Aboriginal?

[crackaton]

I know "white" Australians that live at or below the level of many aboriginals and yet they don't get the benefits that the aboriginals get....

If we want a fairer system that still helps the "aboriginals" why don't we just class people as people...not as aboriginal or white and then give out handouts according to need.

Yes im sure i can't imagine living in outback community ....at the end of the day they should move and get a job!

I agree but the same can be said for immigrants coming to this country and getting paid to do so. And then there's the single mum thing whereby they get knocked up early and have a truck loads of kids to three or four different fathers.

 

[rederob]

If we want a fairer system that still helps the "aboriginals" why don't we just class people as people...not as aboriginal or white and then give out handouts according to need.
Yes im sure i can't imagine living in outback community ....at the end of the day they should move and get a job!

Mista
Your blissful ignorance is astonishing.
We have a relatively fair system already that is needs based, but you wouldn't know because you choose to trot out nonsensical statements based on what you concoct, as distinct from what actually exists.
I can't imagine where you went to school, but if anything about aboriginal culture was taught, you were either missing in action, or not able to comprehend. The relationship of aboriginal people to the land is their essence.
Between you and crackaton, whose knowledge of migration matters matches yours on aboriginal culture, we have a melange of monstrous proportions: You should congratulate yourselves.

 

[nizar]

And then there's the single mum thing whereby they get knocked up early and have a truck loads of kids to three or four different fathers.

LOL whos fault is that to have truck loads of kids to several fathers??

 

[TheAnalyst]

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/

This picture is front page of The australian...they are saying as well as this family that it is white fella's fault that they live like this and they need much more government funding to help with the problem that they can t get a rag out and clean up....i get sick of left wing journalists and these types tellin me its my problem that they dont clean their kitchen......poor dog....

 

[visual]

And at the end of the day,these are the images that makes all of us think ,let them rot.
But when you think logically,how much needs to go wrong for people to live like this,and what needs arent being met.As far as I know aboriginals did take great care of their enviroment before white man,so what changed now.

Racism doesnt cut it,discrimination might go a little way to explain how a person could fall so low that not even cleaning after oneself becomes worthwhile,but overall something else must have drastically gone wrong for people to live like this.

Obviously being given stuff without working isnt helping the situation,none of these kids look malnurished why are they making the choice to live in communities where these is no hope yet not live the traditional life either.

 

[emma]

I feel very lucky that I don't live in "HOPE"vale and have others commenting on a life they know nothing about.

 

[macca]

Well I do know one thing, when the house was built it did not look like that.

I wish the media would stop holding these people up to ridicule, if they wish to live in a place like that, then it is their right to do so.

I have seen plenty of places like that in the city, usually occupied by students.

Just because WE choose not to live in those conditions, what right do we have to expect them to maintain the place the way that WE expect.

We are judging them by our standards, typically arrogant European tradition, "if you don't do it our way then you are wrong".

 

[visual]

Emma,what do you suggest,ignoring their cries,suffering ,ect .
Your way has already been tried and it didnt work.It`s time to look at this situation and fix it.If nothing else for the children.

 

[TheAnalyst]

I feel very lucky that I don't live in "HOPE"vale and have others commenting on a life they know nothing about.

Then why dont you go there and clean up the kitchen and clean that stove and get whats left of the cupboard doors from the kids billy carts and bon fires.

Maybe you can stay there and wait on the family hand and foot so we dont have to put up with ridiculous newspaper articles blaming "white fella's" for them not wanting to clean the kitchen and wanting some Federal Government grant for them to receive permanent full time cleaners in each home to clean up and cook for em....u must be kidding...have a look at that $1200 new stove and really do taxpayers have to buy a new one cos the family standing in that kitchen dont want to clean it..........u pay for it Emma.....that money could go to Private Kosvco's widow and children.

 

[emma]

It is interesting that my earlier post has elicited two contrary responses. To clarify, I don't have any answers but I do have sympathy for people (of any colour) who are struggling - for whatever reason.

 

[TheAnalyst]

It is interesting that my earlier post has elicited two contrary responses. To clarify, I don't have any answers but I do have sympathy for people (of any colour) who are struggling - for whatever reason.

Well no-one had pity for me as a kid cos i was a white aussie boy and was i poor the refugees at primary school use to give me their worn out shoes...and i would happily wear em.......and when the social workers gave me socks they were ugly grey ones but i had to wear em and then my dad would pinch em and wear em from my wardrobe.....and i was lucky that the school dental van started because it wasnt until grade 5 that they the dental van gave me a toothbrush and i didnt even know i was meant to have one.....if i had been aboriginal i would have been better off.....lucky for the share market and pickin up a job in the armed forces.....

 

[Julia]

Personally I find the state of that filthy kitchen indefensible in any terms.
No one is so impaired emotionally that they can't wield a scrubbing brush.

At the same time, I have a vivid memory of being in a house much worse than that. The toilet had been blocked for weeks but the family just kept using it. Then they took the toilet seat and placed it in the living room and designated that the toilet! Yes, really. There were soiled nappies throughout the house and the kitchen was much worse than the one in the photograph. The kids were filthy and the single mother was pregnant for the fifth time. None of the fathers were known.

That family was white.

Julia

 

[TheAnalyst]

Personally I find the state of that filthy kitchen indefensible in any terms.
No one is so impaired emotionally that they can't wield a scrubbing brush.

At the same time, I have a vivid memory of being in a house much worse than that. The toilet had been blocked for weeks but the family just kept using it. Then they took the toilet seat and placed it in the living room and designated that the toilet! Yes, really. There were soiled nappies throughout the house and the kitchen was much worse than the one in the photograph. The kids were filthy and the single mother was pregnant for the fifth time. None of the fathers were known.

That family was white.

Julia

This is the point Julia that I am making...it isnt about the race or color.....why should the tax payer be told that this mess in the kitchen is the peoples of Australia's responsibility....it does not matter who you are if its your kitchen then its your responsibility...unless of course you are an elderly person or suffer a real disability that hinders you from this type of cleaning...then yes once agian it does not matter your race then Australians socially thru tax have a responsibility to help these types of elderly and disabled people and i have no problem with my tax being distributed for this need.

But for a physical capable family to stand there in a kitchen and say look at this place, clean it and fix it...is bull......what it shows to me and the community is that some group or someone has instilled in the people in this kitchen that even to the point of cleaning the kitchen is not their responsibilty or their fault...it is the white mans governments fault and they are obligated to clean for you and when you break it or dont want it then you demand that it be done for you and this is your right.

 

[Julia]

Analyst:
Most Australians would completely agree with you.

Julia

 

[It's Snake Pliskin]

Personally I find the state of that filthy kitchen indefensible in any terms.
No one is so impaired emotionally that they can't wield a scrubbing brush.

At the same time, I have a vivid memory of being in a house much worse than that. The toilet had been blocked for weeks but the family just kept using it. Then they took the toilet seat and placed it in the living room and designated that the toilet! Yes, really. There were soiled nappies throughout the house and the kitchen was much worse than the one in the photograph. The kids were filthy and the single mother was pregnant for the fifth time. None of the fathers were known.

That family was white.

Julia

Yes Julia I have seen white peoples houses, many in real estate, which would make you sick on the spot.

Maybe the aboriginals in the photo have been too focussed on the bull market of late and have been trading too hard

 

[TheAnalyst]

By Lindsay Murdoch, Wadeye
May 23, 2006
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GANG violence has turned the remote indigenous community of Wadeye into a war zone.

People are camping in tents like refugees in their own country, too afraid to return to their homes as two rival gangs run riot through the community, 450 kilometres south-west of Darwin. Scores of others have fled into the bush. Even the gang leaders are frightened.

"Somebody's going to die," said Gregory Narndu, 32, a leader of the Evil Warriors gang. "What can we do? That other mob attacks us with rocks, boulders, spears and anything else they can get hold of," he said.

Almost every day and night the Evil Warriors and their enemy the Judas Priest boys fight a turf war that is threatening the future of the largest Aboriginal community in the Northern Territory.

The situation is so grave, the community's chief executive Terry Bullemor said yesterday, that the local council is looking to evacuate up to 300 threatened people to Darwin, where they could receive basic services.

But the only road to the community remains blocked by wet season floodwaters. Community elders interviewed by The Age yesterday said they would welcome the army to help keep the peace.

Wadeye, a former Catholic mission called Port Keats, looks like a Third World refugee camp. Women and children are often too frightened to walk the streets of the town that nestles into coastal mangroves.

An average of 20 people are living in each sweltering, graffiti-covered house.

Almost half the population of 2500 is under 15. Most teenagers cannot speak English, indicating they have had no formal education. Life expectancy is 20 years less than that of non-indigenous Australians. And an acute housing shortage will worsen over the next two decades as the population doubles.

"Our cry is for help," says Theodora Narndu, Gregory's 54-year-old mother.

Mrs Narndu is one of Wadeye's most respected elders. "Seeing what's happening, my tears are never dry," she says. "I hear the screams at night … terrified women and children … It has never being like this before. Our kids are not safe."

Wadeye has only five full-time police officers.

"When there's trouble around here and I call the police to come and protect my mob they never come," Mrs Narndu says. "Where are the resources that the politicians kept promising us?"

Pleas to boost police numbers to levels that are maintained in the Northern Territory's non-indigenous communities have gone unanswered despite the fact that Wadeye has had law and order problems for years.

The community's only doctor, Patrick Rebgetz, has been told by the Northern Territory Health Department not to speak about the six-year-old boy he recently treated who had been raped.

But Dr Rebgetz refuses to remain silent and insists he can talk as a member of the Australian Medical Association, which has warned that all of the community's 1300 children are at risk.

"Australia should be ashamed at what's happening in remote indigenous communities," Dr Rebgetz told The Age.

"We as Australians need to stand up with these people to reclaim their town from the groups that are trying to destroy it," he said.

Mandy Leggett, a council worker, drives past one of many houses that have been trashed in the rioting that has caused more than $450,000 damage to houses and other property in the past three months.

"Two young kids hid in the roof as they did that one," she says. "Imagine how terrified they were."

Three years ago Wadeye was chosen as a trial site for what politicians called a "bold experiment" to end disadvantage in remote indigenous communities.

They called it the Indigenous Communities Co-ordination Pilots program under the Council of Australian Governments umbrella.

Ministers and other MPs, even Prime Minister John Howard, along with bureaucrats arrived in droves.

But yesterday, as the gangs massed for their daily conflict, the trial was in tatters.

"It's time to walk away," Mrs Narndu said. "What did it get us? Nothing."

Mr Bullemor said the community was angry and frustrated that the trial program never improved the delivery of basic services as the politicians and bureaucrats promised it would.

He said elders were "pretty disheartened" when NT Chief Minister Clare Martin refused last week to attend a national summit with federal Indigenous Affairs Minister Mal Brough, insisting that problems in indigenous communities should be handled through the Council of Australian Governments.

"When the people here saw that they asked where has Clare been for the past three years," Mr Bullemor said.

He said the gang violence was a symptom of much deeper issues that elders had been trying to get governments to address for many years.

"The gangs to some extent are militia for various interest groups," he said.

Mr Bullemor said unresolved issues, such as land tenure, were fuelling the violence.

"We have gangs trying to solve problems that we should be solving ourselves if governments were working better together," he said.

"One of the main problems is that there has been no serious development strategies for emerging territory towns."

Mr Bullemor said people in the community were confused by the territory's legal system.

"There's no real enforcement of the Child Welfare Act, for example," he said.

"We have the Government saying there are laws in place but the people here see that they are not enforced."

Mr Bullemor said sending soldiers to Wadeye could act as a confidence-building circuit-breaker.

"The whole underlying issues would remain but the arrival of soldiers would help us cap the situation for the moment at least," he said.

"We need some breathing space so that we have time to consider how to resolve some of issues."

Wadeye's problems are creating tension in Ms Martin's Labor Government as serious questions are being asked about the territory's discretionary spending of Commonwealth grants earmarked for remote communities.

An internal Labor paper suggests that Commonwealth money that is supposed to be spent in remote communities is being redirected to projects that mostly benefit non-indigenous people, such as a $160 million wharf convention complex in Darwin.

Wadeye receives 50 cents in the dollar for the education of a local child compared with the full dollar distributed to children on average across the territory, a recent report found.

Tobias Nganbe, co-principal of Wadeye's school, said only about 100 of the community's 880 children of school age were turning up for classes.

"We need outside help … not Band-Aid solutions but real help," he said.

"There is sheer frustration here … everybody's scared."

 

[TheAnalyst]

Hate stalks a community where gangs rule roost
Members of Wadeye's Evil Warriors gang prepare for another night of fighting with their rivals, the Judas Priest boys. "Somebody's going to die," said Gregory Narndu, 32, one of the gang's leaders.
Photo: Terry Trewin
By Lindsay Murdoch, Wadeye
May 23, 2006

GANG violence has turned the remote indigenous community of Wadeye into a war zone.

People are camping in tents like refugees in their own country, too afraid to return to their homes as two rival gangs run riot through the community, 450 kilometres south-west of Darwin. Scores of others have fled into the bush. Even the gang leaders are frightened.

"Somebody's going to die," said Gregory Narndu, 32, a leader of the Evil Warriors gang. "What can we do? That other mob attacks us with rocks, boulders, spears and anything else they can get hold of," he said.

Almost every day and night the Evil Warriors and their enemy the Judas Priest boys fight a turf war that is threatening the future of the largest Aboriginal community in the Northern Territory.

The situation is so grave, the community's chief executive Terry Bullemor said yesterday, that the local council is looking to evacuate up to 300 threatened people to Darwin, where they could receive basic services.

But the only road to the community remains blocked by wet season floodwaters. Community elders interviewed by The Age yesterday said they would welcome the army to help keep the peace.

Wadeye, a former Catholic mission called Port Keats, looks like a Third World refugee camp. Women and children are often too frightened to walk the streets of the town that nestles into coastal mangroves.

An average of 20 people are living in each sweltering, graffiti-covered house.

Almost half the population of 2500 is under 15. Most teenagers cannot speak English, indicating they have had no formal education. Life expectancy is 20 years less than that of non-indigenous Australians. And an acute housing shortage will worsen over the next two decades as the population doubles.

"Our cry is for help," says Theodora Narndu, Gregory's 54-year-old mother.

Mrs Narndu is one of Wadeye's most respected elders. "Seeing what's happening, my tears are never dry," she says. "I hear the screams at night … terrified women and children … It has never being like this before. Our kids are not safe."

Wadeye has only five full-time police officers.

"When there's trouble around here and I call the police to come and protect my mob they never come," Mrs Narndu says. "Where are the resources that the politicians kept promising us?"

Pleas to boost police numbers to levels that are maintained in the Northern Territory's non-indigenous communities have gone unanswered despite the fact that Wadeye has had law and order problems for years.

The community's only doctor, Patrick Rebgetz, has been told by the Northern Territory Health Department not to speak about the six-year-old boy he recently treated who had been raped.

But Dr Rebgetz refuses to remain silent and insists he can talk as a member of the Australian Medical Association, which has warned that all of the community's 1300 children are at risk.

"Australia should be ashamed at what's happening in remote indigenous communities," Dr Rebgetz told The Age.

"We as Australians need to stand up with these people to reclaim their town from the groups that are trying to destroy it," he said.

Mandy Leggett, a council worker, drives past one of many houses that have been trashed in the rioting that has caused more than $450,000 damage to houses and other property in the past three months.

"Two young kids hid in the roof as they did that one," she says. "Imagine how terrified they were."

Three years ago Wadeye was chosen as a trial site for what politicians called a "bold experiment" to end disadvantage in remote indigenous communities.

They called it the Indigenous Communities Co-ordination Pilots program under the Council of Australian Governments umbrella.

Ministers and other MPs, even Prime Minister John Howard, along with bureaucrats arrived in droves.

But yesterday, as the gangs massed for their daily conflict, the trial was in tatters.

"It's time to walk away," Mrs Narndu said. "What did it get us? Nothing."

Mr Bullemor said the community was angry and frustrated that the trial program never improved the delivery of basic services as the politicians and bureaucrats promised it would.

He said elders were "pretty disheartened" when NT Chief Minister Clare Martin refused last week to attend a national summit with federal Indigenous Affairs Minister Mal Brough, insisting that problems in indigenous communities should be handled through the Council of Australian Governments.


Notice that he the doctor says Australians should be ashamed of em selves...

well i am not....they are responsible for em selves....for the past 30 something yrs politicians have divided this country and funded the black australia policy and the white australia policy...we are not one nation anymore...in victoria blacks and half casts have their own court with softer punishments whilst whites get harsher punishments....for the same crimes

really i dont care what they do as far as they are concerned i took their land and i must keep giving them money.......they fly their own flag at our countries sports events...they take from me us one hand and spit at us with the other....

Our governments fund their every legal complaint in courts but wont provide a white with the same benefit....so can never issue as many legal challenges....

 

[visual]

And in different ways thats what we are all saying,if you somehow allow people to neglect their personal responsability ,these are the results.
Sending more police would only result in more arrests ,hence more deaths in custody,therefore giving the bleeding hearts more reason to bleet about the australian government and its racist ways.

Unfortunately political considerations as we know comes before doing the right thing,so this situation persists.

I`m all for aboriginals retaining their own culture but at the end of the day these people are behaving no better than animals staking their own patch.So as I said earlier if culture have to be modified or deliberately educated out of existence so be it.

 

[TheAnalyst]

To be honest the melbourne gardens fire that was started by a bunch of white men with more white anglo blood than Aboriginal did absolutely nothing for them...actually did you know why they went on watch at different times in the end to keep the fire going and alll of them did not stay there and camp like at the start...and guess what the media did not print it....it was because centrelink was going to cut benefits because they were not actively seeking work.....so to appease centerlink and not have the benefits cut as this is really what came first they abonded the fire and had others appointed by roster so the centerlink benefits were maintained.......tell left wing journalists to print that....lolol....like i said these white fellas posing as Aboriginal are full of it

 

[mista200]

Lets just all agree that the current way we treat aboriginies (handouts galore, different and better treatment thatn non aboriginals) isnt working!!!!!

Maybe if we treated them as "australians" and not aboriginals they we would be better off!

Maybe they wouldnt be the butt of so called racism if they were treated the same as us!