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Tisme said:
"A casual look at the races of people seems to show that those using much milk are the strongest physically and mentally, and the most enduring of the people of the world.
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Actually milk might be quite bad for you, increasing you chance of death by 15% for every glass you have of daily intact.

 
Value Collector said:
Actually milk might be quite bad for you, increasing you chance of death by 15% for every glass you have of daily intact.

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Yeah I must admit I have had to modify what milk I can drink to either "Heart Smart" or "Zymil Light". But the uncomfortable started as soon as Parmalat bought Pauls so I don't know what they did to it.

Lactase enzymes are prevalent in 85% of Causcasians, 76% Slavs and 10% of Africans and Asians.

If you get coeliac, crohn's, or any myriad of other bowel damage the production of the lactase enzyme can stop and the cramps, bloating, etc begin.

Solution: abstinence, lactose free milk or "Lacteeze"

Bad benefits of Vegan diets:

liver toxins, thyroid vitamin A deficiency, slow reduction in stomach acid and inefficient nutrient and mineral absorption, tooth decay, lower sperm count.
 
Let's look at humans in evolutionary adaptation terms, what do we see.

Vis a vis, what might be the natural human's diet? What did we evolve to eat?
 
My diet is shocking. And yet I maintain a sporty physique. But here's to kicking out at 60.
Apparently all food is bad for you now.

I'm actually concerned over some of the pesticides and pgrs they pump into vegetables now.
 
wayneL said:
Let's look at humans in evolutionary adaptation terms, what do we see.

Vis a vis, what might be the natural human's diet? What did we evolve to eat?
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Probably mostly vegan diet, with some termites, bugs and worms thrown in.

Some how we became dependant on B12, so that proves we ate animal products, but that could have come from Insects originally, in the way that chimps and other primates will eat insects readily, and in the last 100,000 or so years we have moved further up the food chain.

An interesting point to note is that our bodies can store up to 12 months supply B12, which kind of suggests it wasn't and every day food, and have been rarely eaten, maybe a few times a year and hence the need to store it
 
Value Collector said:
Probably mostly vegan diet, with some termites, bugs and worms thrown in.

Some how we became dependant on B12, so that proves we ate animal products, but that could have come from Insects originally, in the way that chimps and other primates will eat insects readily, and in the last 100,000 or so years we have moved further up the food chain.

An interesting point to note is that our bodies can store up to 12 months supply B12, which kind of suggests it wasn't and every day food, and have been rarely eaten, maybe a few times a year and hence the need to store it
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What is interesting are the biological contradictions... Intestine length, teeth morphology, natural equipment (lack of claws etc ) and our current diet.

And then you have the paradox of the Inuit.

Confusing
 
wayneL said:
What is interesting are the biological contradictions... Intestine length, teeth morphology, natural equipment (lack of claws etc ) and our current diet.

And then you have the paradox of the Inuit.

Confusing
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I think a lot of that is just misconceptions spread by those trying to justify meat eating.

For example, they say our teeth are designed to eat meat, and the use the canines as an example, but have you seen a gorillas teeth?

Much bigger canines than humans, yet it has a plant based diet.

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SirRumpole said:
But our ancestors weren't sitting at desks most of the day. They consumed a lot of energy chasing, killing and cooking their food.
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Yeah but physiologically we aren't 50 years in on our existence as a species.

The examples of vegans thrown up as proofs are invariably supermen and women who do a lot of resource consuming chasing/exercise and I dare say administer a lot of supplements to stay that way.

I'm not sure if we are getting a true picture of the health benefits. Back when I was a boy we had plenty of vegetables, salads, pulses, nuts and a small serving of meat; chicken was an easter and xmas treat.

Back then the old blokes were shorter, retired at 65 and died at 66, even the ones who didn't smoke. Nowdays we have life prolonging medicines and less arduous work and we live longer by about 20 years all in one or two generations and they aren't all vegans. The current 30 somethings are tipped to live to 100 and the twenty something 120. once again they aren't all vegans, far from it enmasse.
 

SirRumpole said:
But our ancestors weren't sitting at desks most of the day. They consumed a lot of energy chasing, killing and cooking their food.
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Which ancestors are you talking about?

if you look at chimps for example (they aren't our ancestors but we share a common ancestor), their diet is largely fruit, nuts, seeds and vegetables, along with some insects and bugs, yes they eat a bit of meat too, but not often, certainly less than we currently eat.

If you look at gorillas (we also share a common ancestor with gorillas, just a bit further back) they eat no meat, and are bigger and stronger than the average human.

But, what our ancestors did isn't as important as what is best for us today, we can live well on a diet without animal products, so I think morally its best for us to avoid as much animal products as we can, especially when it involves the thinking creatures like mammals and birds.
 
Tisme said:
The examples of vegans thrown up as proofs are invariably supermen and women who do a lot of resource consuming chasing/exercise and I dare say administer a lot of supplements to stay that way.
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The average vegan is low on 3 nutrients, the average omnivore is low in 7.

regardless if we are vegan or omnivore, we all need to make sure we are getting what we need

 
Value Collector said:
Which ancestors are you talking about?

if you look at chimps for example (they aren't our ancestors but we share a common ancestor), their diet is largely fruit, nuts, seeds and vegetables, along with some insects and bugs, yes they eat a bit of meat too, but not often, certainly less than we currently eat.
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I'm just saying that the early human race probably needed meat for energy, protein and brain development because they needed more energy as they were generally more active, whereas these days with a more sedentary lifestyle we don't need that much protein.
 
SirRumpole said:
I'm just saying that the early human race probably needed meat for energy, protein and brain development because they needed more energy as they were generally more active, whereas these days with a more sedentary lifestyle we don't need that much protein.
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I don't think hunter gathers spent too much time in the gym or running around in their Lorna Janes,
 
about chimps, they actually crave meat and go into bloody and amazingly/scary cunning hunts, a few google search will leave you with video you will not see on TVs.
The more I know about chimps, the scarier I get, and they are like our twin brothers evolutionary wise
 
SirRumpole said:
needed meat for energy, protein and brain development because they needed more energy as they were generally more active, whereas these days with a more sedentary lifestyle we don't need that much protein.
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Protein comes from plants, anyone eating a range of plants and grains is going to get more than enough protein, However if you avoid plant based protein and instead go for meat you not get enough fibre and suffer problems from a fibre deficiency.

It's a myth that you need meat for protein, or that going vegan will cause a protein deficiency.
 
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