible" conquered Iraq, the US set their sights on Syria. Weapons of mass brainwashing at work.

Now we have a refugee crisis in Europe. Lets bomb Syria, that should fix the problem.

 

[qldfrog]

for orr, just in case he actually really want to know where these migrants come from: europe; last known figures for 2015
From left wing Le Monde:http://s2.lemde.fr/image/2015/09/04/534x0/4745954_6_6a54_eurostat_6751ea2c9a8c19a415d1bb89f2f2d22f.png
less than 20% from Syria
But why would the truth contradict a nice fairy tale;
as for my own views:
neither irak, libya or Syria would have seen so many disasters and death if we had left the dictators (yes they were) in place;
unis would be open, women could walk in the streets and babies would not be starving
so well done the arab spring!!! And I am sure as a nice kind heart, Orr you were celebrating the falls of the tyrans.
so go back to history, see what has happenned for nearly a 1000's year in europe at the turkish border and try to understand if you can that an army is not needed to invade a country;
Ask kosovars, a former bastion of the orthodox church, now a training camp for jihadist, all supported by the US and the leftist european leaders..you want to talk history and lessons..please do

 

[DB008]

The numbers

More than 4 million refugees have fled Syria since the war there began in 2011. According to the UN’s refugee agency, almost 1.8 million have gone to Turkey, more than 600,000 to Jordan and 1 million to Lebanon – a country whose population is just 4 million.

On Monday, Angela Merkel said Germany expected to take at least 800,000 asylum seekers this year. The figure is likely to go up, and could hit 1 million, Berlin says. In 2014 the European nation that accepted the largest number of refugees in proportion to its population was Sweden. Hungary, Malta, Switzerland and 13 other countries accepted more asylum applications than the UK, according to Eurostat.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/02/refugees-welcome-uk-germany-compare-migration



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[luutzu]

luutzu - more deaths at sea you want? Wow. That's a low act.

Saw this on Reddit. l'm glad that the Hungarian PM has come out and said that they don't want anymore Muslims.

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The tough love argument you and Abbott talks about is ridiculous.

It's like this: You see a burning building, residents are running out. Some could drive out, some could fly out, some got rescued and some jump the windows to get out.

Of those who jumped, some make it, some fall to their death...

Then we have you and Abbott stand safely away saying, well... they wouldn't have died if they didn't jump. Why do some leftist want to encourage people to jump out of the building like that? Why can't people follow the exit signs and orderly walk out or wait to be rescued and granted asylum?

And to add insult to injuries regarding the Syrians... we're part of the coalition of the willing who bombs the bloody place.

If a person were to start or help start a fire to a building and say the same rubbish we're hearing.. that person should be in some asylum.

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So, they have left Syria, passed through Turkey, Greece, Macedonia, Serbia and now Hungary, on their way to Germany.....refugees hey? More like welfare chasers.

I heard a couple of experts a weeks back saying that the current refugee crisis has been going on for at least a decade! All the neighbouring states in North Africa and the Middle East - those states have taken in MILLIONS of refugees. Those are poor countries to start with, they certainly do not like "welfare chasers" but they do take in millions...

Not hard to imagine that the ones reaching Europe now does so because those camps are full.

 

[luutzu]

+1
a bit like in the late 30's when nazis threat was dismissed, and no reaction was ever done;
Obamah talking to the Saudis, Putine still the devil for helping Assad, and one by one islam worst forces are claiming countries;Started with the nasty serbs against the angel kosovo invaders so not new;
But now, after the frontier states have fallen, teh attack is on the fort.

Europe should be on a war foot, not following propaganda bleeding heart manipulation;
Columns of 20/30y old males are overflowing the borders, 75% not even from Syria (please prove me wrong:
these were the figure I could find in left leaving propagandah filled "Le Monde" newspaper yesterday), you are only allowed to see a crying babies and older womens:
the boats crossing from Libya at the rate of 2000 a day are bypassed
only one common point between these invaders:
a religion who wants to see all infidels dead and will never accept european values and way of life;
3 generations of previous such migration has shown it clearly in Europe.
Well done IS your foot soldiers are succeeding;
and at no time will the european leaders ask their people wishes
RIP indeed, and thanks God for the boat policy here, Abbot screwed up absolutely everything else but at least, I might be able to share the same beach as my wife in my old age: poor, broke, but free

Who knows, maybe you'll also grow a brain in your old age too. Might not function properly then either, but at least it's there.

Seriously, re-read what you just wrote and think about it.

So the Nazis are evil because... I assume you mean because they also lump an entire race and an entire religion together and lock them in the ghettos then onto the gas chambers.... How is that different from what you're saying and proposing? Seems the only thin missing are the gas chambers.

So Islam and IS are evil, want to spread evil around the world and these refugees are their foot soldiers.. and if we let them in our great Christian civilisation will blah blah blah...

How much better is your religion if it tells you to screw all those who seeks help?

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When asked why he does not abandon the refugees that is flocking to him, seeking his protection against TsaoTsao. Why does he not send the old and the weak away but instead put his soldiers and his meager resources to feed them, thereby weakening his defense and slowing down his escape from TsaoTsao.

Liu Pei replied: "I have heard that TsaoTsao once said that he would rather betray the world than let the world betray him. I Liu Pei will not betray the world. I will do what is right and what is just. If in doing so results in my downfall, that is my problem. If doing so and the world betrays me, that's the world's problem."


There are greater men, men who actually accomplish great deeds, and does it with more compassion than your captain kangaroo. A guy who, by your account has economically bankrupt the country, he will also my world's account morally bankrupt the country's conscience too.

We are who we want to emulate.

 

[McLovin]

You clearly stated unauthorized arrivals....All plane arrivals must be authorized....They cannot enter through immigration and customs without a passport and a visa and their luggage is checked for drugs.

Unauthorised arrivals can arrive by air, sea or in the case of Moses, land. Once you pass through customs and immigration into Australia, by whatever means, you're no longer "unauthorised" (not that you were necessarily beforehand). Unauthorised arrival refers to the act of presenting yourself at a border for a purpose other than you are authorised for (eg tourist visa presents at border as asylum seeker), not crossing the border. If you cross the border without having presented yourself to a border official, you're an illegal immigrant.

I'm yet to see an illegal immigrant arrive by boat.

 

[qldfrog]

Unauthorised arrivals can arrive by air, sea or in the case of Moses, land. Once you pass through customs and immigration into Australia, by whatever means, you're no longer "unauthorised" (not that you were necessarily beforehand). Unauthorised arrival refers to the act of presenting yourself at a border for a purpose other than you are authorised for (eg tourist visa presents at border as asylum seeker), not crossing the border. If you cross the border without having presented yourself to a border official, you're an illegal immigrant.

I'm yet to see an illegal immigrant arrive by boat.

I assume you mean by plane
anyway, I will leave that thread and let people worry about poor refugees fleeing death..yes some are, numerous yes but in the 20/80 rule, that is now what is happening in europe now

While rome is burning..

 

[trainspotter]

Abbott is up to his balls in it, to bomb Syria for a start.

Germany is opening up to the refugees enmass.

Most of the boat people have been displaced by us getting rid of Saddam Hussian who held the violently different factions apart and in order. Why, oil and the petro dollar. Aphganistan the same.

Get real, Abbott belives in God, who would never refuse anyone. He may burn in hell and the polls continue to deteriorate for him. Why, the electorate has a conscience.

Our English ancestors plundered countries, cut down their forrests and destroyed communities. Now it is pay day, we have to take them in and give shelter

*GOSH* what a simplistic view you have of and on world politics. ANZUS Treaty anyone ... anyone?? But who is backing this mess?

Syrian President Bashar al-Assad's principal backers are Russia and Iran, while the United States, Britain, France, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Jordan, Qatar, and the United Arab Emirates back the armed opposition to Assad.

What are they fighting?

U.S. analysts estimate ISIS has about 31,000 fighters, while the U.S. Treasury Department puts ISIS's earnings from oil revenues and taxation at $1 billion US annually.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/syria-s-civil-war-6-things-to-know-from-this-summer-1.3216774

Germany's hand was forced. You have heard of the Dublin Rule right? Hungary does not want them !!

German Interior Ministry spokesman Harald Neymanns said Berlin's decision to open its borders to Syrians was an exceptional case for humanitarian reasons. He said Europe's so-called Dublin rules, which require people to apply for asylum in the first EU country they enter, had not been suspended.

"The Dublin rules are still valid and we expect other European Union member states to stick to them," he said.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/09/05/us-europe-migrants-hungary-idUSKCN0R40FO20150905

Boat people Saddam Hussein?? You might want to LEARN some FACTS before sprouting such NONSENSE !!!

In April 1991, after Saddam lost control of Kuwait in the Persian Gulf War, he cracked down ruthlessly against several uprisings in the Kurdish north and the Shia south. His forces committed full-scale massacres and other gross human rights violations against both groups similar to the violations mentioned before. Estimates of deaths during that time range from 20,000 to 100,000 for Kurds, and 60,000 to 130,000 for Shi'ites

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Saddam_Hussein's_Iraq

Of nearly 2 million refugees created by the 1991 crackdown on dissent, it is estimated that 1,000 died every day for a period of months due to unsanitary and inhumane conditions. Saddam CREATED the refugees of people FLEEING a murderous Dictatorship and you condone this by saying "Saddam Hussian who held the violently different factions apart and in order" No amount of sugar coating is going to let me forget this idiotic statement PLOD !!

Stop fooling yourself explod. You have an opinion that is totally distorted on BS and untruths. Post up some FACTS and not just your barstool barrister opines.

" No one alive today can be held personally accountable for that past"

 

[SirRumpole]

Will be interesting to see how Germany treat their new arrivals in the long term.

Will they give them permanent residency or "protection" visas ?

800,000 is a lot to absorb for one country, and it will likely cost them a fortune.

 

[explod]

trainspotter.

Our interference comes back to the petrodollar.

There have over the decades been meny equal tragedies of people being decimated, in particular Africa and the treaties have not given a fig. Because they have no oil or gas to exploit.

It is simple really.

for you too Champ.