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Value Collector said:
Just to let you know, Every vegan and vegetarian has heard people say such things a million times, and it just shows more about a persons ignorance on the subject or their stupidity, it is not seen as a smart arguement.
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A million times is a lot of times. Make that a million and one now.

There is no thought from a lion when he kills a females cubs and then rapes her, did you really want to use lion habits as a basis of our actions or morality?
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Humans go to jail if caught carrying out those actions. Are you aware of the difference human beings place on animal activities? Have you ever seen a lion in court being prosecuted? It is obvious to the simpleton that the two are not the same.

Humans have developed empathy, and most of us don’t want to put other thinking creatures through unnecessary pain and suffering, and eating meat is unnecessary, and when faced with the reality of what goes on to supply our food, a lot of people don’t want to support it.
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Since humans can kill swiftly then I think it should be done. Anything else borders on enjoyment from causing pain or watching suffering and that is not good.
 
Wysiwyg said:
Humans go to jail if caught carrying out those actions. Are you aware of the difference human beings place on animal activities?
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exactly, so we understand that just because a lion does something it isn’t right for a human to do it, so why would you try and justify putting an animal though unnecessary pain with such an example?

Since humans can kill swiftly then I think it should be done. Anything else borders on enjoyment from causing pain or watching suffering and that is not good
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Did you watch the video of the pigs being suffocated to death in the video I posted, that is hardly “swift”, not to mention the poor conditions they live in while alive.

Unfortunately many animals suffer in the process, the system is’t anywhere near perfect.

If you took the time to research what actually goes on you might change your tune.

The system it’s self isn’t perfect, but watch this video of turkeys being abused in an Ingham slaughter house.

 
Value Collector said:
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Humans have developed empathy, .

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because they have the time and the brain capacity to do that = because of meat.

Eating berries and weeds results in lower aptitude and IQ children because the B12 substitutes don't pass to the womb.

Of course vegans always maintain they done well at scholl and make better loyf choices. :D
 
Value Collector said:
exactly, so we understand that just because a lion does something it isn’t right for a human to do it, so why would you try and justify putting an animal though unnecessary pain with such an example?
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Killing and eating prey is the necessity of life. Killing for pleasure or to cause suffering is not. The method of killing is as varied as the creatures. The example of a cheetah kill is just that. The cheetah does not have emotion and pity for the gazelle.
 
The cows still in pasture and about to be killed have no idea and happily chew away. Its the process of moving animals up the ramp that they begin to get terrified. They can hear the animals ahead of them and there is a fair bit of panic and fear. The killing might be quick, but it can be brutal depending on method.

I admire people like VC and his thoughtfulness towards the suffering of animals. He also lives by his convictions.
 
To add I've shot and killed for food before. And thats quick. The factory environment isn't and there is suffering before the animals are killed.

People take it for granted having their meat neatly packed in little plastic trays ready to cook in supermarket shelves.

A good portion of the population wouldn't last 10 minutes in an abattoir.
 
Tisme said:
because they have the time and the brain capacity to do that = because of meat.
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Really, so why aren't carnivores the most empathetic? there are plenty of examples of Herbivores with more brain capacity than carnivores.
Eating berries and weeds results in lower aptitude and IQ children because the B12 substitutes don't pass to the womb.
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Have you got a link to some actually scientific study that supports that claim, also you don't need red meat to get B12, Seafood has it. and given that B12 is in the blood, I doubt it doesn't make it to the baby in the womb.
 
moXJO said:
The cows still in pasture and about to be killed have no idea and happily chew away. Its the process of moving animals up the ramp that they begin to get terrified.
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Not to mention that the "cows in the pasture", is a diminishing thing, more and more cattle are spending longer and on feed lots, standing in dirt or their own poo rather than the nice grassy hills in the cartoon farm yard images.



To add I've shot and killed for food before. And thats quick. The factory environment isn't and there is suffering before the animals are killed.
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So have I, it wasn't that quick though, I shot the goat through the shoulder blades, it took about 1 minute to get to it due to steep ground, I found it still alive looking terrified, so I cut it's throat which again wasn't very quick, I cannot imagine it was a nice death.
 
I believe (lol) that humans have developed a belief and hence practice toward the swift killing of animals for food because we as a whole want to move away from pain and suffering. To view pain and suffering is distressing for all but the insane so it is as a whole we want to move away from it. Without thought it would not matter.
 
Wysiwyg said:
Don't include me in your assessment of the human species.
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The fact is that non human carnivores kill to eat because they can't do anything else. A vegetarian diet is not suitable for them. Humans can get by without meat, it's just that we have become accustomed to it through our development.

Just because we needed it 50,000 years ago does not mean we need it now.
 
Modern factory farming far from the image that the marketing companies try to sell.

 
How the fast food industry and mega supermarket chains created the industrial farming practices.

 
SirRumpole said:
The fact is that non human carnivores kill to eat because they can't do anything else. A vegetarian diet is not suitable for them. Humans can get by without meat, it's just that we have become accustomed to it through our development.

Just because we needed it 50,000 years ago does not mean we need it now.
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I can see this going the way of a postal vote. :D
 
Wysiwyg said:
I believe (lol) that humans have developed a belief and hence practice toward the swift killing of animals for food because we as a whole want to move away from pain and suffering. To view pain and suffering is distressing for all but the insane so it is as a whole we want to move away from it. Without thought it would not matter.
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People eating meat want don't want their food to go through pain and suffering, and they want to think they are killed swiftly, but often that is not what happens.

But take a look at the pigs in this video, does it look swift? and remember this is best practice in Australian slaughter house, If I knew this went down I wouldn't be eating bacon, hence why I have given it up.





 
I prefer instant death as the best method. That should be best practice and enforced by law.
 
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