Where is/can Donald Trump take US (sic)?

[basilio]

It appears Alexader Downer was one of the first people to learn from Trumps advisors that the Russians had heisted Hilary Clintons emails.


Trump aide told Australian diplomat Russia had dirt on Clinton – report
George Papadopoulos spoke to high commissioner Alexander Downer at London bar in May 2016, catalyzing FBI investigation, New York Times reports



George Papadopoulos in London. US officials told the NYT it was Papadopoulos’s revelation, not the infamous Steele dossier, that lead to Russia inquiry. Photograph: -/AFP/Getty Images
Sabrina Siddiqui in Washington

Sun 31 Dec ‘17 11.17 AEDT First published on Sun 31 Dec ‘17 08.04 AEDT

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The FBI reportedly launched its investigation into Russian meddling in the 2016 US election after George Papadopoulos, then a foreign policy adviser to Donald Trump, told an Australian diplomat that Moscow had damaging information about Hillary Clinton.

According to a report published by the New York Times on Saturday, Papadopoulos made the revelation to Alexander Downer, the Australian high commissioner to the UK, “during a night of heavy drinking” at the Kensington Wine Rooms in London in May 2016.

Papadopoulos reportedly told Downer that Russian officials possessed thousands of emails that could harm Clinton’s candidacy.

Australia is part of the “Five Eyes” intelligence alliance, with the US, UK, Canada and New Zealand. When WikiLeaks began publishing hacked emails from Democratic officials two months later, Australian officials passed the information to their US counterparts, the Times report stated. The FBI then began its investigation.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...quiry-george-papadopoulos-australian-diplomat

 

[luutzu]

Looks like Trump is about to help liberate the Iranians, again.

Weren't long ago that Nikki Haley gave a speech in front of some recovered Iranian missile... now there's protests and possibly democratic uprising across Iran.

There's a reason why Bush Jr. decided not to proceed with the original plan for Iran. Their military can put up a serious fight. Then there's Russia and China backing them... if anything, it's to spent US resources and getting a mate's rate on the oil and gas for China.

 

[Tisme]

Looks like Trump is about to help liberate the Iranians, again.

Weren't long ago that Nikki Haley gave a speech in front of some recovered Iranian missile... now there's protests and possibly democratic uprising across Iran.

There's a reason why Bush Jr. decided not to proceed with the original plan for Iran. Their military can put up a serious fight. Then there's Russia and China backing them... if anything, it's to spent US resources and getting a mate's rate on the oil and gas for China.

The pipeline of missile funds from North Korea has dried up with the latest round of sanctions. Coupled with bird flu and spending on clerical institutions, the Iranians are starving.

 

[luutzu]

The pipeline of missile funds from North Korea has dried up with the latest round of sanctions. Coupled with bird flu and spending on clerical institutions, the Iranians are starving.

They weren't starving all those years the US and "international community" sanctioned them?

I'm not defending the Iranian, I guess we'd call them "regime"... But come on, even I know these protests aren't grassroots anger bubbling up.

The guys around Trump have been dusting off the old Bush Jr's plan for rid the world of this Axis of Evil. Jr didn't go along with it because Afghanistan and Iraq became a bit of a drain on the budget.

Now that proper accounting, deficit and wars in the Middle East are as common as drones over the Arabian skies, the war hawks in Washington and Tel Aviv might have a chance to sacrifice other people's sons and daughters for good to triumph over evil.

The Comrades in Beijing and Moscow are definitely laughing their azzes off. Well, maybe not Moscow, Beijing for sure though.

You big man, you go fight more evil Arabs and Persians. We yellow man, we take over all of the seas we like. Then we retake Taiwan, then control all access to our Middle Kingdom. Then we push right up to your military bases in the Pacific. Then you either risk nuclear war where we all die, or learn to live with us dominating any region of the world we like.

 

[notting]

But come on, even I know these protests aren't grassroots anger bubbling up.

What you think the citizens of Iran protesting are all on US payroll?
What exactly is making them risk life and limb by rioting in the streets if is not grass roots hunger?
Perhaps it has something to do with the dictatorship shutting down the little free speech they had on social media that was getting a bit accurate with respect to where all the new oil money going whilst inflation is rocketing and unemployment is at 12%?!

Then we retake Taiwan, then control all access to our Middle Kingdom.

Taiwan is China proper. The only 'we' that doesn't control Taiwan is the Chinese Communist Party who does not represent the will of the Chinese people. As they do not in Hong Kong or any of the places the CCP has invaded under the stolen 'name of the Chinese People.' -
Anti-Beijing protesters march in Hong Kong over ‘suppression’
http://www.news.com.au/world/asia/a...n/news-story/adf566da912374315432774015b5b58a

 

[moXJO]

They weren't starving all those years the US and "international community" sanctioned them?

I'm not defending the Iranian, I guess we'd call them "regime"... But come on, even I know these protests aren't grassroots anger bubbling up.

The guys around Trump have been dusting off the old Bush Jr's plan for rid the world of this Axis of Evil. Jr didn't go along with it because Afghanistan and Iraq became a bit of a drain on the budget.

Now that proper accounting, deficit and wars in the Middle East are as common as drones over the Arabian skies, the war hawks in Washington and Tel Aviv might have a chance to sacrifice other people's sons and daughters for good to triumph over evil.

The Comrades in Beijing and Moscow are definitely laughing their azzes off. Well, maybe not Moscow, Beijing for sure though.

You big man, you go fight more evil Arabs and Persians. We yellow man, we take over all of the seas we like. Then we retake Taiwan, then control all access to our Middle Kingdom. Then we push right up to your military bases in the Pacific. Then you either risk nuclear war where we all die, or learn to live with us dominating any region of the world we like.

They weren't starving all those years the US and "international community" sanctioned them?

I'm not defending the Iranian, I guess we'd call them "regime"... But come on, even I know these protests aren't grassroots anger bubbling up.

The guys around Trump have been dusting off the old Bush Jr's plan for rid the world of this Axis of Evil. Jr didn't go along with it because Afghanistan and Iraq became a bit of a drain on the budget.

Now that proper accounting, deficit and wars in the Middle East are as common as drones over the Arabian skies, the war hawks in Washington and Tel Aviv might have a chance to sacrifice other people's sons and daughters for good to triumph over evil.

The Comrades in Beijing and Moscow are definitely laughing their azzes off. Well, maybe not Moscow, Beijing for sure though.

You big man, you go fight more evil Arabs and Persians. We yellow man, we take over all of the seas we like. Then we retake Taiwan, then control all access to our Middle Kingdom. Then we push right up to your military bases in the Pacific. Then you either risk nuclear war where we all die, or learn to live with us dominating any region of the world we like.

China will fail. People have a taste for freedom after being "woke" by the internet.
The west has already infected Asia.

 

[luutzu]

What you think the citizens of Iran protesting are all on US payroll?
What exactly is making them risk life and limb by rioting in the streets if is not grass roots hunger?
Perhaps it has something to do with the dictatorship shutting down the little free speech they had on social media that was getting a bit accurate with respect to where all the new oil money going whilst inflation is rocketing and unemployment is at 12%?!
Taiwan is China proper. The only 'we' that doesn't control Taiwan is the Chinese Communist Party who does not represent the will of the Chinese people. As they do not in Hong Kong or any of the places the CCP has invaded under the stolen 'name of the Chinese People.' -
Anti-Beijing protesters march in Hong Kong over ‘suppression’
http://www.news.com.au/world/asia/a...n/news-story/adf566da912374315432774015b5b58a

What make me think that?

History, both old and recent, as in, two weeks or so recent.

How did the Ukraine gov't got overthrown? Democratic uprising, courtesy of some 100 paid activists led by the CIA. Seriously, true story.

Venezuela... Chavez was overthrown by a people's uprising, so we're told. He evil dictator was locked up for a day or two... then out of nowhere the Venezuelan people marches to the gates of prison where he was held [and about to be send to his Maker I'm sure]... and liberated him. Guest who was behind that one too?

With the current Iranian uprising... I'm sure the Mullahs and Iranian security/police state aren't all nice and sweat. I am definitely sure there are mass anger and general unhappiness etc. etc. BUT...

But people in such countries do not march in the street unless there is some sort of abnormal and heinous miscarriage of justice. You know, something really really bad that finally sparked the flame.

12% unemployment isn't exactly something new or drastic. And not a reason to risk life and imprison when the gov't just negotiated an end to sanctions and more opportunities for trades and foreign investments.

That is until Trump came along and start to rescind the agreement for no legal reason whatsoever.

That and Haley calling Iran bad names, sponsor of terrorism; Even Saudi Arabia, a country that's bombing the crap out of Yemen and literally targets utilities and infrastructure to intentionally starve and sicken the Yemeni into submission... even they got involved in calling Iran bad names, sponsor of terrorism and evil empire stuff.

So the best case scenario here is that certain unhappy and democratic faction in Iran see these unhappiness the West and the Saudis are showing as signs that if you rise up, we'll send in a few advisors follow by a few battalions we parked a few miles away. For freedom, and peace, of course.

But that would be too convenient.

Plans for taking out Iran is not new. It was pushed on, at least as far as I know, Bush Jr and Obama.

Israel has always wanted to take out Iran. It's their only serious rival in the region - others are either allies and colonies of the US so no worries there. Iran is the only state, maybe Turkey is slowly turning away from the US.. i mean, that failed coup didn't help with relations.

Bush and Obama have some ideas of the consequences of taking on Iran. They can be taken, but at a high cost. Once taken, might not be easy to hold. I mean, they can hardly hold Iraq and Afghanistan and those countries were ruled by total bastards no one likes.

Trump haven't a clue about geopolitics. His son-in-law (and senior advisor, seriously, wtf?)... is literally a family friend to Bibi the Yahoo. King Bibi don't just want Jerusalem, he want freedom to act at will anywhere in the region. Can't do it without going nuclear, so Uncle Sam will have to help on this one, again.

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As to China and Taiwan... I heard a lecture where the professor was saying that in all but name, Communist China had already taken over Taiwan.

The comrades have been doing this economically. They buy and invest, permit Taiwanese ruling/corporate elite to invest in China etc. etc. So the economic and financial link is very strong. So strong it's practically a takeover already.

But to keep the status quo, it's hush hush and Uncle Sam can still sell arms to The Republic of China all they want. Just don't send their warships there.

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Again, I'm not saying the iranian gov't, or the Chinese gov't, are nice and sweet. I certainly wouldn't want to live under such pricks. Just you know, it's their country and people should stay out of it.

If anything, it's so the world wouldn't go nuclear on all of us.

 

[luutzu]

China will fail. People have a taste for freedom after being "woke" by the internet.
The west has already infected Asia.

The West has infected Asia long before the Internet. At least 200 years before I reckon.

You and I might know how corrupt and oppressive the Chinese gov't is... I'm not sure the average Chinese know, or if they know, care much for a change in the system.

And if they know and care enough to demand change, it will have to be done internally. Not through foreign intervention. The average Chinese would rather die than work with a foreign power to help their country out.

Can't blame them for that. I mean, the Europeans and the Japanese kinda taught them a lesson or two about playing with strangers and inviting them in.

 

[notting]

it's their country and people should stay out of it.

No it's not the Chinese Communist Parties country. It's the Chinese peoples country and all the world should make sure that the Chinese People get it back and Southern Mongolia, East Turkestan and Tibet are freed from the horrors of the most evil regime that man has ever stooped to. Which is of course the psychopathic Chinese Communist Party who are the proven enemy of all humanity and have full intentions and are implementing the 100 year plan for their psychopathic rule over all the world.

 

[luutzu]

No it's not the Chinese Communist Parties country. It's the Chinese peoples country and all the world should make sure that the Chinese People get it back and Southern Mongolia, East Turkestan and Tibet are freed from the horrors of the most evil regime that man has ever stooped to.

I agree with you. And i did mean it is the people's country, not any regime or party or gov't.

But it is because it's the people's country that they must themselves rise up to change.

To invite any foreign powers in and chances are 100% they will not only replace one group of bastards for another group, they'll also lose their country and its resources too.

An Asian example is a Nguyen lord of Vietnam in the 18th century. He was defeated by the Trinh [from memory]... they sent his armies, what's left of it, packing to the Spratleys.

The French came calling... need a few rifles, a few soldiers and advisors there Mr Nguyen?

Vietnam got split into 3 colonies, Laos and Cambodia complete French IndoChina.

So yea, the people will need to rise up and retake their country, if that's what they want. And you'd be surprised how the comrades are more afraid of the people than the let on.

 

[Tisme]

They weren't starving all those years the US and "international community" sanctioned them?

I'm not defending the Iranian, I guess we'd call them "regime"... But come on, even I know these protests aren't grassroots anger bubbling up.

The guys around Trump have been dusting off the old Bush Jr's plan for rid the world of this Axis of Evil. Jr didn't go along with it because Afghanistan and Iraq became a bit of a drain on the budget.

Now that proper accounting, deficit and wars in the Middle East are as common as drones over the Arabian skies, the war hawks in Washington and Tel Aviv might have a chance to sacrifice other people's sons and daughters for good to triumph over evil.

The Comrades in Beijing and Moscow are definitely laughing their azzes off. Well, maybe not Moscow, Beijing for sure though.

You big man, you go fight more evil Arabs and Persians. We yellow man, we take over all of the seas we like. Then we retake Taiwan, then control all access to our Middle Kingdom. Then we push right up to your military bases in the Pacific. Then you either risk nuclear war where we all die, or learn to live with us dominating any region of the world we like.

You need to come up to speed on this one lu. The easing of sanctions didn't translate into easing the misery of the population, but more gilding of the islamic clerical lily.

 

[Tisme]

Can't blame them for that. I mean, the Europeans and the Japanese kinda taught them a lesson or two about playing with strangers and inviting them in.

I thought the Chinese invented and learned everything before dinosaurs walked he earth? Don't tell me that the Chinese twist the truth, heavens who wouldathunkit!

 

[luutzu]

You need to come up to speed on this one lu. The easing of sanctions didn't translate into easing the misery of the population, but more gilding of the islamic clerical lily.

Yes, Iran is a theocracy so it's not an ideal civil society run by honourable and incorruptible men like the US or Australia. You know, men who thought of nothing but how best to serve the public.

But from historical patterns of genuine popular uprising, the oppressed usually need some abnormally bad tragedy or national outrage to spark a riot. Trump's guys at the CIA ought to know that.

Just look at recent riots in, I don't know, the US of A. One too many black kids gets shot for being black... I mean that's normal but it happen to be caught on camera. We getting the idea right?


As for the current protests/uprising in Iran....
Israel PM and other lover of democracy thought it's a great idea. Trump is obviously supporting the people because, you know, being a man of the people. Niki Haley also supports it, in the press anyway... and why not, she recently did a big Colin-Powell speech about Iran. This time with a proper Iranian "missile" for the backdrop. None of that weak WMD in a vile you shake around business.

I think the idea was for her to then turn around and lift the rusted shell up. Sling it towards Tehran. But the lady has too much class and her bs is more then enough to drive the point about evil terrorist supporting regimes daring to think it somehow have the right to invade and interfere with other country's national defense. Don't they know that that's bad, you can't do that (unless you're us)?

 

[moXJO]

The West has infected Asia long before the Internet. At least 200 years before I reckon.

You and I might know how corrupt and oppressive the Chinese gov't is... I'm not sure the average Chinese know, or if they know, care much for a change in the system.

And if they know and care enough to demand change, it will have to be done internally. Not through foreign intervention. The average Chinese would rather die than work with a foreign power to help their country out.

Can't blame them for that. I mean, the Europeans and the Japanese kinda taught them a lesson or two about playing with strangers and inviting them in.

China censors the internet for a reason. Easiest way to infect minds these days is through social media and a few persuasive plants.
Throw a bit of CIA money at it and away you go.
Chinese in the big cities are on par with shallowness and greed of US or Aus. No one wants to lose their comfortable positions.
And its the guys with money that will scream loudest and fund dissent in the name of "democracy". Thats always been the case though.

 

[luutzu]

I thought the Chinese invented and learned everything before dinosaurs walked he earth? Don't tell me that the Chinese twist the truth, heavens who wouldathunkit!

They were resting on their laurels. After 20,000 years of inventing and creating the world, the people thought it's alright to relax and smoke a bit.

 

[luutzu]

China censors the internet for a reason. Easiest way to infect minds these days is through social media and a few persuasive plants.
Throw a bit of CIA money at it and away you go.
Chinese in the big cities are on par with shallowness and greed of US or Aus. No one wants to lose their comfortable positions.
And its the guys with money that will scream loudest and fund dissent in the name of "democracy". Thats always been the case though.

All states controls the flow of information among their plebs. China just have a few senior comrades owning the operations and a few extra-power to kickazz and dragging popular activists to places no one dared asked its name.

Rich guys, anywhere, don't want democracy. Why on Earth would they want that? Any power is fine as long as it give them money, power and constant job offers - both for themselves and their relatives.

I mean, Li Kar Shing of Hong Kong... He's deep in Red since the transfer of HK. Same with action movie star Jakie Chan etc. etc.

I read the presses before the transfer. These rich guys all have foreign citizenships and said themselves they'll get out the moment it looks bad. 'til then, you gotta make a living. Hence, Chan is now some bigwig with a seat in the People's Congress or something.

Then there's US tech giants falling over themselves to get into China. Bill Gates agrees to literally handing over his Windows OS source codes for "inspection" in the hope of it being permitted on Chinese computers.

Same with Google and mySpace, hahaha... Google and FaceBook didn't do too well after years of being on their knees in Beijing. I think the comrades have their own Chinese version so no need for these there.

Turning to, say, the greatest democracy in the world.... Google, Facebook etc. were recently brought in front of Congress to ask why they didn't do enough to censor "russian" meddling in American democracy and other undesirable speeches.

Then there's the rescinding of Net Neutrality... a literal two-tiered system where if you're a big corporation with deep pockets [and proper corporate welfare creds], you can deliver your info faster then other hippies who's too small, too poor and too out of line.

Reading the Rise and Rise of Kerry Packer. It's an eye opener reading how Australian PMs and their advisors "listen", then do, what the Goana want. Well that's not fair, our great people's representatives don't always do as they're told, they sometimes think for themselves and ask "what would Kerry want", then go ahead and does it.

But yes, at least we get to talk about it and not disappear. So that's a plus.

 

[moXJO]

Democracy in its current form is the illusion of freedom. But it turns huge amounts of money.

I'm not talking about the uber rich. It's all the guys who are just getting some where. The new money that are restrained by current govt. And there is a lot more of them then the old guard.

 

[Tisme]

Yes, Iran is a theocracy so it's not an ideal civil society run by honourable and incorruptible men like the US or Australia. You know, men who thought of nothing but how best to serve the public.

We are not talking about Australia or any other non related subject. The issue is Iran and the uprisings over hunger and lack of amenity.

 

[Tisme]

They were resting on their laurels. After 20,000 years of inventing and creating the world, the people thought it's alright to relax and smoke a bit.

Opium perhaps?

 

[luutzu]

Opium perhaps?

The best opium money can buy.

Good thing for the Chinese the enlightened British fought two wars with them to stop them from using the terrible drug. Oh wait...