Resisting Climate Hysteria

[SirRumpole]

Well firstly Luutzu congratulations on continuing the conversation with Cynic and Noco on what are the most rock solid basics of CC
1) It's real, it's currently overwhelmingly caused by human produced greenhouse gases and it's going to get much worse
2) This reality is acknowledged by the overwhelmingly number of scientists who study the climate and the effects of climate change on our eco systems.

The last pages of pseudo scientific rubbish and outright denial from Cynic and Noco just demonstrate the cognitive impairment that has happened to millions of people as result of a determined disinformation campaign. Yet not a single word of this rubbish will alter the consequences of global warming.

But I'm equally sure that whatever happens in our real world, melting icecaps, record temperatures, collapsing ecosytsems, rising sea levels, the same litany of denial will be rinsed and repeated. If the proponents of this misinformation were ever accessible to demonstrated facts and even the principles of managing perceived risk this "argument" would be long gone.

The thing that amazes me is that this thread has gone 466 pages to date.

What should be obvious from the evidence is still being denied by people who should know better, cockeyed optimists or who simply stick their head in the sand because they can't handle bad news.

You just can't tell some people no matter how hard you try, but I think the deniers are looking weaker by the year as the temperature records continue to be broken.

 

[Knobby22]

Poor Cynic gets his religion and science mixed up.

 

[cynic]

The thing that amazes me is that this thread has gone 466 pages to date.

What should be obvious from the evidence is still being denied by people who should know better, cockeyed optimists or who simply stick their head in the sand because they can't handle bad news.

You just can't tell some people no matter how hard you try, but I think the deniers are looking weaker by the year as the temperature records continue to be broken.

The funny thing about this post is, that, with the exception of the last eight words, I could have wholeheartedly agreed with the entirety of its content!

(Those aware of the dictionary definition of the word "denier", will likely recognise its versatility of application, and thereby understand the intent of my response.)

 

[cynic]

Poor Cynic gets his religion and science mixed up.

A chart illustrating 60 years of data ?!!!

The source of this data ?!!!

And its relevance to the issues I have raised concerning causation are...
What exactly?!!!

 

[cynic]

Well firstly Luutzu congratulations on continuing the conversation with Cynic and Noco on what are the most rock solid basics of CC
1) It's real, it's currently overwhelmingly caused by human produced greenhouse gases and it's going to get much worse
2) This reality is acknowledged by the overwhelmingly number of scientists who study the climate and the effects of climate change on our eco systems.

The last pages of pseudo scientific rubbish and outright denial from Cynic and Noco just demonstrate the cognitive impairment that has happened to millions of people as result of a determined disinformation campaign. Yet not a single word of this rubbish will alter the consequences of global warming.

But I'm equally sure that whatever happens in our real world, melting icecaps, record temperatures, collapsing ecosytsems, rising sea levels, the same litany of denial will be rinsed and repeated. If the proponents of this misinformation were ever accessible to demonstrated facts and even the principles of managing perceived risk this "argument" would be long gone.

I believe that the contents of my post#9291 will probably serve as ample response should you care to consider them.

I invite you to carefully observe the existence of distinctions between, "fact", "opinion", "fact of opinion" and "opinion of fact".

 

[wayneL]

Basilio makes a good point, vis a vis that none of this (even international protocols) will change the consequences of global warming, such as they exist (or not, as the case may be).

These could be nett negative, they could be nett positive, or neutral.

<yawn>

 

[Knobby22]

Don't worry Cynic.
The data shows the CO2 in the atmosphere and in the ocean.
I found the source for you.
The Pope faked it.by stealing Santa's sleigh stopping time and deliberately modifying all the measuring instruments.

 

[cynic]

Don't worry Cynic.
The data shows the CO2 in the atmosphere and in the ocean.
I found the source for you.
The Pope faked it.by stealing Santa's sleigh stopping time and deliberately modifying all the measuring instruments.

Are you able to locate a copy of the police report evidencing the theft of Santa's sleigh?

Was the Pope convicted of the theft during a trial by jury of peers?
If so where is the record of conviction, and from whence were the pontiff's peers sourced?

What relevance does this matter have to the outstanding questions regarding causation?

 

[noco]

Here is all you need to know about the 97% myth.

 

[noco]

More blatant lies about Global Warming.

 

[noco]

Here how this Global Warming scare all started.

 

[luutzu]

Here is all you need to know about the 97% myth.

We feel the same way that polar bear does noco.

Here's the thing... if we're to be tricked and lied to, wouldn't we rather it be the lies those commie greenies socialist and their "Climate Change"?

I mean, they're using "science" and "facts" and their fancy research with their big titles earned after years of studies... those eggheads... all so that we could breathe clean air, drink clean water and not get swept away here, there, everywhere to our doom.

What psychos! Just like our parents lying and tricking us into eating our veggies and not running with scissors or take candies from strangers.

Screw that! Give me a strangers with lots of lollies wanting me to enjoy it in his van any day. He doesn't scare me with "spiders" and "worm" eating my teeth if I don't brush! He's telling me that I could keep doing exactly what I've been doing - enjoying life and buying his stuff.

oh yea, there's so much bs and outright lies in that video noco. It's as if the guy just make up stuff as he goes along.

 

[noco]

We feel the same way that polar bear does noco.

Here's the thing... if we're to be tricked and lied to, wouldn't we rather it be the lies those commie greenies socialist and their "Climate Change"?

I mean, they're using "science" and "facts" and their fancy research with their big titles earned after years of studies... those eggheads... all so that we could breathe clean air, drink clean water and not get swept away here, there, everywhere to our doom.

What psychos! Just like our parents lying and tricking us into eating our veggies and not running with scissors or take candies from strangers.

Screw that! Give me a strangers with lots of lollies wanting me to enjoy it in his van any day. He doesn't scare me with "spiders" and "worm" eating my teeth if I don't brush! He's telling me that I could keep doing exactly what I've been doing - enjoying life and buying his stuff.

oh yea, there's so much bs and outright lies in that video noco. It's as if the guy just make up stuff as he goes along.

I guess it is up to you to prove those video lies......I know you don't like the truth but there is plenty more where those 3 links came from and I will feed you more soon.....\
Have a ice day.

 

[cynic]

We feel the same way that polar bear does noco.

Here's the thing... if we're to be tricked and lied to, wouldn't we rather it be the lies those commie greenies socialist and their "Climate Change"?

I mean, they're using "science" and "facts" and their fancy research with their big titles earned after years of studies... those eggheads... all so that we could breathe clean air, drink clean water and not get swept away here, there, everywhere to our doom.

What psychos! Just like our parents lying and tricking us into eating our veggies and not running with scissors or take candies from strangers.

Screw that! Give me a strangers with lots of lollies wanting me to enjoy it in his van any day. He doesn't scare me with "spiders" and "worm" eating my teeth if I don't brush! He's telling me that I could keep doing exactly what I've been doing - enjoying life and buying his stuff.

oh yea, there's so much bs and outright lies in that video noco. It's as if the guy just make up stuff as he goes along.

From your post, it seems that you consider that video to contain a blend of misinformation (i.e. "bs and outright lies").

Whilst I myself, certainly experienced it as opinionated, I happen to be fairly much in agreement with the overall opinion being expressed, so didn't feel any great need to decry it, despite its apparent subjectivity.

Given that there were a lot of statements (albeit opinionated) being made, I wonder if there were some things being said that you might, perchance, believe to be true.

Do you, perchance , believe any of the historical examples, given to highlight some issues surrounding subscription to scientific consensus, to be true?

 

[basilio]

Global Warming - Climate Change Facts on the ground

Perhaps worth looking at how rising sea levels driven by global warming are affecting Florida. The key issue is what happens when people realise their properties are going under and will effectively be worthless? When does realty sink in ?
Back to Canberra Times
The nightmare scenario for Florida’s coastal homeowners – sea levels rising

Apr 21, 2017 Christopher Flavelle
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On a predictably gorgeous South Florida afternoon, Coral Gables mayor Jim Cason sat in his office overlooking the white-linen restaurants of this affluent seaside community and wondered when climate change would bring it all to an end. He figured it would involve a boat.


When Cason first started worrying about sea-level rise, he asked his staff to count not just how much coastline the city had (75 kilometres) or value of the property along that coast ($4.65 billion). He also told them to find out how many boats dock inland from the bridges that span the city’s canals (302). What matters, he guessed, will be the first time a mast fails to clear the bottom of one of those bridges because the water level had risen too far.


“These boats are going to be the canary in the mine,” said Cason, who became mayor in 2011 after retiring from the U.S. foreign service. “When the boats can’t go out, the property values go down.”


If property values start to fall, Cason said, banks could stop writing 30-year mortgages for coastal homes, shrinking the pool of able buyers and sending prices lower still. Those properties make up a quarter of the city’s tax base; if that revenue fell, the city would struggle to provide the services that make it such a desirable place to live, causing more sales and another drop in revenue.


And all of that could happen before the rising sea consumes a single home.

http://www.allhomes.com.au/news/the...homeowners-sea-levels-rising-20170421-gvp5t8/

 

[basilio]

So if we are looking at videos re Climate Change as Liberal Hoax consider the contribution of Noam Chomsky

 

[noco]

Global Warming - Climate Change Facts on the ground

Perhaps worth looking at how rising sea levels driven by global warming are affecting Florida. The key issue is what happens when people realise their properties are going under and will effectively be worthless? When does realty sink in ?
Back to Canberra Times
The nightmare scenario for Florida’s coastal homeowners – sea levels rising

Apr 21, 2017 Christopher Flavelle
Play
0:01
/

On a predictably gorgeous South Florida afternoon, Coral Gables mayor Jim Cason sat in his office overlooking the white-linen restaurants of this affluent seaside community and wondered when climate change would bring it all to an end. He figured it would involve a boat.


When Cason first started worrying about sea-level rise, he asked his staff to count not just how much coastline the city had (75 kilometres) or value of the property along that coast ($4.65 billion). He also told them to find out how many boats dock inland from the bridges that span the city’s canals (302). What matters, he guessed, will be the first time a mast fails to clear the bottom of one of those bridges because the water level had risen too far.


“These boats are going to be the canary in the mine,” said Cason, who became mayor in 2011 after retiring from the U.S. foreign service. “When the boats can’t go out, the property values go down.”


If property values start to fall, Cason said, banks could stop writing 30-year mortgages for coastal homes, shrinking the pool of able buyers and sending prices lower still. Those properties make up a quarter of the city’s tax base; if that revenue fell, the city would struggle to provide the services that make it such a desirable place to live, causing more sales and another drop in revenue.


And all of that could happen before the rising sea consumes a single home.

http://www.allhomes.com.au/news/the...homeowners-sea-levels-rising-20170421-gvp5t8/

Unfortunately your video did not work.

 

[explod]

Good couple of posts Bas. Noam Chomsky in particular.

The video worked perfectly for me noco.

 

[noco]

So if we are looking at videos re Climate Change as Liberal Hoax consider the contribution of Noam Chomsky

Bas, I watched that video from the beginning to the end and 99% Noam Chomsky's rhetoric was about USA politics and bugger all about Climate Change......No detail...No graphs and I am a bit bewildered why you even posted it.

Noam Chomsky is a Philosopher and political activist and does not appear to have too much knowledge on Climate Change.

I hope you watch the video below from beginning to end of which may give you a different perspective of on the this Global Warming scam.....This presentation gives you some real data which debunks all the information presented by alarmists who follow their creed for the sake of funding.

 

[basilio]

The Great Global Warming swindle was a swindle Noco. A confabulated bunch of distorted graphs, made up non facts and completely false unscientific nonsense.
It was a creature of the "creation of doubt" brigade that was trying to stop the momentum of the Stern Review which in 2006 announced that climate change was very real and that the economic effects dictated a whole world response. The review was commissioned by the British Treasury and represented the most holistic economic review of the consequences of unabated global warming. "Swindle" was a way of throw mud at the review.

For full details of the lies and misrepresentations on "Swindle" see
http://ossfoundation.us/projects/environment/global-warming/myths

For an overview of the Stern Review see
http://mudancasclimaticas.cptec.inpe.br/~rmclima/pdfs/destaques/sternreview_report_complete.pdf
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stern_Review
The Wiki article summarises the main points as well as criticism of the reveiw