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Yeah. I thought it was a big deal for the Queensland Tourism operators to bit the bullet and say publicly what everyone knows is happening - the reef is being killed by climate change and pollution. So clearly if we want a Great Barrier Reef we have to stop the pollution and tackle CC. No more BS.

By the way did anyone see that the Environment Minister Greg Hunt is arguing that here is no definite link between the Adani coal mine and CC ? Very sophisticated argument indeed. Can't wait to see his take on smoking, asbestos etc. ....


Greg Hunt: no definite link between coal from Adani mine and climate change

Australia’s environment minister denies he failed to consider impact of a coal mine on the Great Barrier Reef, court documents show
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http://www.theguardian.com/australi...definite-link-between-coal-and-climate-change
 
orr said:
Please turn your attentions to these misdirected souls

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from a Queensland publication.

note, the letter is abridged to the actual sent to the PrimeMinister. as are the published signatories.
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:crap::crap::crap:

First of all the letter is undated.

Secondly, I regard it as a $iss poor effort by the Greens to only secure 84 signatures when given the fact there are 400,000 small business operators in Queensland so that represents .021%......Say a quarter of those 400.000 operate in North Queensland it still only represents .084 of one %.

If the Greens had rattled up 8,400 signatures then, I believe they may have made a point.

But 84 is only a drip in the bucket and there is no way such a minority should be allowed to have any influence what so ever.....They are nothing more than a collection of "RAT BAGS".

The Barrier Reef will survive just as it has done for 500,000 years...The ulterior motive of the Greens is to destroy the Australian economy in order to convert to socialism...The more often the Greens promote their propaganda on Global Warming..oops sorry Climate Change the more chance they have of brainwashing the naive into believing they are right......The are "WOLVES IN SHEEP'S CLOTHING".
 
basilio said:
Yeah. I thought it was a big deal for the Queensland Tourism operators to bit the bullet and say publicly what everyone knows is happening - the reef is being killed by climate change and pollution. So clearly if we want a Great Barrier Reef we have to stop the pollution and tackle CC. No more BS.

By the way did anyone see that the Environment Minister Greg Hunt is arguing that here is no definite link between the Adani coal mine and CC ? Very sophisticated argument indeed. Can't wait to see his take on smoking, asbestos etc. ....



http://www.theguardian.com/australi...definite-link-between-coal-and-climate-change
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You say a big deal by Queensland tourism operators....less than a third of those signatures are tourist operators.

Where do you get the idea that saying publicly "WHAT EVERYONE KNOWS IS HAPPENING"?.....Who is everyone?..Do you mean everyone who is associated with Greens or do you mean everyone in Queensland.?

The good old commo paper the Guardian are at it again.

Michael Slezak would have to be a good little Greenie to be working as a reporter for the Guardian....He is not even a Climate Scientist.


http://michaelslezak.com/

Michael Slezak

Journalist
About me


I’m the environment reporter for The Guardian in Australia.

Before that, I wrote about science and its effect on the world for New Scientist. And earlier I was a full-time medical journalist and freelanced for publications around the world about a variety of topics.

Prior to becoming a journalist I studied, researched and taught philosophy of science at The University of Sydney.

You can see a selection of my published work here.

I’ve won and been nominated for a few awards recently:

2015
- My feature ‘Aliens versus predators: The toxic toad invasion‘ was selected for inclusion in the book Best Australian Science Writing 2015.
- I was shortlisted for the 2015 Bragg UNSW Press Prize for Science Writing, for my feature, ’Aliens versus predators: The toxic toad invasion‘.

2014
- Winner of “Article of the Year” in the Publishers’ Australia Excellence awards for my feature “High as a Kiwi“.
- My feature ‘The Now Delusion‘ was selected for inclusion in Best Australian Science Writing 2014, published by NewSouth Books.
- Runner-up for “Journalist of the Year” in the Publishers’ Australia Excellence awards.
- Runner up for the Luminous Award for Cancer reporting for my report “Making of a Monster“.
- One of three finalists in Australia’s top science journalism prize, The Eureka Prize for Science Journalism.

2013
- I won the Luminous Award for “Best Cancer-Related Feature – Print” for my report: ‘Fighting Cancer Darwin’s Way‘.
 
No NOCO "everyone" are the people who can see with their own eyes how much of the Reef is now bleached.

The letter is current and represents quite a change for the tourist industry which until now has preferred to keep quiet about the dangers to the reef because they are afraid it will put people off. Now they have decided they HAVE to have a go at protecting the asset upon which they live.

These guys get no joy from seeing the reef turn to dust Noco. This is for real. No fairy tales or fairy dust.
 
Bas, I am impressed just how much cognitive bias and logical fallacy you can shoehorn into so few words.

Kudos to you, it's a rare skill.
 
wayneL said:
Bas, I am impressed just how much cognitive bias and logical fallacy you can shoehorn into so few words.

Kudos to you, it's a rare skill.
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Easy to say, harder to justify.


Could you give some examples of what you think are basilio's logical fallacies ?
 
basilio said:
No NOCO "everyone" are the people who can see with their own eyes how much of the Reef is now bleached.

The letter is current and represents quite a change for the tourist industry which until now has preferred to keep quiet about the dangers to the reef because they are afraid it will put people off. Now they have decided they HAVE to have a go at protecting the asset upon which they live.

These guys get no joy from seeing the reef turn to dust Noco. This is for real. No fairy tales or fairy dust.
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REAL in the eyes of a minority FFS.....Get it into your head sport, the reef is 500,000 years old......it has been through thousands of stressful years and has always recovered......Climate change......cyclones.....crown of thorns star fish....El nino....drought.....high and low water temperatures...... natural flood run off from major rivers over centuries.....Have you ever flown over major rivers in flood and observed how far out that silt travels into the Barrier Reef?...Well I have.....Fortunately the Burdekin dam has prevented that happening since 1973 although the reef is probably furtherest from the coast at that point.....The reef is closer to the coast around Cairns and Innsifail where it could possibly be affected more by coastal river run off from floods.

How can the reef turn to dust when it is underwater .....some of those corals are down 90 meters....Bleaching occurs close to the surface where it is more visible.

I suggest you take a Bex powder and lay down for a while.


Those Green reports are grossly exaggerated in order to fulfill their hidden agenda....Believe a quarter of what you hear and a half of what you read and you will be somewhere new the mark.
 
noco said:
REAL in the eyes of a minority FFS.....Get it into your head sport, the reef is 500,000 years old......it has been through thousands of stressful years and has always recovered......Climate change......cyclones.....crown of thorns star fish....El nino....drought.....high and low water temperatures...... natural flood run off from major rivers over centuries.....Have you ever flown over major rivers in flood and observed how far out that silt travels into the Barrier Reef?...Well I have.....Fortunately the Burdekin dam has prevented that happening since 1973 although the reef is probably furtherest from the coast at that point.....The reef is closer to the coast around Cairns and Innsifail where it could possibly be affected more by coastal river run off from floods.

How can the reef turn to dust when it is underwater .....some of those corals are down 90 meters....Bleaching occurs close to the surface where it is more visible.

I suggest you take a Bex powder and lay down for a while.


Those Green reports are grossly exaggerated in order to fulfill their hidden agenda....Believe a quarter of what you hear and a half of what you read and you will be somewhere new the mark.
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Which quarter of your writing should we believe noco?

From "I suggest..." me think.

btw, how does Alberta in Canada caught fire?

I never thought it would be possible to have bushfire up that far. And near the tar sands too.

On unrelated news, China is expected to be out of water by 2030.

With only 3% of the water in Shanghai suitable for drinking; half of all its rivers since the 1950s dead and dried... we better hope their new $80B project to bring water from Tibet somewhere didn't no nuclear with India or else a war looks like a perfect thing to do when your people are thirsty.
 
SirRumpole said:
Easy to say, harder to justify.


Could you give some examples of what you think are basilio's logical fallacies ?
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I'm working today Horace, so I don't have time to intellectually spoon feed you. They're easy to spot just read any post.
 
luutzu said:
Which quarter of your writing should we believe noco?

From "I suggest..." me think.

btw, how does Alberta in Canada caught fire?

I never thought it would be possible to have bushfire up that far. And near the tar sands too.

On unrelated news, China is expected to be out of water by 2030.

With only 3% of the water in Shanghai suitable for drinking; half of all its rivers since the 1950s dead and dried... we better hope their new $80B project to bring water from Tibet somewhere didn't no nuclear with India or else a war looks like a perfect thing to do when your people are thirsty.
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Dear luutzu, here is a link for all you need to know about wild fires in Canada and the USA going back to the 1825.....It gives you the dates, the area wiped out and the number of people killed.
Please do enjoy the reading and the historical facts not only in Canada but world wide.

Also have a look at extreme bush fires in Australia dating back to 1851.

You only believe in a quarter of the Green propaganda...You can believe in 100% of actual facts as I have indicated......The happenings of the past.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wildfires
 
noco said:
Dear luutzu, here is a link for all you need to know about wild fires in Canada and the USA going back to the 1825.....It gives you the dates, the area wiped out and the number of people killed.
Please do enjoy the reading and the historical facts not only in Canada but world wide.

Also have a look at extreme bush fires in Australia dating back to 1851.

You only believe in a quarter of the Green propaganda...You can believe in 100% of actual facts as I have indicated......The happenings of the past.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wildfires
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Interesting. Didn't know it fires in Alaska either.

Stand corrected then.


btw, how do you explain the frequencies of bushfires in North America from that list?

From 1825 to 2000, there seem as much bushfire as there has been from 2000 to now.

16 years have seen around the same number of major bushfires as the previous 175 years.


We can explain, say, the less frequent fires prior to 2000 were due to natural built up of dead wood and dried grass over decades or years.

More frequent fires now might be due to the same trees and grass dying a lot more frequently?
 
SirRumpole said:
Thought so, you've got nothing.
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Easy one Horace, spot the strawman argument in bas' last post. Can you see it? It's a clanger mate.

Wiki has the basics on these concepts, you should educate yourself.
 
luutzu said:
Interesting. Didn't know it fires in Alaska either.

Stand corrected then.


btw, how do you explain the frequencies of bushfires in North America from that list?

From 1825 to 2000, there seem as much bushfire as there has been from 2000 to now.

16 years have seen around the same number of major bushfires as the previous 175 years.


We can explain, say, the less frequent fires prior to 2000 were due to natural built up of dead wood and dried grass over decades or years.

More frequent fires now might be due to the same trees and grass dying a lot more frequently?
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The simple explanation is 4 out of 5 fires are started by humans....We now have a much higher population where this is more likely contrary to the answer as expected from Rumpy who does not have a clue.

http://www.weatherwizkids.com/weather-wildfire.htm

What causes a wildfire?
Common causes of wildfires include lightning, human carelessness, arson, volcano eruption, and pyroclastic cloud from active volcano. Heat waves, droughts, and cyclical climate changes such as El Niño can also have a dramatic effect on the risk of wildfires. Although, more than four out of every five wildfires are caused by people.
Wildfire
 
noco said:
The simple explanation is 4 out of 5 fires are started by humans....We now have a much higher population where this is more likely contrary to the answer as expected from Rumpy who does not have a clue.

http://www.weatherwizkids.com/weather-wildfire.htm

What causes a wildfire?
Common causes of wildfires include lightning, human carelessness, arson, volcano eruption, and pyroclastic cloud from active volcano. Heat waves, droughts, and cyclical climate changes such as El Niño can also have a dramatic effect on the risk of wildfires. Although, more than four out of every five wildfires are caused by people.
Wildfire
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The cause of the fire is not the issue. It's its severity and ability to spread which is caused by having a lot of dry fuel on the ground.
 

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