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Value Collector said:
I am open to be proved wrong and welcome any feed back, but I am pretty sure that there is no reasonable argument that can justify slaughtering animals for meat, diary or eggs.
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Morally I think you are right.

I would like to see some studies showing that we can get our desired levels of nutrients from plants alone without totally destroying the natural environment by clearing for farming lands.

How about seafood ? Aren't fish creatures too ?
 
SirRumpole said:
Morally I think you are right.

I would like to see some studies showing that we can get our desired levels of nutrients from plants alone without totally destroying the natural environment by clearing for farming lands.

How about seafood ? Aren't fish creatures too ?
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All the vitamins and nutrients we need are found in plants, except vitamin B12, however B12 is already added to some vegan food or you can just take a B12 pill once a week, but there is no rush, your body stores between 1 and 5 years worth of B12.

Also, 80% of the B12 vitamins produced gets used by the factory farms, so it’s more efficient if we just ate the supplement ourselves.

By reducing meat consumption, we reduce the total amount of farmland needed.

Some seafood is acceptable in my opinion, seaweed is good and mussels and oysters don’t have brains, and some other seafood have such simple brains they may not have the self awareness that birds and mammals have.
 
Tink said:
Here is a different view, VC

http://www.watoday.com.au/national/...making-it-more-difficult-20180423-p4zb4v.html

https://twitter.com/DavidLeyonhjelm
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Why don’t animals deserve to have rights?

It appears his only arguement is that if we give them rights we might not be able to kill them to make shoes.

He says we don’t put an animal on trail if they steal food, and he is correct, we don’t do that to young children either, but no one here would agree that children don’t have rights, or that we should kill them to make shoes.
 
Tisme said:
Pain receptors or not, vegans are tearing apart, chopping & dicing and eating living things!!

Take the irony of the Venus Flytrap : https://www.theatlantic.com/science...trap-counts-the-struggles-of-its-prey/424782/
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The “plants tho” arrgement against veganism is complete bunk.

For starters the animals that meat eaters kill, eat many more plants than the vegans eat directly, so if you really care about plants, don’t eat animals that are fed plants.

It is really just a lame arguement that people cutting animals throats use to justify their actions

Also many fruits and vegatibles are produced by plants with the purpose of having an animal eat them, think of an apple, an apple is a bribe the plant uses to get an animal to help spread its seeds.
 
VC, you are entitled to your view, and as I have said, I care for animals.
I also had a lady who is a professional dog breeder tell me that she was not happy with what they were trying to regulate in Melbourne.

When I see you standing up for humans and babies, I will listen to your side.

Your Orwellian - two legs bad, four legs good.
 
Tink said:
VC, you are entitled to your view, and as I have said, I care for animals.
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does this represent "care for animals" to you?

do you support live male chicks being fed into a meat grinder?



When I see you standing up for humans and babies, I will listen to your side.
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I don't see the atrocities happening inside the food industry happening to humans.

What happens in the animal industry is just as bad or worse than the Holocaust, and it happens on an enormous scale, much bigger than the nazi's holocaust.
Your Orwellian - two legs bad, four legs good.
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Tink, you are the one here willing to turn a blind eye to cruelty based on the number of legs an animal has.

You seem fine with a cow having her baby shot so that you can steal her milk she made for him, or a male chick sent through a meat grinder alive because he is worthless compared to his egg producing sister.

Instead of automatically resisting animal rights groups, why not take a look at whats happening first.
 
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In lawless Melbourne, there is no protesting allowed to do with humans on private property.

Yet these vegans storm restaurants, stores with no restraints to do with as they please.
 
SirRumpole said:
I think Tink is probably referring to abortion.
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If she is anti abortion, then wouldn't it logically follow she should be against putting babies through a meat grinder or shooting them, or sitting their throats?

oh, but just because they are a different species they shouldn't have the right to not be put through pain and suffering.

call me crazy, but I see a living and breathe fully functional animal with the ability to suffer as having more rights than a lump of cells that doesn't even have a brain, whether those cells have human dna or chicken doesn't bother me its not capable of suffering yet, but once it is capable of suffering I also don't care whether it has human or chicken dna, we need to avoid causing it undue suffering.
 
Tink said:
In lawless Melbourne, there is no protesting allowed to do with humans on private property.

Yet these vegans storm restaurants, stores with no restraints to do with as they please.
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But are you for or against male chicks being fed into a grinder alive?
 
So you think it is fine to murder babies because it is a boy or a girl?

You talk about family here but total opposite to do with humans.
 
Tink said:
So you think it is fine to murder babies because it is a boy or a girl?
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No tink, Thats the food industry. eg Male chickens and dairy cattle are killed.

So, I ask again.

Why are you avoiding the question?

Are you ok with male chicks being fed into a meat grinder alive?

You talk about family here but total opposite to do with humans.
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Nope, as I just explained my thoughts are identical, I believe both humans and animals deserve rights and to be treated respectfully once they are fully formed once they are alive and capable of experiencing suffering etc.

you are the one making a distinction based on species, not me.

Please stick to the thread topic, there are already other threads about abortion
 
What I find interesting is how cheap chicken meat is now. $3 per kg at the supermarket (as advertised by Aldi). God knows what sort of life these chickens live.

What are the margins? What are we eating?
 
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