Asylum immigrants - Green Light

[Tisme]

A nice piece of work bunyip...you are 100% correct...As you well know I have been thrashed by some idiots on this forum for some of my comments about Islam and the Muslim community.

They sure have their heads buried in the sand.

That's unfair on the members in general. There is no doubt you have a passion and an itch you can't scratch, but so might the others who don't share your views. Things that are crystal clear to you might not be true.

Can I put it to you that Muslims have been in Australia for a very long time and have largely flown under the radar, as benign.

What we have coming into our country recently is a wave of entitlement, galvanised by self appointed religious oracles, a wave that believes we should share our wealth and toil and be exempt from reprisals because it's the religion's fault , not theirs (they are just doing what they are told): a skyfairy "talk to the hand" attitude.

 

[noco]

That's unfair on the members in general. There is no doubt you have a passion and an itch you can't scratch, but so might the others who don't share your views. Things that are crystal clear to you might not be true.

Can I put it to you that Muslims have been in Australia for a very long time and have largely flown under the radar, as benign.

What we have coming into our country recently is a wave of entitlement, galvanised by self appointed religious oracles, a wave that believes we should share our wealth and toil and be exempt from reprisals because it's the religion's fault , not theirs (they are just doing what they are told): a skyfairy "talk to the hand" attitude.

It would be nice if you could your put your case in simple plain English instead of all this fairy floss jargon you spit out.

 

[banco]

That's unfair on the members in general. There is no doubt you have a passion and an itch you can't scratch, but so might the others who don't share your views. Things that are crystal clear to you might not be true.

Can I put it to you that Muslims have been in Australia for a very long time and have largely flown under the radar, as benign.

What we have coming into our country recently is a wave of entitlement, galvanised by self appointed religious oracles, a wave that believes we should share our wealth and toil and be exempt from reprisals because it's the religion's fault , not theirs (they are just doing what they are told): a skyfairy "talk to the hand" attitude.

Let's cut the BS . The vast majority of muslims in Australia either immigrated to Australia post 1980 or are the descendants of same. Mass muslm immigration is an experiment that hasn't been of net benefit to Australia.

 

[Tisme]

It would be nice if you could your put your case in simple plain English instead of all this fairy floss jargon you spit out.

Be nice if you were more civil and less habitually cantankerous, but I doubt you can move past that, just like I have trouble ratchetting down English to monosyllabic lexicon. For someone who comfortably wears a coat of victimisation you are very quick with the personal insults aren't you.

 

[Tisme]

Let's cut the BS . The vast majority of muslims in Australia either immigrated to Australia post 1980 or are the descendants of same. Mass muslm immigration is an experiment that hasn't been of net benefit to Australia.

Then it's a two tiered argument then...the older Muslim believers and the new wave Muslim believers.

I don't believe there has been any experiment, but the day they switched off the turnstyles for technical migrants from the UK & preferential countries and opened the gates to the rest of the pagan world was our dawn.

 

[SirRumpole]

Then it's a two tiered argument then...the older Muslim believers and the new wave Muslim believers.

I don't believe there has been any experiment, but the day they switched off the turnstyles for technical migrants from the UK & preferential countries and opened the gates to the rest of the pagan world was our dawn.

+1.

It started with the Lebanese in my old area of Sydney. I remember my mum saying 40 years ago that they would take over the area, and she was right.

 

[noco]

Be nice if you were more civil and less habitually cantankerous, but I doubt you can move past that, just like I have trouble ratchetting down English to monosyllabic lexicon. For someone who comfortably wears a coat of victimisation you are very quick with the personal insults aren't you.

Perhaps you should practice what you preach.

 

[bunyip]

Let's cut the BS . The vast majority of muslims in Australia either immigrated to Australia post 1980 or are the descendants of same.

True. And let’s not forget that the ridiculous policies of that mongrel Rudd, and then Gillard after him, increased their numbers in Australia by around 11% in just six years by effectively laying out the welcome mat to a flood of illegal boat people from predominately Islamic countries. In a different era that bastard would have been shot as traitor to his country.

Mass muslm immigration is an experiment that hasn't been of net benefit to Australia.

Damn right it hasn’t! And we’re just starting to see the tip of the iceberg in regard to the problems that Islam will cause in Australia.

It just about beggars belief that some of our politicians and many of our private citizens can be so pathetically, abysmally stupid as to look at the problems being caused by Islamists in every country in which they’ve gained a foothold, and not only learn nothing from it, but repeat the mistakes of those countries by giving their wholehearted endorsement to mass Islamic immigration to Australia.

 

[drsmith]

We should get another OSB monthly update tomorrow. It should show one arrival from a Sri-Lankan venture intercepted and otherwise returned in late November.

Hopefully new immigration minister Peter Dutton is sufficient to caretaker Scott Morrison's former portfolio.

In Europe, we are seeing how not to do it. Italy under the sheer weight of numbers has thrown its hands in the air (over to you EU), people smugglers have rubbed their hands together with glee sending unpiloted cargo ships across the Mediterranean and thousands have drowned attempting the journey.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-01-04/italys-second-ghost-ship-rescue-prompts-eu-pledge/5999122

 

[orr]

and thousands have drowned attempting the journey.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-01-04/italys-second-ghost-ship-rescue-prompts-eu-pledge/5999122

And two hundred thousand, Two.... Hundred .... Thousand .... have perished staying at home, just in syria in the last two odd years. Can't see any push factors there... Some of those dead did Ok a while back doing a little work for a certian 'Jordanian Trucking Company', Ahh the good'ol' days.........

 

[noco]

And two hundred thousand, Two.... Hundred .... Thousand .... have perished staying at home, just in syria in the last two odd years. Can't see any push factors there... Some of those dead did Ok a while back doing a little work for a certian 'Jordanian Trucking Company', Ahh the good'ol' days.........

200,000 dead from Muslims fighting Muslims...had these people sorted out their religious differences, they would all still be alive...The same thing happened in Iraq under Saddam Husein.....Thousands of Kurds were killed with poisonous Chemicals.

One wants to dominate the other.

I do not know how many different Muslim sects there are in Australia, but if there are Sunnies, Sheits and Kurds living here who knows what could happen.

 

[bunyip]

We should get another OSB monthly update tomorrow. It should show one arrival from a Sri-Lankan venture intercepted and otherwise returned in late November.

Hopefully new immigration minister Peter Dutton is sufficient to caretaker Scott Morrison's former portfolio.

In Europe, we are seeing how not to do it. Italy under the sheer weight of numbers has thrown its hands in the air (over to you EU), people smugglers have rubbed their hands together with glee sending unpiloted cargo ships across the Mediterranean and thousands have drowned attempting the journey.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-01-04/italys-second-ghost-ship-rescue-prompts-eu-pledge/5999122

Italy and other European countries now realise what some of our politicians and some people on this forum still do not......decisions about asylum seekers have to be made on economic grounds, not on grounds of humanity and compassion.
That reality might sound harsh to many people, but it’s no less a reality. No country - and I don’t care how wealthy it is – can financially afford the sort of the ‘come one come all’ asylum seeker policy that was practiced under the Labor/Greens alliance of Rudd/Gillard/Milne.
It was a complete disaster at an immense and unsustainable cost.
What’s incredible is that, as bad as it was, the Greens and Shorten appear to favor a renewal of the same disastrous policy, seemingly oblivious to the fact that next time around it would be three, four, five times as costly as last time in terms of both monetary cost and lives lost at sea.
We just cannot afford to elect a government that won’t take a responsible approach to border protection.

 

[SirRumpole]

We just cannot afford to elect a government that won’t take a responsible approach to border protection.

Which is why I very much doubt Labor will deviate in practice from the same sort of operations that the Navy have been taking under the Coalition.

Having seen what a shambles their previous policy was it would be verging on suicidal for them to return to it. I think Labor will play this issue very quietly, not make too much noise, don't do any grandstanding publicly, but will continue the current policy without much change.

I really hope they are not silly enough to ignore the gift horse that the Coalition has offered them. Bipartisanship would seem the go in this situation.

 

[noco]

Which is why I very much doubt Labor will deviate in practice from the same sort of operations that the Navy have been taking under the Coalition.

Having seen what a shambles their previous policy was it would be verging on suicidal for them to return to it. I think Labor will play this issue very quietly, not make too much noise, don't do any grandstanding publicly, but will continue the current policy without much change.

I really hope they are not silly enough to ignore the gift horse that the Coalition has offered them. Bipartisanship would seem the go in this situation.

Come election time I hope the Coalition will force Labor to make a commitment one way or the other...from recent indications the Greens want a return to open borders and Labor certainly appear at this stage to go along with the Greens.

 

[noco]

Italy and other European countries now realise what some of our politicians and some people on this forum still do not......decisions about asylum seekers have to be made on economic grounds, not on grounds of humanity and compassion.
That reality might sound harsh to many people, but it’s no less a reality. No country - and I don’t care how wealthy it is – can financially afford the sort of the ‘come one come all’ asylum seeker policy that was practiced under the Labor/Greens alliance of Rudd/Gillard/Milne.
It was a complete disaster at an immense and unsustainable cost.
What’s incredible is that, as bad as it was, the Greens and Shorten appear to favor a renewal of the same disastrous policy, seemingly oblivious to the fact that next time around it would be three, four, five times as costly as last time in terms of both monetary cost and lives lost at sea.
We just cannot afford to elect a government that won’t take a responsible approach to border protection.

I totally agree with your post.

It is well noted, the refugees fleeing Northern Africa are from Muslim countries ....the majority who entered Australia illegally under Rudd and Gillard were also Muslims.

This is an Islamic world wide plot to infiltrate into the Western World to gain world domination..

I have been saying this for the past 4 or 5 years while Muslims are in a minority they appear a very peaceful group...It is when they have the numbers they then use their muscle as is happening right now particularly in Europe and the UK.

They certainly are building up there numbers in Western Sydney with some 20% of the population in the electorate of Watson...Tony Burke's seat.

 

[SirRumpole]

and Labor certainly appear at this stage to go along with the Greens.

Can you point to any public statement by the Labor party to that effect ?

 

[drsmith]

Can you point to any public statement by the Labor party to that effect ?

 

[drsmith]

Which is why I very much doubt Labor will deviate in practice from the same sort of operations that the Navy have been taking under the Coalition.

Having seen what a shambles their previous policy was it would be verging on suicidal for them to return to it. I think Labor will play this issue very quietly, not make too much noise, don't do any grandstanding publicly, but will continue the current policy without much change.

I really hope they are not silly enough to ignore the gift horse that the Coalition has offered them. Bipartisanship would seem the go in this situation.

They've had plenty of time for that and shown no sign of it.

Bill shorten can't even get turn backs past Tanya Plibersek.

 

[luutzu]

Italy and other European countries now realise what some of our politicians and some people on this forum still do not......decisions about asylum seekers have to be made on economic grounds, not on grounds of humanity and compassion.
That reality might sound harsh to many people, but it’s no less a reality. No country - and I don’t care how wealthy it is – can financially afford the sort of the ‘come one come all’ asylum seeker policy that was practiced under the Labor/Greens alliance of Rudd/Gillard/Milne.
It was a complete disaster at an immense and unsustainable cost.
What’s incredible is that, as bad as it was, the Greens and Shorten appear to favor a renewal of the same disastrous policy, seemingly oblivious to the fact that next time around it would be three, four, five times as costly as last time in terms of both monetary cost and lives lost at sea.
We just cannot afford to elect a government that won’t take a responsible approach to border protection.

I'm pretty sure asylum seekers, refugees, only have other people's generosity and sympathy to bargain with.

If you don't make asylum policies based on grounds of humanity and compassion, what do you make them on? Money? They got none - if they do have money, they'd fly here as immigrants, not by boat.

Economics? So what economic arguments can you make to help people? It's like giving a beggar a few bucks but thought wait the minute, if I give you these few bucks I'd be out of pocket a few bucks. It just does not make economic sense.

No one is saying..

"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses, yearning to breath free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore,
Send these, the homeless, tempest tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door."

The French were just mucking around with the Americans with that one.

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Beside our obligations as signatories to the UN Convention on Refugees, maybe even our own humanity seeing how most of us or our forebears did, one way or another, escape the old war-torn world of Europe or the famine or just send here as convicts... let's look at the economics.

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The first few years they will live on our charities. Will obviously need welfare benefits... but take my word for it, not many who faced death, who escaped war and managed to live and given a second... not many would then want to live on welfare benefits and handouts.

Ask those who have close encounters with death... they all appreciate life much more afterwards. Same with refugees. Once they find their footing, they will work hard, day and night... will put their kids through schools... And through them making the most of the opportunities they've literally risked life and limbs for, I think Australians too will benefit.

So you can point to a few criminal elements or maladjusted refugees and make your case against being as generous as we can... Just from my observation, most people that you help selflessly, they tend to feel obligated, even without you asking.

And if they're not, if all refugees are criminals lazy dole bludgers... what better way to raise our children, our national character than demonstrate to them the good and kind work we do to help those in need? Saying we're a lucky and generous nation then at the same time tell those who seek refuge to go drown themselves doesn't make our words believable.

 

[luutzu]

I totally agree with your post.

It is well noted, the refugees fleeing Northern Africa are from Muslim countries ....the majority who entered Australia illegally under Rudd and Gillard were also Muslims.

This is an Islamic world wide plot to infiltrate into the Western World to gain world domination..

I have been saying this for the past 4 or 5 years while Muslims are in a minority they appear a very peaceful group...It is when they have the numbers they then use their muscle as is happening right now particularly in Europe and the UK.

They certainly are building up there numbers in Western Sydney with some 20% of the population in the electorate of Watson...Tony Burke's seat.

With all these... dislikes [?] for the Muslims, the Fabians, the socialist communists unionist laborites... how do you make time to tell the neighbours kids to get off your lawn noco?