Resisting Climate Hysteria

[wayneL]

Noco the above does not explain why the ocean level is rising 10mm per year everywhere.

10mm?

Cites please.

 

[SirRumpole]

Tsk tsk. Is that all you have? You have to lie to think you're taking a shot at me?

One day Im going to find you and ask you to justify this sort of crap to my face. I'm punting you wont have the cajones.

No evidence then ?

 

[basilio]

No evidence then ?

Clearly...

But if one was looking for analysis of what is happening to our sea levels and why this reference might be useful

http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/science_and_impacts/impacts/causes-of-sea-level-rise.html

 

[SirRumpole]

And one from CSIRO

http://www.cmar.csiro.au/sealevel/

 

[basilio]

Quote Originally Posted by SirRumpole View Post
No evidence then ?

Clearly...

But if one was looking for analysis of what is happening to our sea levels and why this reference might be useful

http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming...evel-rise.html

But if that wasn't good enough these sources could offer similar explanations. (But I'm not sure if they arn't part of the world wide conspiracy network..

https://www.environment.gov.au/climate-change/climate-science/climate-change-future/sea-level
http://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/sealevelclimate.html
http://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/
http://www.learnnc.org/lp/editions/cede_sealevel/365
http://ocean.nationalgeographic.com/ocean/critical-issues-sea-level-rise/
http://www.theguardian.com/environm...oct/30/new-research-quantifies-sea-level-rise
http://www.cmar.csiro.au/sealevel/downloads/SLR_PA.pdf

 

[basilio]

What absolutely gets up my nose about this "furious" non debate on CC is the steadfast refusal by most climate change deniers to acknowledge the validity of moving to a clean, renewable energy based society. In my view it paints them as just sock puppets for the coal and oil lobby whose sole intention is to derail attempts to recast our energy future.

This has been brought up a number of times and in my eyes could be a point of agreement amongst people who might disagree with how significant CC is and the effects it can have. If we agreed that, as useful as fossil fuels have been in the past, we now have the technology to re power our world cleanly and long term, we could move in a decisive, constructive manner and bypass this fruitless bickering

That was actually the argument put by the recent CEO of the NAB Cameron Clyne. I posted his story previously. So far no comments

http://www.theguardian.com/environme...rmer-nab-chief

 

[SirRumpole]

What absolutely gets up my nose about this "furious" non debate on CC is the steadfast refusal by most climate change deniers to acknowledge the validity of moving to a clean, renewable energy based society. In my view it paints them as just sock puppets for the coal and oil lobby whose sole intention is to derail attempts to recast our energy future.

This has been brought up a number of times and in my eyes could be a point of agreement amongst people who might disagree with how significant CC is and the effects it can have. If we agreed that, as useful as fossil fuels have been in the past, we now have the technology to re power our world cleanly and long term, we could move in a decisive, constructive manner and bypass this fruitless bickering

That was actually the argument put by the recent CEO of the NAB Cameron Clyne. I posted his story previously. So far no comments

http://www.theguardian.com/environme...rmer-nab-chief

And others too:

Rockefeller family sells out of fossil fuels and into clean energy

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/...ut-of-fossil-fuels-and-into-clean-energy.html

 

[explod]

I have noted for awhile Bas that what cannot be refuted is ignored wherby no further discussion takes place and thereby has low exposure.

Put one up the other day on the deterioration of northern australian coastal vegitation. Ignored.

It is very clear who is behind the denier camp.

 

[cynic]

I have noted for awhile Bas that what cannot be refuted is ignored wherby no further discussion takes place and thereby has low exposure.

Put one up the other day on the deterioration of northern australian coastal vegitation. Ignored.

It is very clear who is behind the denier camp.

It seems you are asking the so called "denier camp" to do your homework for you and then dissing them for non compliance with such an unreasonable expectation.

 

[wayneL]

1/ @ bas and plod, Where are the cites for 10mm per year

2/ @ Horace, what do you want me to supply evidence of?

 

[noco]

and when the atolls sinks, it displaced the water. Hence the rising sea level

Next it'll be all due to too many boatpeople and illegals floating around displacing water.

luutzu, I believe I have have given you a satisfactory answer...If you cannot accept it then you perhaps you should do some more research yourself...Go to google I am sure you will get confirmation from different links on that site similar to one I gave you.

 

[Tisme]

1/ @ bas and plod, Where are the cites for 10mm per year

2/ @ Horace, what do you want me to supply evidence of?

I jut got home googled BBC and found this:


http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36255749

Five tiny Pacific islands have disappeared amid rising seas and erosion, Australian researchers say.
The missing islands, part of the Solomon Archipelago, were not inhabited by human beings.
But six other islands were found to have seen swathes of land turn into sea, destroying entire villages.
The researchers say it is the first scientific confirmation of the impact of climate change on Pacific coastlines.
The study, published in Environmental Research Letters, looked at 33 islands using aerial and satellite imagery from 1947 to 2014, combined with historical insight and local knowledge.
It found that the archipelago had seen sea levels rise as much as as 10mm (0.4in) every year for the past two decades.

 

[Tisme]

Noco the above does not explain why the ocean level is rising 10mm per year everywhere.

I did ask Noco to post anything that might help explain if the sea is rising, the islands are sinking or any facsimile in between.

Thankyou for the effort Noco

 

[SirRumpole]

1/ @ bas and plod, Where are the cites for 10mm per year

2/ @ Horace, what do you want me to supply evidence of?

Are you saying that the islands that are going under are actually sinking, rather that the sea levels rising ?

 

[noco]

I jut got home googled BBC and found this:


http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36255749

I did notice more information further down as high lighted but that report does not elaborate on what they mean by "DOES NOT RESULT FROM SEA LEVELS ALONE"
.


However, the report stresses that the inundation does not result from rising sea levels alone.

It found that shoreline recession was substantially worse in areas exposed to high wave energy, and that extreme events and inappropriate development were also factors contributing to the erosion.


Like many reports and findings, conflict does occurs.....I guess anyone can choose according to their political beliefs or a particular persuasions to satisfy their needs.

 

[basilio]

I did notice more information further down as high lighted but that report does not elaborate on what they mean by "DOES NOT RESULT FROM SEA LEVELS ALONE"
.


However, the report stresses that the inundation does not result from rising sea levels alone.

It found that shoreline recession was substantially worse in areas exposed to high wave energy, and that extreme events and inappropriate development were also factors contributing to the erosion.


Like many reports and findings, conflict does occurs.....I guess anyone can choose according to their political beliefs or a particular persuasions to satisfy their needs.

Nice work Noco. You read the whole article and noticed there were additional factors at play along with the rise in sea levels.

So accepting all that if the sea levels continue to rise as per the scientific survey would we expect other Pacific Island to be overrun as the oceans continue to rise ?

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PS: Wayne. Are you happy with that reference re sea level rises or are they part of the WWC as well ? (World Wide Conspiracy ..)

 

[wayneL]

I jut got home googled BBC and found this:


http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36255749

Tisyou,

Unlike others in this thread, I note you are capable of critical thinking. I invite you to employ this skill when examining this situation.

 

[wayneL]

Are you saying that the islands that are going under are actually sinking, rather that the sea levels rising ?

I haven't examined the particular islands mentioned, however it is noteworthy that some islands are gaining land mass while others losing it.

Do you think this may be indicative of something?

 

[SirRumpole]

I haven't examined the particular islands mentioned, however it is noteworthy that some islands are gaining land mass while others losing it.

Do you think this may be indicative of something?

Feel free to state your theory.

 

[basilio]

Wayne, I thought the issue of whether some islands might accumulate land mass while others lose it was separate to the issue of overall sea level rises ?
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Just looking at local community responses to developing renewable energy alternatives. There is a great story in The Guardian highlighting the work of Yackandandah in become self sufficient in renewable energy. Worth a read

Australia's regions already have an energy crisis – and a climate of investment is the answer

Community energy groups are coming up with renewable energy schemes. Shouldn’t government extend a hand to help them?
The 2015 Uralla Lantern Parade. Uralla is one of numerous communities addressing renewable energy directly.


Matthew Charles-Jones

Thursday 12 May 2016 09.26 AEST
Last modified on Thursday 12 May 2016 12.10 AEST


Yackandandah, like most Australian towns, has had its ups and its downs. One of its biggest ups was the north-east Victorian gold rush. By the 1890s our town was full of miners toiling to extract what was left of its alluvial gold. The only thing holding these folks back was an energy crisis. The miners were unable to source the power needed to sluice and dredge or crush the ore. The solution was a water race from high up on the West Kiewa river, which wasn’t the brainchild of government, or even the mines department – but rather a local man.

John Wallace, a Yackandandah resident, recognised a problem that needed immediate action and set about solving it.

Many people living outside of Australia’s cities are now observing a new energy crisis and, once again, it is from within these small communities that solutions are emerging. While policy makers dither and draft lifeless strategies, those outside of the political bubble have no time to waste as they already face the realities of climate change on a daily basis. With every hotter month, with every failing crop and with an ever increasing bushfire threat, those who live in rural and regional Australia are desperately looking within for climate change solutions – and acting.

Capturing the spirit of Wallace, our small community group Totally Renewable Yackandandah (TRY) is pushed by necessity to get on with putting new energy solutions in place.

We started by being ambitious: setting a Yackandandah renewable energy target of 100% renewable electricity by the year 2022. It won’t be easy but real change rarely is – as Wallace would vouch.

http://www.theguardian.com/sustaina...sis-and-a-climate-of-investment-is-the-answer

And guess who will be the main speaker at a fund raiser to help Yackandandah become energy self sufficient?

(You'll have to check out the story and follow the links to find out)