Resisting Climate Hysteria

[noco]

Not only the old Chap but my Brother, Sister and other locals say that this season (winter) has been very very different here at Bendigo and district.

And calling me a young fella at 70 is not going to sway that. Your vehemence indicates where the set mind is lol.

I was a working plumber before you were born......You are still only a boy to me.

You were still in liquid form when I was in uniform.

 

[Tisme]

It must be Global Warming from burning all those nasty fossil fuels......We have to close down all those coal mine or else we will all perish.

There certainly seems to be a fluctuating set of circumstances that variously reports increased ice, reduced ice, early melt, etc.

 

[explod]

I was a working plumber before you were born......You are still only a boy to me.

You were still in liquid form when I was in uniform.

And whats all that got to do with the price of eggs, being a plumber and being around longer. A Brother is a plumber and all he knows about the weather would fit on sixpence. Except for golf and the footy.

 

[noco]

And whats all that got to do with the price of eggs, being a plumber and being around longer. A Brother is a plumber and all he knows about the weather would fit on sixpence. Except for golf and the footy.

You are still only a young fellow in my eyes.

 

[explod]

You are still only a young fellow in my eyes.

Still cannot understand what difference age makes.

Your infatuation with it makes me start to believe that you are a 35 year old troll representing the oil or coal lobby. A lot of immaturity coming through.

 

[trainspotter]

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[trainspotter]

Gee ... they were quick to extinguish that little flare up weren't they?

SA weather: State-wide power loss raises 'serious questions', Josh Frydenberg says

Senator Xenophon linked the incident to South Australia's reliance on renewable energy.

"I support renewable energy, I support the Renewable Energy Target, but it's how you achieve it and how you achieve sensible greenhouse gas reduction policies," he said.

"This has not been sensible, it has been reckless — we have relied too much on wind rather than baseload renewables, rather than baseload power, including gas which is a fossil fuel but it is 50 per cent cleaner than coal and a good transitional fuel."

"We need a full independent inquiry. What I'm worried about now is that there are many vulnerable people in my home state that are at real risk of their health so we need to deal with that — this is an emergency."

"This is a textbook case of how not to do it and I cannot fathom, I can't believe, that my state is in darkness at the moment."

"This should not have happened and if heads have to roll, so be it."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-09-...ons'-must-be-answered-frydenberg-says/7886262

SA weather: No link between blackout and renewable energy, experts say

"There's no evidence to suggest this was caused by too much wind power, or the dependence on wind power, or anything else, or would've been any different if any of the power stations that had been shut down earlier this year had still been operating.

"If you've got a wind farm or a coal-fired power station at the end of a transmission line, and that system either is taken out by a storm or is forced to shut down to protect itself from a storm, it doesn't matter what the energy source is."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-09-...n-blackout-and-renewables-expert-says/7887052

 

[macca]

And just like that - no more global warming ... *AHEM* ... climate change.



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[basilio]

Good read, thanks for the link

Fascinating...And you actually believe this story ?

I'd love to but frankly it is so bereft of any fact I suspect it is just another creative scam.

Love to be proven wrong of course

http://jalopnik.com/the-supercar-that-runs-using-saltwater-is-likely-bullsh-1637600538
https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/nanoflowcell-quant-quantino.28239/page-2

 

[sptrawler]

So now we have to worry about an ice age.

http://www.perthnow.com.au/technolo...k/news-story/6fca3f44843a1a444ae7b841dfd8ee56

When will it end, first we are going to cook, now we're going to freeze.:1zhelp:

 

[noco]

So now we have to worry about an ice age.

http://www.perthnow.com.au/technolo...k/news-story/6fca3f44843a1a444ae7b841dfd8ee56

When will it end, first we are going to cook, now we're going to freeze.:1zhelp:

This not good news for the Green/Labor socialists alarmist....Will it debunk all their Global Warming scare tactics...I hope so although I doubt I will ever see it.?

 

[luutzu]

So now we have to worry about an ice age.

http://www.perthnow.com.au/technolo...k/news-story/6fca3f44843a1a444ae7b841dfd8ee56

When will it end, first we are going to cook, now we're going to freeze.:1zhelp:

It depends on where you live. Same for flooding from rising sea level - those by the shores will get flooded, those in the inner cities will get a new beach front estate.

Humans and animals are quite fragile. A few degrees too much for too long and they could die, or severely weaken... then bacteria and diseases will get out of control and they're gone.

Maybe half the world's population do not live in air-conditioned or otherwise enclosed environment. Most of those live under tin sheds with a few slats of timber of fabric as walls.

If extreme weather event heat or snap freeze their area for a bit, they die... first goes to young and elderly. Enough heat and their nearby water resource (lake or pond) will be dried and shared more with less... they die from that too.

 

[Tisme]

This not good news for the Green/Labor socialists alarmist....Will it debunk all their Global Warming scare tactics...I hope so although I doubt I will ever see it.?

Wonder what happens when the sun fires up again and the atmosphere has accumulated even more airbourne crap to keep the heat in?

 

[noco]

Wonder what happens when the sun fires up again and the atmosphere has accumulated even more airborne crap to keep the heat in?

I guess you will have to keep wondering in your good old fashion way......There is one thing for sure, nobody can control the activities of Sun.....It is not a wonder the Green/Labor coalition have not blamed the burning of fossil fuels on Earth as the culprit...

 

[luutzu]

I guess you will have to keep wondering in your good old fashion way......There is one thing for sure, nobody can control the activities of Sun.....It is not a wonder the Green/Labor coalition have not blamed the burning of fossil fuels on Earth as the culprit...

Human can't control the sun or the stars, but their activities can turn the earth into a glass house though.

So instead of putting glass panes in the back garden, all them exhaust from planes, trains, automobiles and factories and power stations slowly creating a glass-like effect in the atmosphere.

 

[wayneL]

Heretic!!!!

https://www.theguardian.com/environ...by-end-of-century-robots-will-have-taken-over

Still pretty pessimistic, but interesting comments:

What has changed dramatically, however, is his position on climate change. He now says: “Anyone who tries to predict more than five to 10 years is a bit of an idiot, because so many things can change unexpectedly.” But isn’t that exactly what he did last time we met? “I know,” he grins teasingly. “But I’ve grown up a bit since then.”

Lovelock now believes that “CO2 is going up, but nowhere near as fast as they thought it would. The computer models just weren’t reliable. In fact,” he goes on breezily, “I’m not sure the whole thing isn’t crazy, this climate change. You’ve only got to look at Singapore. It’s two-and-a-half times higher than the worst-case scenario for climate change, and it’s one of the most desirable cities in the world to live in.”

Lovelock maintains that, unlike most environmentalists, he is a rigorous empiricist, but it is manifestly clear that he enjoys maddening the green movement. “Well, it’s a religion, really, you see. t’s totally unscientific.”

 

[Tisme]

Heretic!!!!

https://www.theguardian.com/environ...by-end-of-century-robots-will-have-taken-over

Still pretty pessimistic, but interesting comments:

I would never have considered Singapore " one of the most desirable cities in the world to live in".

 

[Knobby22]

I would never have considered Singapore " one of the most desirable cities in the world to live in".

I was there last year for 3 weeks. Fantastic place to live, I could live there tomorrow for the rest of my life, however being an island it is forced to resort to energy imports however they are building large solar facilities and their use of public transport and driverless taxis (they are trialling them now), shows that the high grid energy use is due more to how their ports and infrastructure works.

Their total energy use per capita is half of that of Germany, Australia or the USA. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_electricity_consumption

Lovelock's comments are selective, unscientific, factually wrong and his conclusion doesn't really agree with the previous statements. I respect the guy though. I think, as a notable attention seeker, he is looking to be noticed again, the guy is 97 and enjoys a bit of publicity.

His history is chequered though, look up his stance on CFCs in the 70's where he fought to stop their removal.
His Gaia hypothesis is obvious crap but I really like the beauty of it. I agree with his stance on nuclear energy to some extent but I don't think financially it really stacks up in most cases within the modern world.

He has the right to poke a stick at the overly serious Green movement. At least he has a more open world view.

 

[Tisme]

I was there last year for 3 weeks. Fantastic place to live, I could live there tomorrow for the rest of my life, however being an island it is forced to resort to energy imports however they are building large solar facilities and their use of public transport and driverless taxis (they are trialling them now), shows that the high grid energy use is due more to how their ports and infrastructure works.

Great place to visit, but for me I could see it becoming boring. I once toyed with KL, but after many visits I realised the unrelenting climate and asian mono culture of toil is not for me.

 

[wayneL]

Lovelock's comments are selective, unscientific, factually wrong and his conclusion doesn't really agree with the previous statements.

This is the same problem with the whole climate science arena.