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Wysiwyg said:
I prefer instant death as the best method. That should be best practice and enforced by law.
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If you knew the meat industry wasn't using methods that induce instant death, while also having poor animal welfare standards in the farming and transport process, would you still support the industry and eat their products?

It's not just how they die, but how they live.

Do you still want to eat bacon if the pigs lives like this, and then died in a painful death in a gas chamber?

 
SirRumpole said:
Animal cruelty in another form.

Certainly not instant death.
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But it was alright to clear the land, kill the animals and pollute the waterways for Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane etc.? It's okay for the ones that came before and now they say, nope, too much. Laughable. Surely Indonesia, Africa and South America have greater land clearing issues than Australia.

I strongly agree there needs to be a huge government rethink on urbanisation. Because there is so much open space there is a tendency to spread far and wide.
 
Wysiwyg said:
.? It's okay for the ones that came before and now they say, nope, too much.
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What came before bears little resemblance to whats happening now. Of course there comes a point where the magnitude of any action is "too much". Too much beer, too many cigarettes, too much sugar etc.
 
Value Collector said:
If you knew the meat industry wasn't using methods that induce instant death, while also having poor animal welfare standards in the farming and transport process, would you still support the industry and eat their products?

It's not just how they die, but how they live.

Do you still want to eat bacon if the pigs lives like this, and then died in a painful death in a gas chamber?
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What about all the industries you are invested in that kill flora and fauna for your financial gains. Don't think you are not a big contributor. You are.
 
Wysiwyg said:
What about all the industries you are invested in that kill flora and fauna for your financial gains. Don't think you are not a big contributor. You are.
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Yep, that's a fair point. Ethical investing can be just as productive as ethical eating.
 
SirRumpole said:
What came before bears little resemblance to whats happening now. Of course there comes a point where the magnitude of any action is "too much". Too much beer, too many cigarettes, too much sugar etc.
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Sustainability
  • avoidance of the depletion of natural resources in order to maintain an ecological balance.
It is possible but the progress is soooo slow. The global warming stuff kicked things along a bit but it is government that must make the changes because people are an apathetic majority of DILIGAF's.

And there is the economic cost.
 
Wysiwyg said:
What about all the industries you are invested in that kill flora and fauna for your financial gains. Don't think you are not a big contributor. You are.
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You didn't answer my question, can you answer my question?

But the animal farming industry has the same or bigger impact than other industries on the environment and land, but on top of that their product involves direct pain and suffering of their feedstock, which is live animals.

eg, Some people say things like "Growing wheat requires that animals be killed too" (pest control etc)

and yes that is true, But farming cattle requires more acres of crops be used to feed the cattle so has the same if not more impact for pest control, but then the added amount of killing the actual cattle.

Cattle need to eat about 5kg of food for every 1 kg of body weight they put on, So growing all that food puts extra stress on the environment, and if you really want to reduce the impact of wheat and corn farming, you need to reduce the amount of cattle.
 
Wysiwyg said:
Isn't that what a Greens Party should be lobbying for? Instead they are more concerned with petty b.s. and poofters getting a marriage certificate. Priorities with people is getting what they want first and foremost and the environment later.
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I agree.
 
Value Collector said:
You didn't answer my question, can you answer my question?
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No I would not eat pig that had been tortured prior. I will see if there are any companies that have a swift killing process. Time wise I think instant is preferable and the production line orderly and stressless. I don't know if there are any practices that do.

Oh and how come these companies you tubed us have not been named and put on a public avoid list?
 
Wysiwyg said:
No I would not eat pig that had been tortured prior.
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Well, most of the bacon and other pig products come from pigs killed vis the CO2 suffocation method post above, which isn't a nice death as you can see, and most of them come from high intensity farms, which is not a good life.

neither their life or death is good.


I will see if there are any companies that have a swift killing process.
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The fastest is probably electrocution, but as you will see in videos online a certain percentage don't die and end up having a horrible time.


Oh and how come these companies you tubed us have not been named and put on a public avoid list?
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Dude, they are all like that, the "Best practice methods" do not guarantee a pain free death, and as far as the blatant cruelty of staff, when its brought to the attention of the slaughter house they normally get warnings, and promise to retrain staff etc etc, very little happens.

The best thing to do is just to boycott the entire industry, al I said have been saying there is lots of good alternatives.
 
This is where Spam comes from.

If you can't stand watching what goes on in this video, you shouldn't be able to stand giving them your money.





Anyone for a nice glass of milk?




 
So MUCH to wife’s surprise as lifelong red meat lover I have made a massive change to my diet. To be honest I have not even watched most of the videos VC has posted as I find them too difficult watch.


Dairy and eggs were easy as we were already drinking soy as we both prefer the taste and I hate making a mess in kitchen in the morning so rarely ate eggs haha.


Red meat is gone. A good Rogan Josh will be missed but there are heaps of good vego Indian options.


The hardest for me will be pork. I love it. I am not eating it at the moment, but I am sure I will be able to find a local ethical farmer/butcher who I personally will be happy with. Others will disagree but we all have our own definition of what is ethical.


Eating on site has been a bit challenge. I have eaten chicken twice though I did not enjoy it at all and won’t be eating it again, how quickly things change. I think I will have to start bringing some smoked salmon to site or something. I cannot eat tinned tuna twice a day for 2 weeks.


I guess where I differ from a few here and is that at times I won’t be super strict. My sister has been a SUPER strict vegetarian for 15 – 20 years (different spoons when cooking) and it is a pain in the a$$. When going to family dinners or parties the host has to cook a separate meal or she is stuck with a very un-appetising meal. Close family and friends are fine but at times it has been difficult. My current thinking is (may change as this is very new), when in my control I will eat a diet very similar to pescatarian, however if I in a situation where there is no reasonable option I will eat something I usually don’t, i.e. at a mates house watching the footy and we grab pizza for dinner I will just eat whatever is served


So yeah very early days but there has been a massive change in my diet, I don’t see me ever going back to the way I previously ate. I will look around for more ethical pork and I need to find a cheaper way of eating lots of seafood haha
 
Well I've come to realisation that basically all our food is so pumped with poisons whether it be growth hormones, antibiotics, fertilisers, pesticides, preservatives, salt, sugar, nitrates and whatever that the less of it we eat, the healthier we will be.

It's going to be tough, and maybe I won't make it but I'm going to cut down on food per se. With so much stuff including seafood coming from you know where the choice of healthy food is pretty limited these days.
 
Yeah, I had a salad for lunch a few days ago.....

Hey it's a start.
 
Lack of subtitles is not ideal, but seems like a much better option.



Vice article where Australians are choosing inert gas asphyxiation as a form of euthanasia. Fingers crossed this thread is not derailed by euthanasia discussion

 
fiftyeight said:
Lack of subtitles is not ideal, but seems like a much better option.

Vice article where Australians are choosing inert gas asphyxiation as a form of euthanasia. Fingers crossed this thread is not derailed by euthanasia discussion
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Has the gas been ethically treated or have the bottles been caged?
 
Tisme said:
Has the gas been ethically treated or have the bottles been caged?
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Unfortunately it has been bottled. I can only justify this by the fact as a percentage of the life span of the nitrogen atom it only spends a small amout of time bottled.
 
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