Your talking present , I was referring to past.
Tasmania.
They won't conform I agree , I've seen the housing that looks like a warzone after they are finished with it . Mind you , there was a place in France where the toilet was ripped out by the previous tenant ( Islamic I think ) , never quite understood that one either to be honest . Different yes .......
But previous attempts to get them to move have been useless too , they are digging in , so to speak , right when we want to dig up the ground . They have priority in hiring for nearly every major mining project and are one of the best road blocks than any mining policy government has ever enacted .
The saying you can take the horse to water ........ is not lost on me here .
The unspeakables go back nearly 50 years , the backlog is astounding , but so too is the attrition rate of those that are needed to be spoken too . The answer was to dump it in someones lap in each state , the only real action that can get close to deterence though is a $$ presence $$ .
On a personal note , I believe the only cure for the victims and investigators that have to wade through all of it , is time .
Exactly as you phrased it , "get over it " , this is their only real positive course . There is a desperate need for people to look forward , but the horse saying comes back to haunt there. It's a tough one .
How do we get through to them at sufficient levels to make a positive change ?
That will be a Nobel prize winning answer .
Now the monetary compensation would have to fall under the liabilities act , and from my reading of it , it says " get over it " .
It still doesn't excuse the acts perpetrated , the scale is staggering and whats more shocking is that it is deeper than anyone expected . The spread almost systematic .
Forget the notions of my reactions to date you may have preconcluded on , the real amazement for me is that they now are pulling it all up from eons ago and its is a Government initiated program , after overly liberal allies from way back when . I could easily assume these targets have now lost all theirs friends , but that would call for an assumption , I do know solicitors and barristers will make a fortune .
Hey Chops,
Errr.. Yeah?? I'm sure most of us here are fully aware of what occurred there.. Are you seriously 'comparing' that to almost any other reported event whilst maintaining 'one of the only places' and 'Large scale'..
Like I said.. Sheesh..
Buster
mark I'm pretty much in agreement with you ...I'm a first generation Australian , my family had nothing to do with what has gone on before they came here. However as an Australian I feel pride in deeds of past Australians like the diggers in past wars , Bradmans super human effort with the bat, Victor Changs mastery of the scapel etc etc. Equally I feel shame in the policy of past Governments that allowed race to be a factor in the removal of children from their families. I have no issue with the Government of Australia apologising on my behalf for these shameful policies and the damge they caused. If we need to give them 4 billion,then just reduce the tax cuts from 31 billion down to 27 billion. I would willing give up my tax cut to sort this.
We need to resolve this out once and for all , so we can all move on.
When you become an Australian you embrace this country as a whole, it history good and bad. The main point here being the vast majority of Australians choose to become Australians or their ancestors did. The Indigeous people were forced to become Australians , they still need help to live in the modern world , which was forced down their throats 200 years ago by the founding Fathers of our nation.
You can say this had nothing to do with me , but you would be wrong ,if your Australian it does have something to do with you and as Australians we have a responsibility to these people.
Sorry, no apology: Howard
Prime Minister John Howard has drawn a distinction between saying he is sorry about yesterday's interest rate rise and apologising for it.
Mr Howard and Treasurer Peter Costello have both said they are sorry for the financial problems it will cause... etc
So, as we look back, we see it was not a good year for our globally praised multiculturalism. As National Race Discrimination Commissioner however, I have hope.
From ABC 20 Dec. 07
INDIGENOUS BOY'S ASSAULT PROMPTS pr0n CRACKDOWN CALL
A leader from the Northern Territory Indigenous community of Maningrida is calling on the Government to crack down on pornography use amid the shocking sexual assault of an 11-year-old boy.
Four of the five defendants have been sentenced to prison for sexually assaulting the boy.
The Supreme Court accepted when a teenager tried to have sex with the boy he was mimicking what he saw on a pornographic video.
Maningrida local Peter Dunaja says pornography has changed behaviour in the community in the last decade.
He says pornographic magazines started to come to the community in the mid-1990s.
"A lot of the kids are now ... are starting to drift away from their responsibility to the cultural values that we have," he said.
Mr Dunaja says politicians and bureaucrats need to visit the community to help address the pornography problem.
"There should be more tougher penalties, there should be more assistance," he said.
He says counsellors and sex education programs are needed in schools.
"These are the kind of things that are very hard for us, we need more counsellors, we need more bureaucrats to be able to make these decisions," he said.
"Not only that but in order for them to do that the golden rule is that they have to come and sit at a table to negotiate some of the things because each community has different priorities."
Mr Dunaja says the families of two men and three teenagers who pleaded guilty to child sex assault have reconciled with the victim's family.
He says pornographic magazines started to come to the community in the mid-1990s.
"A lot of the kids are now ... are starting to drift away from their responsibility to the cultural values that we have," he said.
At the end of the day,
White Europeans have destroyed so many cultures around the world , no amount of money or sorry will EVER right the wrong we have done.....
this is pathetic cultural self-flaggelation and i utterly reject this statement and your guilt ridden attitude.
oh those poor stone age cultures with life expectancies of 35 and institutionalised slavery, how terrible for the europeans to come along and introduce emancipation and democracy and social welfare and modern medicine and technology to these poor native peoples who lived fairytale existences communing with nature and living in peace with all the animals and tribes around them. its bullsh1t apologism and should be buried along with cultural relativism and political correctness.
human history is one of expansion, conquest and displacement, it is by no means limited to white europeans. ALL races, black, white and asian have at one time or another been responsible for atrocities against others as part and parcel of their own expansion. it like in america blacks jump up and down about how hard done by they were for slavery but no mention is made of the fact slavery still exists in africa, the middle east and some parts of asia, that black slaves were sold by black conquerers to arab muslim traders who shipped them across africa to the white customers, and just omit the fact that european civilisation is the first society EVER to abolish slavery and emancipate all the slaves. its all lefty bleeding heart bullsh1t and we don't have to say sorry for anything - in fact the world should be thanking western civilisation for little things like the renaissance, penicillin, air travel, the internet, vastly improved life expectancy and quality of life and multiculturalism (even though it screws the host culture).
the rest of you pussy apologists can bleed your heart all over the floor if it makes you feel better but it doesn't change the fact western civlisation is the best thing that has ever happened to humanity since we jumped out of the trees and started to eat meat. and before you counter with holocausts and world war anecdotes, they have led to the creation of the UN which is the first global meeting of leaders and facilitates the UNHCR and various other treaties and organisations who look after the most weak and vulnerable in the world. yeah those terrible terrible white people.
Me too100% agree.
this is pathetic cultural self-flaggelation and i utterly reject this statement and your guilt ridden attitude.
oh those poor stone age cultures with life expectancies of 35 and institutionalised slavery, how terrible for the europeans to come along and introduce emancipation and democracy and social welfare and modern medicine and technology to these poor native peoples who lived fairytale existences communing with nature and living in peace with all the animals and tribes around them. its bullsh1t apologism and should be buried along with cultural relativism and political correctness.
human history is one of expansion, conquest and displacement, it is by no means limited to white europeans. ALL races, black, white and asian have at one time or another been responsible for atrocities against others as part and parcel of their own expansion. it like in america blacks jump up and down about how hard done by they were for slavery but no mention is made of the fact slavery still exists in africa, the middle east and some parts of asia, that black slaves were sold by black conquerers to arab muslim traders who shipped them across africa to the white customers, and just omit the fact that european civilisation is the first society EVER to abolish slavery and emancipate all the slaves. its all lefty bleeding heart bullsh1t and we don't have to say sorry for anything - in fact the world should be thanking western civilisation for little things like the renaissance, penicillin, air travel, the internet, vastly improved life expectancy and quality of life and multiculturalism (even though it screws the host culture).
the rest of you pussy apologists can bleed your heart all over the floor if it makes you feel better but it doesn't change the fact western civlisation is the best thing that has ever happened to humanity since we jumped out of the trees and started to eat meat. and before you counter with holocausts and world war anecdotes, they have led to the creation of the UN which is the first global meeting of leaders and facilitates the UNHCR and various other treaties and organisations who look after the most weak and vulnerable in the world. yeah those terrible terrible white people. you don't see declarations on human rights coming out of africa or china or saudi arabia do you?
Get a few more Ernie Dingos, Noel Pearsons and tell them to fix it themselves by joining the rest of us in the 21st century.what’s the answer to the current situation with aboriginals?
Me three
this is pathetic cultural self-flaggelation and i utterly reject this statement and your guilt ridden attitude.
oh those poor stone age cultures with life expectancies of 35 and institutionalised slavery, how terrible for the europeans to come along and introduce emancipation and democracy and social welfare and modern medicine and technology to these poor native peoples who lived fairytale existences communing with nature and living in peace with all the animals and tribes around them. its bullsh1t apologism and should be buried along with cultural relativism and political correctness.
human history is one of expansion, conquest and displacement, it is by no means limited to white europeans. ALL races, black, white and asian have at one time or another been responsible for atrocities against others as part and parcel of their own expansion. it like in america blacks jump up and down about how hard done by they were for slavery but no mention is made of the fact slavery still exists in africa, the middle east and some parts of asia, that black slaves were sold by black conquerers to arab muslim traders who shipped them across africa to the white customers, and just omit the fact that european civilisation is the first society EVER to abolish slavery and emancipate all the slaves. its all lefty bleeding heart bullsh1t and we don't have to say sorry for anything - in fact the world should be thanking western civilisation for little things like the renaissance, penicillin, air travel, the internet, vastly improved life expectancy and quality of life and multiculturalism (even though it screws the host culture).
the rest of you pussy apologists can bleed your heart all over the floor if it makes you feel better but it doesn't change the fact western civlisation is the best thing that has ever happened to humanity since we jumped out of the trees and started to eat meat. and before you counter with holocausts and world war anecdotes, they have led to the creation of the UN which is the first global meeting of leaders and facilitates the UNHCR and various other treaties and organisations who look after the most weak and vulnerable in the world. yeah those terrible terrible white people. you don't see declarations on human rights coming out of africa or china or saudi arabia do you?[/QUOTE
4th person to 100% agree.
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