Bobby said:Off shore -now not on .
Get ready for the next invasion of economic refuges.
The cost will be immense both monetary & socially.
Bob.
Bobby said:Off shore -now not on .
Get ready for the next invasion of economic refuges.
The cost will be immense both monetary & socially.
Bob.
rubicon said:Oh dear. Ignorance is not bliss. Ignorance is well... Ignorance.
Asylum seekers are not economic refugees.
Under the 1951 Geneva Convention for Asylum Seekers "an asylum seeker" is someone who has a well founded fear (which they have to be able to prove to the satisfaction of ther potential host government) of persecution because of their race, their religion, their nationality, their political beliefs, or by being a member of a social grouping (Gays of wives/women at risk)
AS the bulk of these are fleeing because they have been trying to oppose the existing regimes in their home countries they are probably Darwins fittest of the species. They are certainly those with get up and go.
Is this why so many mediocre Australians are frightened of them???
Bloveld said:Well if u cant take the heat get outta the kitchen. Rather get the hell out of Australia wont you. I am sick of you alarmist wimps whinging.
I'm sure most will agree that to give genuine asylum seekers a chance to carry on a normal, productive life is a moral responsibility, but it's a short step from the sublime to the ridiculous.
I moved to Brissy from London nearly 3 years ago because I didn't want to bring my kids up in a place that was rapidly being over-run by economic migrants, spongers and downright criminals who's first and last words of English are 'Asylum' and 'Benefit'.
London is rapidly going down the pan because of a combination of ridiculous European legislation that opened the floodgates, and the fact that it is just plain bloody difficult to tell who is genuine and who is a crook.
I'm proud to have become an Australian citizen last week, and I would hate to see this fantastic country fall into the same trap. Better to be conservative with the nations compassion and go to whatever lengths are necessary to ensure the right people are getting the help they need, than to risk the whole country suffering because a few politicians don't want to be criticised for being harsh.
The "stop the boats" mantra of both governments, combined with offshore processing, is actually the most expensive solution.Get ready for the next invasion of economic refuges.
The cost will be immense both monetary & socially.
The "stop the boats" mantra of both governments, combined with offshore processing, is actually the most expensive solution.
I dare say even if all 6,000 in detention are granted asylum, the number is so small it wont make a difference to overall Australian "culture" (whatever that is these days).
It must be awful to live in a state of perpetual fear.
Well what do we have here, good old fashioned Australian jingoism, fear mongering and ignorant stererotyping masquerading as reasonable dialogue. And what of the thousands of vistors who over stay their visas, more criminals and terrorists no doubt (you forgot to demonize them to during your Aussie pride rant).The point is Mofra, they are entering Australia illegally. These asylim seekers destroy their passports and other identification so as not to be traced back to their place of origin. WHY? Is it not possible they could be criminals fleeing their own country or even terrorist?
The young males pretend to be teenagers; they all say they were born on the 31 .December 1993. They are nothing more than rich queue jumpers, denying genuine refugees the opportunity to resettle. They should be sent packing back to Indonesia.
Well what do we have here, good old fashioned Australian jingoism, fear mongering and ignorant stererotyping masquerading as reasonable dialogue. And what of the thousands of vistors who over stay their visas, more criminals and terrorists no doubt (you forgot to demonize them to during your Aussie pride rant).
Ah those "rich queue jumpers" (as if there ever was a queue), the vast majority of whom hoc everything they own and risk their lives to escape living conditions that you know nothing of and are unsympathetic toward while living in your little island cocoon.
Would it surprise you to learn that the majority of those interned through the "pacific island solution" were eventually granted refugee status?
Any chance you're also in favor of a return to the white Australia policy, after all only WASPs really deserve to live here eh mate? Get a conscience and lose the hate filled jingoistic rhetoric that underlies everything you've said here.
Well if you "can't see anything wrong" with the blatant fascist nationalism, fear mongering, aussie pride jingoistic drivel and barely concealed hatred of disadvantaged, desperate people engendered in noco's rant then welcome to the red neck brigade here.I can't see anything wrong with the statements by noco, which I would say are considered comments which are probably true.
Wow, 6,232 people! Dear god we're being overrun, bring on the gunships and lock them up in prison camps, that'll teach em eh mate. Make their already miserable lives even worse and show them just how inhumane we can really be, that's the answer. Using largely desperate, tramatized and victimized people as political fodder is just dispicable, contemptible conduct and you should be ashamed for buying into it.... the Liberal policy STOPPED THE BOATS FROM COMING - 129 boats so far in 2010 carrying 6232 people!
Well if you "can't see anything wrong" with the blatant fascist nationalism, fear mongering, aussie pride jingoistic drivel and barely concealed hatred of disadvantaged, desperate people engendered in noco's rant then welcome to the red neck brigade here.
Wow, 6,232 people! Dear god we're being overrun, bring on the gunships and lock them up in prison camps, that'll teach em eh mate. Make their already miserable lives even worse and show them just how inhumane we can really be, that's the answer. Using largely desperate, tramatized and victimized people as political fodder is just dispicable, contemptible conduct and you should be ashamed for buying into it.
Wow! Sounds like you have a strong grip on the status of refugees trying to enter our country FX. I would think there are many on this forum that have great compassion for genuine refugees fleeing a lifestyle that is probably not all that flash. But I wonder what facts you have at hand that indicate they are "largely desperate, tramatized and victimized people"
I for one would like a system that truly weeds out those that are not genuine and send them back. I would rather my taxes support Australian residents in need of assistance as we clearly don't have a bottomless barrel of money to support every Mohammed, Ahmed & Karim that wants to drop in.
Fx is a typical leftest who is very naive of the basis of all these so called refugees infitrating into every Western Counrty whether by boat or air. There was a link on a previous post explaining the Muslim plot to convert the Western World into an Islamic state. There are some 1 billion Muslims through out the world and the previous post(I will search for it) gave the figures of the Muslim population in various Western Countries. I believe some 80% of refugees come from a Muslim Back ground.
Muslims are setting up there own communities and building their Islamic schools where the Koran is preached 5 times per day. You might say they are moderate now, but these children are being taught that if you are not a Muslim you an infidel and the Koran teaches in a devious way that infidels are not accepted in their society and must be eliminated. I believe we already have a Muslim in parliament.
So beware, watch as the plot thickens.
Well, they did at least have an entry visa which assumes some sort of checking into their background.Well what do we have here, good old fashioned Australian jingoism, fear mongering and ignorant stererotyping masquerading as reasonable dialogue. And what of the thousands of vistors who over stay their visas,
We hear this all the time, i.e. "as if there ever was a queue".Ah those "rich queue jumpers" (as if there ever was a queue)
And you don't think those who have applied via official channels, and who are waiting in the camps are in similarly horrible situations?, the vast majority of whom hoc everything they own and risk their lives to escape living conditions that you know nothing of and are unsympathetic toward while living in your little island cocoon.
That is not the point at issue in this particular discussion where we are discussing who is admitted to Australia and when.Would it surprise you to learn that the majority of those interned through the "pacific island solution" were eventually granted refugee status?
Any chance you're also in favor of a return to the white Australia policy, after all only WASPs really deserve to live here eh mate? Get a conscience and lose the hate filled jingoistic rhetoric that underlies everything you've said here.
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