Asylum immigrants - Green Light

[explod]

Jesus plod.
Did you visit a North Korean reeducation center or something.

No, re-read what was stated. Hit city traffic at 9am, try to get on a tram, look at the hundreds of square miles of housing going up over what was some of our most productive farming land. Our selfish expansionism and self interest is just so destructive.

Just for a moment think about one of your children at 2 years, now the same elements, intelligence and feelings are in those two year olds on the boats, in the camps or starving in the deserts of the middle east.

If we remain exclusive they will eventually overun our bourders, as is happening in Europe, anyway.

So is systemic birth control unreasonable against the gridlock wall we are running into.

Is wanting to share and be thoughtful of our fellows communism or fabianism.

 

[Macquack]

That plus the $11,000,000,000 that encouraged 1,200 men, women and children to their deaths.

I have said this before and will say it again, get off your soap box Smith in reference to the "deaths at sea".

You could not give a rats ar*e about asylum seekers dying at sea, you are happy to turn them around so they can perish anyway.

Stop with the crocodile tears on the "deaths at sea" when that is your subconscious wish.

 

[Macquack]

So much crapola.

At the end of the day we are all brothers and sisters on this earth.

Us Caucasians are decended from English and Spain et al, who went fouth from the 18th century and plundered the countries around the earth. Cut down thier forrest and broke up their safe and secure community groups and introduced industrialisation and expansionism so that we could profit and live what we thought would be a better life.

Now it is pay back day and from our profits (which was at thier expense) and our imposition on them of poverty, we need to open our arms and help them all.

From a practical point this leads us to the necessity of imposing birth control, to stop expansionism and to equalise the distribution of what we have left for the equal survival of us all.

This is simply proper equal socialisation of common humankind. But to detract from real meaning and sympathetic understanding there are some on here who call it communism, fabianism etc,. They are the real enemies of humankind. So take heed.

You are the man Explod.

To some here on ASF, the concept of building a "public" road is a "communistic" concept that is not required.

These goons are obviously influencing government because if we "actually" need a decent road built then the cost (built by some private consortium such as with Macquarie bank having their hand in the till) will come in at small change under $1 million per lineal metre.

I whole heartedly agree with Explod. Australia could never be built to our present state using the current philosophy. Just look at the road network around Australia. Thank god it is already there.

 

[drsmith]

I have said this before and will say it again, get off your soap box Smith in reference to the "deaths at sea".

Lacking a counter-argument of substance, you play the man and not the ball.

That though doesn't pretend the deaths at sea away.

 

[orr]

Try looking down on that moral ground upon which you stand.

That's part of Labor's cost for encouraging the boats to start again during their time in government.

That plus the $11,000,000,000 that encouraged 1,200 men, women and children to their deaths.

Do you need an education on the numbers of people who's deaths are attributed to political and religious oppression in 'our' region. Your argument would carry 'a little more' credence if your poster boy Capt Klown shoes wasn't in such rapture with the butcher of Colombo, would you like me to repost the pic? Or was he more in rapture of Olde Lady Packers campaign donation?

So much more tidy when they're buried on Thia boarder in mass graves, or disappeared on the Nth east coast of Sri Lanka and so many other points of despair, than them make the struggle to drown with the last of hope in their hearts.

'The lost in Space' Dr Smith character is well understood; jealous, greedy, cowardly, conniving, self-interested, every element exemplified as the anthesis of human virtue, hardly a wonder you go by his image. And at the end of the episodes he finds his reactive instincts wrong. (have you ever unpacked, physiologically why you choose that avatar???)

I love a moral the high ground trope... so much easier than assessing your own... humanity/racial proclivity?,,, white Rhodesians bother you?... The black ones, god bless'm, the ones working as nurses here are highly valued.

And frog, unfunnily enough from QLD if you'll go to trouble making your last post articulate, I'll be happy to crap all over your ad hom bollocks.

 

[drsmith]

Do you need an education on the numbers of people who's deaths are attributed to political and religious oppression in 'our' region. Your argument would carry 'a little more' credence if your poster boy Capt Klown shoes wasn't in such rapture with the butcher of Colombo, would you like me to repost the pic? Or was he more in rapture of Olde Lady Packers campaign donation?

So much more tidy when they're buried on Thia boarder in mass graves, or disappeared on the Nth east coast of Sri Lanka and so many other points of despair, than them make the struggle to drown with the last of hope in their hearts.

'The lost in Space' Dr Smith character is well understood; jealous, greedy, cowardly, conniving, self-interested, every element exemplified as the anthesis of human virtue, hardly a wonder you go by his image. And at the end of the episodes he finds his reactive instincts wrong. (have you ever unpacked, physiologically why you choose that avatar???)

I love a moral the high ground trope... so much easier than assessing your own... humanity/racial proclivity?,,, white Rhodesians bother you?... The black ones, god bless'm, the ones working as nurses here are highly valued.

And frog, unfunnily enough from QLD if you'll go to trouble making your last post articulate, I'll be happy to crap all over your ad hom bollocks.

See above.

 

[noco]

Lacking a counter-argument of substance, you play the man and not the ball.

That though doesn't pretend the deaths at sea away.

Doc, that is exactly the problem with some people on this forum, they don't like what one says, they have no sensible answers so they attack one's character....

 

[banco]

Doc, that is exactly the problem with some people on this forum, they don't like what one says, they have no sensible answers so they attack one's character....

I don't think it's a stretch to say that the liberals (and Drsmith, although perhaps I'm being redundant here) never gave a **** about the deaths at sea beyond the fact that it provided a talking point. You can verify this by trying this thought experiment: if they suddenly started coming in 100% shipworthy boats and deaths at sea dropped to nil would their policy be any different?

 

[Macquack]

Lacking a counter-argument of substance, you play the man and not the ball.

That though doesn't pretend the deaths at sea away.

I ain't playing the man.

You are the one playing the "deadman" Card.

What is your counter argument, stats on "deaths at sea" will transfer to Indonesian authorities where they don't keep adequate records. Very clever, Smith.

 

[drsmith]

if they suddenly started coming in 100% shipworthy boats and deaths at sea dropped to nil would their policy be any different?

Let's be realistic rather than fanciful.

 

[drsmith]

I ain't playing the man.

The following speaks for itself on that.

You could not give a rats ar*e about asylum seekers dying at sea, you are happy to turn them around so they can perish anyway.

Stop with the crocodile tears on the "deaths at sea" when that is your subconscious wish.

You are the one playing the "deadman" Card.

What is your counter argument, stats on "deaths at sea" will transfer to Indonesia authorities where they don't keep adequate records. Very clever, Smith.

What's your proof ?

 

[sptrawler]

I don't think it's a stretch to say that the liberals (and Drsmith, although perhaps I'm being redundant here) never gave a **** about the deaths at sea beyond the fact that it provided a talking point. You can verify this by trying this thought experiment: if they suddenly started coming in 100% shipworthy boats and deaths at sea dropped to nil would their policy be any different?

Well it all boils back to, you either have an orderly immigration process, or you don't.

If we don't, we will save a fortune on customs and border protection, but we will be inundated with refugees.

Which in itself, isn't a problem as it will make our labour shortage problem disappear, it should also keep the housing prices buoyant.

So maybe Labor were right to encourage illegal immigration, they failed by not providing seaworthy vessels.

I certainly hope they correct the flaw to their policy, when next elected.

 

[drsmith]

Doc, that is exactly the problem with some people on this forum, they don't like what one says, they have no sensible answers so they attack one's character....

I haven't eaten cornflakes for a while but I can only assume each packet now comes with a psychology degree.

 

[drsmith]

Labor in another undignified policy retreat or is Bill just trying to shore his leadership up against Tanya ?

Opposition Leader Bill Shorten has issued a stunning public apology, admitting the former Labor government was wrong in its handling of the asylum seeker issue.

Labor had “learnt lessons” during its time in government and the dangerous sea voyage from Java to Christmas Island must remain closed, he said. “Australia was slow to respond to change our approach ”” the consequences are well known,” Mr Shorten said, an apparent reference to the flood of boats that arrived under the Rudd and Gillard governments.

Does this mean Labor now supports turn backs ?

https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/28541353/alp-admits-failure-over-boat-arrivals/

 

[Tisme]

Does this mean Labor now supports turn backs ?

It is Rudd Labor's legislation place so that is a no brainer isn't it? The Libs are only now tweeking it so they can start bringing them into Oz to buy houses in Sydney fro the good of the GDP I believe

 

[orr]

What??? nobody trumpeting the latest removal of 'sugar off the table' pull factor; A gag order on health workers reporting sexual child abuse.... Nothing to see here. And so in the Dept of Immigration we trust. An organisation never afraid of embarrassment.


The old bishop Pell perfected one on these lines for a long time, now he's afraid to step back in the country, must be something in the water of that particular shared font; quite putrid.

 

[trainspotter]

I haven't eaten cornflakes for a while but I can only assume each packet now comes with a psychology degree.

Thank you good Doctor. Laughter is always the best medicine

JOURNALIST: Will the Labor Party support boat turnbacks?

SHORTEN: In terms of refugees, Labor has a compassionate and constructive approach. Labor fundamentally believes that this nation should be compassionate to genuine refugees. That is why we’re supporting regional resettlement. We want to also make sure that people coming to Australia don’t do so in manners which are unsafe by paying criminal people smugglers lots of money to potentially drown at sea. Labor is determined to stop the people smugglers’ model, that’s why we introduced regional resettlement and we are most determined that people smugglers can never get back into the evil trade of allowing vulnerable people to pay them tens of thousands of dollars and then these people get on unsafe boats and drown between Java and Christmas Island. So Labor’s approach is compassionate and constructive.

http://billshorten.com.au/category/transcripts

But but but it is all their fault cause they would not agree to the Malaysian solution

And Mr Shorten repeated the reply then-opposition leader Tony Abbott had sent Ms Gillard: “This is a problem you have created and it is your responsibility to solve.”

The Coalition and the Greens joined forces to defeat the Labor government’s legislation, which would have fixed the Malaysian plan to swap asylum seekers for groups of accredited refugees.
Mr Shorten said 689 boat people died on their way to Australia after that, implicitly blaming the Coalition and the Greens.
“My fear is that the truth (is) that the Coalition opposed the Malaysia arrangement not because they thought it wouldn’t work. They opposed it precisely because they were afraid that it would work,” Mr Shorten said.

http://www.news.com.au/finance/work...olitical-tactics/story-fn5tas5k-1227413451000

 

[drsmith]

What??? nobody trumpeting the latest removal of 'sugar off the table' pull factor; A gag order on health workers reporting sexual child abuse.... Nothing to see here. And so in the Dept of Immigration we trust. An organisation never afraid of embarrassment.


The old bishop Pell perfected one on these lines for a long time, now he's afraid to step back in the country, must be something in the water of that particular shared font; quite putrid.

You better vote Green then,

It was passed with the support of the federal Coalition and Labor.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-07-...ak-out-about-asylum-seeker-conditions/6587486

 

[orr]

You better vote Green then,



http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-07-...ak-out-about-asylum-seeker-conditions/6587486

I'll support anybody who's prepared to expose the rape of children.

Obviously a clear deliniation between yourself and anybody with un-lobotimized sense of virtue.

The institutional Abuse of children Royal Commission was a Labor initiative from memory, way to long in coming. But what would you expect with the 'decayed' that preceeded it.

 

[drsmith]

I'll support anybody who's prepared to expose the rape of children.

How far down did you read ?

Newly appointed Border Force commissioner Roman Quaedvlieg said the laws were aimed at protecting classified information and would not override existing whistleblower protection laws.

"This is about the leaking of classified information that can compromise operational security or our sovereignty," he said, indicating that anyone who shared such information illegally would be prosecuted.

"It's not about people having a right to be outspoken in the community."

Mr Quaedvlieg also added that he considered it highly unlikely those who had spoken out to date would be prosecuted and said he not believe conditions in detention camps would be considered classified information.