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banco · 11 February 2015

Gotta break some eggs (or kids) to make an omlette hey doc?

A royal commission should be established to examine the impact on hundreds of children of being detained for long periods in immigration detention centres, a report prepared by the Australian Human Rights Commission inquiry has recommended.

The report interviewed 1129 children over a 15-month period from January 2013 to March 2014, spanning both the Labor and Coalitiongovernments. It shows there were 233 recorded assaults involving children and 33 incidents of reported sexual assault.

The damning report is the largest survey of children in detention ever conducted anywhere in the world. It calls for 119 children on Nauru to be removed into the Australian community; for Christmas Island to be shut down; and for an independent guardian for unaccompanied children.

It alleges human rights violations and says children being detained indefinitely on Nauru are "suffering from extreme levels of physical, emotional, psychological and developmental distress".

Professor of paediatrics at the University of Sydney Elizabeth Elliott was horrified by the conditions for children in detention on Christmas Island.

Many had physical illnesses such as skin and respiratory infections as well as serious mental health problems. She described a 12-year-old girl who refused to eat or drink or leave her cabin. "She summed up her experience by saying, 'my life here is really death'," she said.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...used-in-detention-report-20150211-13b10a.html

drsmith · 11 February 2015

banco said:
Gotta break some eggs (or kids) to make an omlette hey doc?

How many children were there in detention under Labor ?

How many children are there in detention now ?

How many would be in detention if Labor was elected to office again under no-turn-backs Bill ?

We all know where the egg lies in relation to this and it's not on the face of this government.

drsmith · 11 February 2015

I could have also asked how many drowned at sea during Labor's time in office but there's only so much space on a face for egg.

banco · 11 February 2015

drsmith said:
How many children were there in detention under Labor ?

How many children are there in detention now ?

How many would be in detention if Labor was elected to office again under no-turn-backs Bill ?

We all know where the egg lies in relation to this and it's not on the face of this government.

Every child in detention is there due to a deliberate decision by the Government of the day (whether the previous Government or the current Government). They don't get there by magic.

banco · 11 February 2015

drsmith said:
I could have also asked how many drowned at sea during Labor's time in office but there's only so much space on a face for egg.

So we have to torture the kids that do make it here to ensure that others don't get on boats? Interesting moral calculus. The decision to put kids in detention is one that's 100% within the control of the Australian Government the question of how many people get on boats is not within the direct control of the Australian Government.

drsmith · 11 February 2015

banco said:
Every child in detention is there due to a deliberate decision by the Government of the day (whether the previous Government or the current Government). They don't get there by magic.

What would then cut it on your prevention index ?

banco · 11 February 2015

drsmith said:
What would then cut it on your prevention index ?

Zero children in detention (accept in exceptional circumstances and with the bar high on what constitutes exceptional circumstances). If that results in more boats so be it.

drsmith · 11 February 2015

banco said:
So we have to torture the kids that do make it here to ensure that others don't get on boats? Interesting moral calculus. The decision to put kids in detention is one that's 100% within the control of the Australian Government the question of how many people get on boats is not within the direct control of the Australian Government.

This government has demonstrated that it is as the previous Howard Government also did.

drsmith · 11 February 2015

banco said:
If that results in more boats so be it.

It's just so easy to preach from the high moral ground when one takes no responsibility for the outcome. :nono:

banco · 11 February 2015

drsmith said:
It's just so easy to preach from the high moral ground when one takes no responsibility for the outcome. :nono:

I don't think it takes a particularly fine moral sense to be disturbed by a policy that results in this:

Many had physical illnesses such as skin and respiratory infections as well as serious mental health problems. She described a 12-year-old girl who refused to eat or drink or leave her cabin. "She summed up her experience by saying, 'my life here is really death'," she said.

drsmith · 12 February 2015

banco said:
I don't think it takes a particularly fine moral sense to be disturbed by a policy that results in this:

Many had physical illnesses such as skin and respiratory infections as well as serious mental health problems. She described a 12-year-old girl who refused to eat or drink or leave her cabin. "She summed up her experience by saying, 'my life here is really death'," she said.

One though cannot effectively address the problem from such a limited perspective.

You stop the boats and you ultimately stop that as well. You also stop feeding the sharks.

drsmith · 12 February 2015

The OSB monthly update for January released today is a good start to the new year.

There were no IMA's and obviously no boats.

http://newsroom.customs.gov.au/chan...releases/monthly-operational-update-january-3

noco · 12 February 2015

someone is calling for a Royal Commission into the detention of children based on a report spanning from March2013 to match 2014. I think it might either be Professor Gillian Triggs or Richard Marles.....I read it today on the net and will endeavor to get a link.

Many had physical illnesses such as skin and respiratory infections as well as serious mental health problems. She described a 12-year-old girl who refused to eat or drink or leave her cabin. "She summed up her experience by saying, 'my life here is really death'," she said.

The above high light is a part of that 2013/2014 report.

The Government has rejected the request.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...216895923?sv=bfa3bf0ee6fba41dd4137911cb20539e

There are 192 children remaining in detention and the number is expected to continue to fall — substantially down from a peak of 1992 children who were held in July 2013 under Labor.

During a 15-month period from January 2013 to March 2014, 128 children aged between 12 and 17 engaged in actual self-harm and 171 threatened self-harm in detention. There were also 233 assaults involving children and 33 incidents of reported sexual assault, the majority involving children. There were 210 hunger strikes including 27 involving children.

Attorney-General George Brandis last night said the government was “disappointed and surprised’’ the commission “did not start this inquiry until 2014, considering the problem was at its most acute prior to the 2013 election’’.

drsmith · 12 February 2015

noco said:
someone is calling for a Royal Commission into the detention of children based on a report spanning from March2013 to match 2014. I think it might either be Professor Gillian Triggs or Richard Marles.....I read it today on the net and will endeavor to get a link.

Tony Abbott was right when he described this HRC report a disgrace and biased against the current government.

Any enquiry should include the full period of Labor's time in office from Nov 2007 and be expanded to the broader implications of illegal people smuggling in general.

noco · 13 February 2015

drsmith said:
Tony Abbott was right when he described this HRC report a disgrace and biased against the current government.

Any enquiry should include the full period of Labor's time in office from Nov 2007 and be expanded to the broader implications of illegal people smuggling in general.

Gillian Trigg is a leftie and very biased towards the Labor Party...She has gone out of her way to embarrass the Liberal Coalition...What a grub.,

SirRumpole · 13 February 2015

Forget the enquiries and continual cr@p about whose fault it is, just get the kids out of there into foster homes so they can at least salvage some of their childhood.

The continual bickering about children's lives is disgusting.

drsmith · 13 February 2015

SirRumpole said:
Forget the enquiries and continual cr@p about whose fault it is, just get the kids out of there into foster homes so they can at least salvage some of their childhood.

The question to responses from this limited perspective remains the same.

How does one do this such that it doesn't offer a product for people smugglers to sell or in other words, not encourage more boats ?

banco · 13 February 2015

drsmith said:
The question to responses from this limited perspective remains the same.

How does one do this such that it doesn't offer a product for people smugglers to sell or in other words, not encourage more boats ?

Depends what you value more doesn't it? The Australian Govt not engaging in child abuse or deterring boats. Why don't we break their fingers? That would be a deterrent.

SirRumpole · 13 February 2015

drsmith said:
The question to responses from this limited perspective remains the same.

How does one do this such that it doesn't offer a product for people smugglers to sell or in other words, not encourage more boats ?

If when the children completed their high school education they were resettled offshore with their parents, would that solve your problem ?

drsmith · 13 February 2015

SirRumpole said:
If when the children completed their high school education they were resettled offshore with their parents, would that solve your problem ?

At least you've considered a solution which is more than can be said of some of the other critics of present policy who contribute to this thread.

A western would standard education would in itself be a enough of a product for people smugglers to sell and would also encourage separation of families (children first, parents later).

There's no easy solutions to this and without a universal approach, a product remains available for people smugglers to pedal.

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