America a Failed State and a Rogue State to the rest of the World

macca said:

the body does cure itself in most cases (fortunately) but tests are showing that quite a high percentage of those that have recovered do not have many antibodies in their system.

This increases the possibility of them catching it again, it also means that a vaccine (if we ever find one) may not work very well.

Some Virus' are quite difficult to whack because they change so often eg: the annual flu shot is not a real success because flu mutates so often.

A couple of years ago the success rate was 10%, no better than a placebo really. It seems to average about a 36-40% success rate for a virus that we a know a lot about.

Of course, the common cold is a virus and we still haven't whacked that one which is why I do my thing with Vit D, 15 years since I have had a cold/flu now.

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I wonder why the young have been so unaffected by Covid-19.
With the older it seems that the best solution lies in the prevention (as is most often the case). If we learnt anything from all this, to combat colds and flu's, it is to keep washing our hands, stay home if you are crook (and STOP the snide and belittling of those who do), manage and isolate (as best we can) those who are sick. AND we no longer say "its just a cold".
If we can manage out Covid-19 with these practices then imagine what we could do with the old common cold and flu.

rederob said:

1. For most Venezualans there was no real difference before and after. Their national debt crisis was a long time coming.



2. The USA cannot just print paper money from thin air and assume it retains the purchasing power to cover foreign debt.

3. If that were true, every government would do it and none would have to worry about debt!
4. @kahuna1 did not write it as I would but his sense is retained.

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1. Would you wish to live in Venezuela? I know I wouldn't, simply because life there is miserable. It is miserable because their currency has/is collapsing.

2. Well we are not talking about foreign debt. We are talking about US dollar denominated debt.

3. All governments that can...do.

4. Mr Kahuna: clearly believes that 'money cannot be created out of thin air'.



He is incorrect.

jog on
duc

ducati916 said:

1. Would you wish to live in Venezuela? I know I wouldn't, simply because life there is miserable. It is miserable because their currency has/is collapsing.

2. Well we are not talking about foreign debt. We are talking about US dollar denominated debt.

3. All governments that can...do.

4. Mr Kahuna: clearly believes that 'money cannot be created out of thin air'.

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He is incorrect.

jog on
duc

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I don't indulge in strawman argument so won't be responding further to your points.

Venezuela is a straw man argument?

Hilarious!

wayneL said:

Venezuela is a straw man argument?

Hilarious!

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The reason I ignore most of your posts is because you do not understand what an argument comprises.
Of all the people on this site that I have read posts from over almost 15 years, yours more regularly attack the person than the topic.
Despite this, you have kept casting the shoe on the other foot, and have never yet shown evidence for your assertions.
As Joe is at pains to point out, there is an ignore button that works a treat.

rederob said:

The reason I ignore most of your posts is because you do not understand what an argument comprises.
Of all the people on this site that I have read posts from over almost 15 years, yours more regularly attack the person than the topic.
Despite this, you have kept casting the shoe on the other foot, and have never yet shown evidence for your assertions.
As Joe is at pains to point out, there is an ignore button that works a treat.

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I have commented on your argument, not your person Robbie.

I played the ball, not the man, therefore not ad hominem.

IOW, I argue your argument for a logical fallacy is a logical fallacy.

On the other hand, there are dozens of examples of you playing the man, including the quoted post.

jbocker said:

If we can manage out Covid-19 with these practices then imagine what we could do with the old common cold and flu.

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Tell the employers not to sack the workers who take a week off with a cold.

SirRumpole said:

Tell the employers not to sack the workers who take a week off with a cold.

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EXACTLY. It has to be managed far better to protect the workers AND the bosses. Cold gets a mandatory 3 days off. Doctors certificate to be picked up day 1, allow work from home after two days rest (if that is possible. If you are caught out scamming - sacked. The message is Stay at home, We don't want sick at work and NOT in the public space also. Scammers can cop it sweet, give the job to someone else. Fine the boss who doesn't send the sick home.

Isolation must increase hallucinations

Employers are to busy figuring out how to underpay their employees let alone paying sickies

jbocker said:

EXACTLY. It has to be managed far better to protect the workers AND the bosses. Cold gets a mandatory 3 days off. Doctors certificate to be picked up day 1, allow work from home after two days rest (if that is possible. If you are caught out scamming - sacked. The message is Stay at home, We don't want sick at work and NOT in the public space also. Scammers can cop it sweet, give the job to someone else. Fine the boss who doesn't send the sick home.

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Humid said:

Isolation must increase hallucinations

Employers are to busy figuring out how to underpay their employees let alone paying sickies

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It is unfortunate but true. In all my working life the bosses were always trying to rip off the workers and break the law. I had to stand up to them a few times and in the end they backed off. So sad it's still going on today. I thought things might have improved but it seems to be getting worse.

America .... only 51% of workers earning wages in the lowest quarter ($13.80 or less)Get ANY sick leave . Among the lowest-earning tenth – those whose wages are $10.80 an hour or less – just 31% have paid sick leave.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-ta...-workers-have-paid-sick-leave-and-which-dont/

According to the latest data available from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, 69% of low-wage workers, those in the 10th lowest percentile of median wage earners in the US civilian workforce, do not receive paid sick leave benefits.

“Their earnings are low so they can’t afford to take unpaid leave and when they are sick they have to keep working and expose other people in the process,” said Harry Holzer, a professor of public policy at Georgetown University.


I would also point out ...

most workers in the USA when they start only get one week paid leave .... no sick leave and for lower paid jobs like say Walmart after 7 years .... they give you your second week ... you get sick, your using a vacation day. Just great for CV19 !!

You get a cold ...and your vacation is cut short or disappears for the year.

Same for McDonalds and a very long list of American employers.

A sickie ... is not possible with ... no paid sick days.
Time to get back to work slaves for ... awful pay and worse benifits.

The American dream !!

Work or starve ? Work and get sick and die ? OR get sick and then smashed with a hospital bill for 35k ?

Time to choose ... .jeopardy music is playing .... all for $11.22 an hour for Walmart. Minus tax and Social security so ... $9- in your hand. Whoops, my hand, it just fell off .... music stopped.

Big deal. You can find worse conditions in many places around the world.
Take America's best bud China...
In China, the average worker earns around 10x less than the average American and also have to slog on when sick. I've personally witnessed many of the different types of factories there and their treatment of their peons. The show is supposed to be informative and candid but it's nothing special when you see a sleep deprived slave fall asleep at the silk yarning machine, for example. Can you blame them if they've been in the factory for more than 12 hours a day, every day of the week?

The real hustle comes when they shuffle you away into the bosses' offices to convince you why you need to buy their silk outfits or other trinkets depending on the factory.

I'd rather be a worker in a Walmart or McDonalds anyday... not that the Beijing Maccas are much different to those in other places.

(In before CCP... I mean redflag rob.)

I prefer neither regime .... CCP or USA.

USA however ... is civilized supposedly. Great ..... as in the G in MAGA.

Not sure say an Amazon worker who for healthcare pays the first $3,000- as a deductible and then co pays so half the next 1,500 and then $40- a week for that cover which is shared with the employer compares to Chinese medical costs, nor rent ... likely more than the Chinese worker is paid.

Paying $6,500 Medical when your on under 28k after tax .... is leaving you in the USA needing food stamps ... oh ... they just cut them as well ... rents an insane price ... leaves well ... so glad they have no holidays since they cant afford them.

Neither are well, pleasant conditions.

Did you know you get 90 seconds to go to the toilet for a number 2 at Amazon ? .... one worker complained because he got a hernia trying to push it out so quickly. During CV19 any protestors were just sacked. No discussion, just sacked.

Meat workers in the USA ... well they have it even worse.

Comparing conditions to Australia or NZ or EU ... verses USA leaves a lot to be desired.
As to China, well ... there in lies one reason why manufacturing was outsourced. Lower wages.

One hand China raised average living conditions, doubled life expectancy and whilst a regime that I fancy less than USA, I would prefer NOT to work or live in either nation as a Macca's worker or factory worker.

We for cheaper labor got cheaper goods, companies made more profits and well, USA just decided to imitate 3rd world conditions or ones that were around 200 years ago.

Post CV19 these supply chains may change a bit, but not holding my breath for the simple reason that in may ways the relationship has been symbiotic and beneficial to both nations, all be it USA did not bother improving the conditions of the many or raising wages and benifits correctly, it just went to the few. Chain verses where it was 40 years ago is amazing. But it comes at a cost of course.

Nothing is perfect. Far from it. This however is obscene where we are now. USA has abandoned any role for its people in CV19 and abandoned the rest of the world fighting it ... it stands alone. Fine ... well bloody pay tax here ... is my biggest gripe and ... well stop being so pious about your moral stance when by end of 2020 you have likely 250,000 CV19 dead instead of 20% of that.

Its only 200,000 more Americans than should have died. About 2 years of the deaths in Yemen or 3 years of Drone attacks .... or 2 years of the fighting in Syria and Libya.

Not sure one can have the high ground when your up to your neck in innocent bodies on the main.

SirRumpole said:

Australia
Coronavirus Cases:
6,913
Deaths:
97
Recovered:
6,074

Most people recover from the virus, so isn't it obvious that there is an immune response ?

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Everyone is talking about a lasting immune response including immunological memory. Recoveries are not relevant to this.

kahuna1 said:

Seek help ... it is confronting the journey you are upon.

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You know nothing about me. Your arrogance, smug attitude, passive aggression and rudeness are disgusting. You frequently display paranoia, insanity and emotional instability and multiple times I've seen you recommend others to get help which they clearly don't need. Telling someone else to get help they don't need is just another display of your passive aggression, and likely psychological projection.

Humid said:

Before text messaging?

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pigeons

Sdajii said:

You know nothing about me. Your arrogance, smug attitude, passive aggression and rudeness are disgusting. You frequently display paranoia, insanity and emotional instability and multiple times I've seen you recommend others to get help which they clearly don't need. Telling someone else to get help they don't need is just another display of your passive aggression, and likely psychological projection

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Peace.
xxx

Sdajii said:

This pandemic hit me at the absolute worst possible time and has resulted in me being in exactly that position. I don't even have $5k to my name, I don't own a bed, I don't even have a full wardrobe of clothes, I lost everything from my toothpaste and washing powder to my computer, books... everything.

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As I said peace.
If this upsets you, I am sorry. I expressed sympathy, and well ...

Good luck on your journey

jbocker said:

I wonder why the young have been so unaffected by Covid-19.
With the older it seems that the best solution lies in the prevention (as is most often the case). If we learnt anything from all this, to combat colds and flu's, it is to keep washing our hands, stay home if you are crook (and STOP the snide and belittling of those who do), manage and isolate (as best we can) those who are sick. AND we no longer say "its just a cold".
If we can manage out Covid-19 with these practices then imagine what we could do with the old common cold and flu.

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We are in the wrong thread for this but briefly, the old spend a lot of time indoors, the Young are far more active and usually outdoors in the sunshine doing it

USA research is showing fit, active people with no chronic conditions quite often do not even know they have had the virus

kahuna1 said:

As I said peace.
If this upsets you, I am sorry. I expressed sympathy, and well ...

Good luck on your journey

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It was blatant passive aggression, not sympathy. That was plain for all those who aren't just scrolling past your posts as most do. If you think you're fooling people on that one, you're fooling yourself.