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found paper and added in attachment for people interested,
in my first read a bag of BS completely off the subject
this is what is used /has been used in the recent years to discard "waste emission"?It is abysmal IMHO
focus on the fallacy of "energy per square meter" then assume CO2 effect based on sun energy per square meter
View attachment Flannr09.pdf
we want to consider extra overall energy released vs status quo of sun input minus energy loss
As the waste energy per square meter of human activity is low (per year discarding cumulative effect and not sure it includes much as there are no details on the way it is measured) vs sun energy and potential GHG insulating effect, paper end up saying it is negligeable
a nice analogy :
insulated room , a heater on on a cold constant temp night; put main heater on a setting-> temperature stabilises;
then add second heater and switch in on, would you expect the temperature to stay the same and wait for the insulation renovation work to get warmer?
The 2C increase of temperature atmosphere due to man made energy release did not just vanished...
And I discarded forest fire /destruction since the 1800s or the fact that the 2C increase will reduce snow/ice cover and increase sun absorbtion (which is the biggy we all agree)
waste heat (as it is called) also has an avalanche effect.
Anyway, the fact is man made activity is f...ing this planet and i have no doubt about it, be it by checking figures or just spending years in outside activities
Read for yourself and make your own scientific mind about how flimsily this debate has been cut short..
I am not paid for that but it would be very worthwhile to have a decent 1 y study with a proper paper on "human released total energy since the industrial revolution and its effects on world temperature."
I will stop there
the link Basilio sent me initially (thanks) had 4 pages of "comments" which are of kindergarden argument level and I do not want to start the same here; take your calculator and do your sums if you please
Are you sure you. Ves and Basillio understand what is going on Greenland?......Do you all understand Greenland was warmer 1000 years ago than it is now....Do you understand Greenland went through a mini ice age 500 years ago?
I don't think any of you do!!!!!!!!!!...And there is a lot more you don't understand as to how the UN are manipulating naive people like your good selves.
I understand the temperatures in the Coral Sea varies greatly and I do know cooler waters do have a dramatic affect on corals more so than warmer waters and that is something I learned from the late Professor Bob Carter and Professor Peter Ridd from JCU Townsville at two seminars I was in invited to some 5 and 8 years ago.
But your worries will be over soon as Greg Hunt (Federal environmental Minister) will save the Great Barrier Reef for you with his injection of funds and the signing of the Paris agreement.
https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/31420437/un-climate-deal-to-be-ratified-in-a-year/
Australia will begin work to ratify the UN climate immediately and ratify within a year to exceed 2020 emissions reduction targets, Environment Minister Greg Hunt has promised.
Mr Hunt said on the basis of new projections, Australia will beat Kyoto targets by 78 million tonnes.
"We are therefore on track to meet our 2030 target of reducing emissions by 26 to 28 per cent below 2005 levels.
The government was committing a further $11 million on projects to continue improving water quality on the Great Barrier Reef.
It is all a great WHITE LIE put out by the Alarmists...It has nothing to do with man made Global Warming.
68% of the reef in under stress due to cooler waters and only 2% will die.
As I stated before the Barrier Reef has been through it all before and will regenerate itself in very quick time as it is already starting to do.
http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...g/news-story/e826d014a1b593efaf879cbb030804d5
THE Great Barrier Reef’s most popular tourist sites show just two per cent of coral has died off, with the rest in “positive” signs of recovery, despite the world’s biggest mass coral bleaching event on record.
New research found about 68 per cent of reefs from Cairns to Lizard Island had varying levels of coral bleaching, but most of it likened to sunburn on a human body where the coral glows pink before fully recovering.
Latest findings by the Reef and Rainforest Research Centre give hope about the resilience of the living wonder after scientists this week revealed 93 per cent of the 2300km-long reef system was in the grip of a mass bleaching event.
“It’s the Great White Lie,” said Col McKenzie, chief executive of the Association of Marine Park Tourism Operators. “It’s not dead, white and dying. It’s under stress but it will bounce back.’’
I trust this will put an end to the crazy arguments and vile propaganda that is currently being published on this thread.
68% of the reef in under stress due to cooler waters and only 2% will die.
As I stated before the Barrier Reef has been through it all before and will regenerate itself in very quick time as it is already starting to do.
http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...g/news-story/e826d014a1b593efaf879cbb030804d5
THE Great Barrier Reef’s most popular tourist sites show just two per cent of coral has died off, with the rest in “positive” signs of recovery, despite the world’s biggest mass coral bleaching event on record.
New research found about 68 per cent of reefs from Cairns to Lizard Island had varying levels of coral bleaching, but most of it likened to sunburn on a human body where the coral glows pink before fully recovering.
Latest findings by the Reef and Rainforest Research Centre give hope about the resilience of the living wonder after scientists this week revealed 93 per cent of the 2300km-long reef system was in the grip of a mass bleaching event.
“It’s the Great White Lie,” said Col McKenzie, chief executive of the Association of Marine Park Tourism Operators. “It’s not dead, white and dying. It’s under stress but it will bounce back.’’
I trust this will put an end to the crazy arguments and vile propaganda that is currently being published on this thread.
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You don't think Col may have a vested interest in saying everything is fine ?
I would say Col is on the ground and has eyes to see for himself and is most likely on the reef on a daily basis just like I have observed over my years of sound observations unlike the naive who believe the the bloody propaganda published by the Alarmist in their endeavors to prove these natural phenomenas are some how man made.
New research found about 68 per cent of reefs from Cairns to Lizard Island had varying levels of coral bleaching, but most of it likened to sunburn on a human body where the coral glows pink before fully recovering.
Latest findings by the Reef and Rainforest Research Centre give hope about the resilience of the living wonder after scientists this week revealed 93 per cent of the 2300km-long reef system was in the grip of a mass bleaching event.
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Would you mind posting links to the articles you cite ?
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A simple "no, I misunderstood" would have been sufficient, but thanks for offering your input.
You might be surprised at the degree of variance in the perspectives of the three posters you've so hastily lumped together!
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Agree, particularly the supposed melt of Greenland 1000 years ago. Prevously fixed perma frost/ice millions of years old now slipping into the sea.
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The latest publication from this group that i can find was in 2007. Slightly out of date I think.
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Cannot even get the link up
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Like the last 50 years records? The ulterior motive is to get Government grants and be paid to loaf around on coral cays scrutinising coral.
How did you arrive at that figure of 90% of scientists around the world saying Global warming is real?
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Emphasis mine.
What else is he going to say? He's not going to run around saying the industry he represents is completely stuffed now is he? He needs to be doing whatever he can to keep people turning up so that's what he's doing.
I'm not accusing him of anything wrong, he's just doing his job, but he's not exactly an unbiased source.
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Rarely mentioned is discouraging humans breeding faster than the death rate. I read somewhere the planet could handle 10 billion people at current consumption rates. Then we have the upward spiral of consumerism led by America and China with things to buy then throwaway when the next best thing comes along ever-so-more quickly nowadays. All the fossil fuel extraction, fossil fueled power plants and factories are here to feed the seemingly insatiable desire to have more and/or better with complete disregard for the cost to the environment. Jobs, jobs, jobs is the cry which equals churning out more stuff which equals more people which equals the cry for more jobs, jobs, jobs.
Emphasis mine.
What else is he going to say? He's not going to run around saying the industry he represents is completely stuffed now is he? He needs to be doing whatever he can to keep people turning up so that's what he's doing.
I'm not accusing him of anything wrong, he's just doing his job, but he's not exactly an unbiased source.
Col McKenzie was the messenger of a report by the Reef and Rain forest Research Center.
It would appear you Greenies have not read the whole link but just jumped to conclusions.
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Reef and rainforest Research Centres were de-funded by John Howard in 2004, and turned over to industry bodies.
Their research (if it still exists) is thus questionable and would tend to favour their funding bodies.
http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2004/s1100404.htm
So what????.....That does not prove you and your Green buddies are right.....The principles of the argument are still there.
The Reef has been under stress more times than you have had hot dinners since it's conception 500,000 years ago...It has always recovered.....
The main section of the reef which is currently under stress is north of Port Douglas adjacent to a coastal strip which is not affected by the local environment of pollution from farming run off.
Luutzu, I am still waiting for your answer....Do you have a number or not?
Is that 90% of all scientist through out the world or 90% of a couple of thousand hand picked by the UN who are sympathetic to the UN's Global Warming cause?
