Resisting Climate Hysteria

[SirRumpole]

Evidence?

Well yeah, we had a minor ice age with ended approximately 150 years age. The world has warmed from that cold period... must have been all those candles, eh?

Since then, the evidence has been subject to what can only euphemistically be described as "adjustment".

The warmists have actually done us all a disservice by causing critical thinkers to doubt their corrupted science and question their motives.

You might want to take another look at the "evidence".

It will of course show warming, but with critical thinking cap on, the picture will be a bit different.

I'd rather listen to the opinions of those with the knowledge in the area of climate science than to your good self and noco with very little.

 

[wayneL]

I'd rather listen to the opinions of those with the knowledge in the area of climate science than to your good self and noco with very little.

That's a good idea. So long as you listen to the great range of opinions in the field, rather than only those who support your personal belief.

 

[trainspotter]

And how do you know that?

This thread has taken a turn for the worse.

Case point example ...

http://www.spectator.co.uk/2014/10/...lesson-in-why-it-is-a-disaster-to-vote-green/

I've worked it out. I've worked it all out...

At some benighted stage some political party left of Genghis Khan will gain power... somewhere

Whatever xhit is happening with global warming, melting of the ice caps, cities under threat , etc, etc there is now a golden opportunity to place all blame onto the green menace

It will all be the fault of THE GREENS

No history, no causation, no thinking, nufink.

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I read the tripe that TS used as some sort of excuse to trash the greens. Enough said...

PPS. Is anyone remotely interested in having a look at the post I ran highlighting the latest review of how quickly Antarctica is melting and the consequences ? Too scary ? Too challenging ?

I didn't trash the Greens in the UK .. they did it all by themselves

Plod asked how do we know that. I placed up a case point example which you ignored.

C'est la vie basilio.

Like wayneL said earlier ... A game please.

Google ... record cold winter in the Northern Hemisphere

 

[noco]

I'd rather listen to the opinions of those with the knowledge in the area of climate science than to your good self and noco with very little.

Yes distorted and untruthful science.....It is a scam and a farce for the likes of Al Gore and his cohorts to make millions of dollars.

It has become increasingly clear that the process of “establishing” human-caused global warming has been manipulated by a small group of people, using mutual peer processes, and claiming to speak for many more scientists who had little input and no real opportunity to review the final documents. The closed-shop nature of the process is counter the scientific empiricism of the enlightenment, and marks another significant break with traditional western culture.



Wake up Rumpy to what is really going on......

 

[explod]

Plod asked how do we know that. I placed up a case point example which you ignored.


Google ... record cold winter in the Northern Hemisphere

You contiually straw pick without accepting underlying cause and effect.

Yes a record cold winter in the north but it is occuring down to more southern regions. Why? Because it is actually warmer at the poles which makes more moisture rise into the atmosphere which creates the increase in storms heading south. Snow will fall when conditions are around zero so at the poles a few degrees warmer is still extrordinarily cold. However this season where it normally hits 50 below there were recordings of zero. This is 50 Celsius above normal. This alarming discrepancy is creating huge changes and volatility in our weather.

But of course our dear friends of oil, gas and coal will paper over with simplification and garbage, oh and name calling and any other embicilliafication that can help to confuse the crowd.

Increasingly though, the crowd are waking up that things are not right. Just ask a Phillipino or Fijian

 

[trainspotter]

You contiually straw pick without accepting underlying cause and effect.

Yes a record cold winter in the north but it is occuring down to more southern regions. Why? Because it is actually warmer at the poles which makes more moisture rise into the atmosphere which creates the increase in storms heading south. Snow will fall when conditions are around zero so at the poles a few degrees warmer is still extrordinarily cold. However this season where it normally hits 50 below there were recordings of zero. This is 50 Celsius above normal. This alarming discrepancy is creating huge changes and volatility in our weather.

But of course our dear friends of oil, gas and coal will paper over with simplification and garbage, oh and name calling and any other embicilliafication that can help to confuse the crowd.

Increasingly though, the crowd are waking up that things are not right. Just ask a Phillipino or Fijian

That makes no sense Plod.

If it is the coldest Northern Hemisphere winter on record and you are saying "occuring down to more southern regions" but there has been a record set for March as the "hottest year" as per below ...

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-04-...sets-record-as-hottest-ever,-bom-says/7293500

What the hell does the Philippines and Fiji have to do with it? Oh I get it you are alluding that they have had the"worst cyclone season" on record blah blah blah

Yep ... Cyclone Winston was the most powerful cyclone in the Pacific nation's history (not by much only 7km/h)

Also not forgetting in 1985 there were 4 cyclones that hit Fiji in 2 months (but that is another story) Eric, Nigel, Gavin & Hina were their names .. look it up Plod.

As for the Phillippines .., The deadliest overall tropical cyclone to impact the Philippines is believed to have been the Haiphong typhoon which is estimated to have killed up to 20,000 people as it passed over the country in September 1881.

"A" game my learned friend

 

[Knobby22]

Didn't that movie on climate change predict extremely ccold weather for winter? You know, the Al Gore one due to slowing sea currents.

 

[trainspotter]

Yep save the world from that nasty C02 stuff from your private jet ... tut tut !

Hollywood actor Leonardo DiCaprio may be banned from returning to Indonesia following his criticisms that palm oil plantations are destroying the country's rainforests and endangering wildlife, an immigration official says.
The Oscar winner recently made a one-day visit to protected Mount Leuser National Park in northern Sumatra and uploaded photos to his Instagram account, expressing concerns over species whose habitats are threatened.
"The expansion of palm oil plantations is fragmenting the forest and cutting off key elephant migration corridors," he posted.
"A world-class biodiversity hotspot, but palm oil expansion is destroying this unique place."
Heru Santoso, the spokesman for the Directorate General for Immigration at the Law and Human Rights Ministry, said that DiCaprio used his visit to discredit the palm oil industry and the Indonesian government.
"We support his concern to save the Leuser ecosystem," Santoso said on Saturday.
"But we can blacklist him from returning to Indonesia at any time if he keeps posting incitement or provocative statements in his social media."

Slash-and-burn practices destroy huge areas of Indonesian forest every year during the dry season, creating haze that pollutes neighbouring countries and causes massive economic losses, as well as contributing to Indonesia's carbon dioxide emissions. The fires are often set to clear land for agriculture, including palm oil plantations. (Which I have been banging on about but no one cares)

Santoso said companies and organisations that objected to DiCaprio's comments have the right to request that immigration authorities bar him from re-entering Indonesia, though none have done so yet.
He said DiCaprio entered and left Indonesia legally with a proper visa and immigration documentation. DiCaprio and his entourage arrived on a private jet at Kualanamu Airport on the island of Sumatra on March 26, and the group took a helicopter to the protected park, and left the island a day later.

http://www.news.com.au/world/breaki...n/news-story/c8f1b3c45e747fdfafab99369e235c7a

Goodness ... all that in ONE day !

 

[wayneL]

Could there be any greater hypocrite than Leo?

 

[basilio]

Just no point having a conversation with you clowns is there? The destruction of the rainforest in Indonesia to grow palm oil is an environmental disaster on many levels. But don't worry about the issue. Let's just trash Leo because he wings it to Indonesia to make a point.

I know your memories are failing but just a quick recap of the graphs showing how global temperatures are increasing and the very sharp increase in the last couple of months.

 

[Smurf1976]

The destruction of the rainforest in Indonesia to grow palm oil is an environmental disaster on many levels.

I'm no expert on the subject but I'm told that palm oil is bad in other ways too. Worse for human health than alternatives such as olive or sunflower oil. That's my understanding at least. Too much "bad" fat in it apparently.

 

[cynic]

Just no point having a conversation with you clowns is there? The destruction of the rainforest in Indonesia to grow palm oil is an environmental disaster on many levels. But don't worry about the issue. Let's just trash Leo because he wings it to Indonesia to make a point.

I know your memories are failing but just a quick recap of the graphs showing how global temperatures are increasing and the very sharp increase in the last couple of months.

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Basilio, it's not that those in disagreement have poor memories, it's simply that they don't automatically subscribe to singularly apocalyptic conclusions.

There's a lot more to data interpretation and extrapolation than simply concluding that it can only possibly mean one thing.

There are various alternative theories that can account for changing weather patterns on this planet. To automatically subscribe to one theoretical cause, in isolation to all others, simply because it happens to support one's personal ideology and then dismiss opposition as being bereft of cognitive faculties, only serves to stagnate this discussion.

There are some in this debate that already have their minds made up, and no amount of counter evidence is ever likely to sway them from their deeply held convictions.

Others are genuinely open to reviewing their stance in the event that recognisably compelling evidence is presented.
So a question one might ask oneself is : "Am I open to reconsidering my views on the basis of new information?"

Whilst I have deep reservations about the impartiality of those presenting the apocalyptic case, I like to believe that, in the event that sufficiently compelling evidence emerges, I would be amenable to reviewing my stance.

How about you?

 

[wayneL]

Just no point having a conversation with you clowns is there? The destruction of the rainforest in Indonesia to grow palm oil is an environmental disaster on many levels. But don't worry about the issue. Let's just trash Leo because he wings it to Indonesia to make a point.

I know your memories are failing but just a quick recap of the graphs showing how global temperatures are increasing and the very sharp increase in the last couple of months.

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What if everybody was Leo basilio? Or Al? Or David SuzukI? Et al? We'd be at 2% co2 next month. So Leo has no credibility on so many levels it's not even funny.

Unfortunately while *you clowns* crap on about co2 emissions and spend all your time fiddling data, real environmental problem go unnoticed.

The Indo palm oil thing is a big issue, but nobody is going to listen to a hypocrite about it. He's probably set back the ability to do anything about that by 20 years because of that.

 

[orr]

Unfortunately while *you clowns* crap on about co2 emissions and spend all your time fiddling data, real environmental problem go unnoticed.

You mean like the absurdism of QLD State government and LNP national governments pursuit of increased development of coal reserves that no Financier on the planet will touch, whilst these very conflicted proponents actively avoid the harbingers of the catastrophic consequences of their ill-guided intent occurring just off the coast.
That 'canary' in that Barrier Reef has dropped to the floor of the cage like its fellow up on the Arctic ice sheet and its singed compatriot on the highland bogs of Tasmania ...
Co2 is the problem ...leo's not.
And avoid palm oil as best you can... and Think carefully whether you want or need children regardless of what your government, culture, religion or family pressure or enthuse you to do.

 

[trainspotter]

Just no point having a conversation with you clowns is there? The destruction of the rainforest in Indonesia to grow palm oil is an environmental disaster on many levels. But don't worry about the issue. Let's just trash Leo because he wings it to Indonesia to make a point.

I know your memories are failing but just a quick recap of the graphs showing how global temperatures are increasing and the very sharp increase in the last couple of months.

Must be ground hog day?

When I mentioned the Indonesian slash and burn policy on the forest it was ignored. But somehow when you say it the credibility level rises +100%.

I also mentioned the Southern California Methane leak which was also ignored. TOTALLY.

I banged on about China coal fired power stations and American oil policy in Alaska. IGNORED.

THESE ARE THE REASONS BEHIND WHY THE GLOBAL TEMPERATURES ARE RISING

Averaged over all land and ocean surfaces, temperatures warmed roughly 1.53 degrees Fahrenheit (0.85 degrees Celsius) from 1880 to 2012, according to the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change

Really ... 0.85 degrees Celsius from the IPCC no doubt and they can be trusted !

No wait NASA to the rescue ... http://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/global-temperature/

And finally this little gem ..

To calculate a global average temperature, scientists begin with temperature measurements taken at locations around the globe. Because their goal is to track changes in temperature, measurements are converted from direct temperature readings to temperature anomalies-values that represent the difference between the observed temperature and the long-term average temperature for each location and date. Across inaccessible areas that have few measurements, scientists use surrounding temperatures and other information to fill in the missing values. Each value is then used to calculate a global temperature average. This process provides a consistent, reliable method for monitoring Earth's surface temperature over time.

https://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/climate-change-global-temperature

And around we go again

 

[trainspotter]

You mean like the absurdism of QLD State government and LNP national governments pursuit of increased development of coal reserves that no Financier on the planet will touch, whilst these very conflicted proponents actively avoid the harbingers of the catastrophic consequences of their ill-guided intent occurring just off the coast.
That 'canary' in that Barrier Reef has dropped to the floor of the cage like its fellow up on the Arctic ice sheet and its singed compatriot on the highland bogs of Tasmania ...
Co2 is the problem ...leo's not.
And avoid palm oil as best you can... and Think carefully whether you want or need children regardless of what your government, culture, religion or family pressure or enthuse you to do.

Leo's private jet pumping Co2 into the atmosphere is the problem orr

 

[basilio]

Well TS you have a very special capacity to create contradictions in the space of two posts. I'm at a loss to understand your POV at all.

What is causing the last 100 years of global warming ?

IMV (and this just mirrors the science around the topic) no single, simple factor. Essentially it is largely the impact of humans on the environment releasing many billions of tons of Greenhouse Gases thus trapping extra heat.

Contributors to those extra billions of tons (and there will be others as well..)

1) Large scale burning of fossil fuels particularly in the last 30-60 years

2) Widespread clearing of forests which reduce the earth's capacity to absorb CO2

3) Burning of forests as per no 2 (This is where the effect of the clearing of Indonesian rain forest comes in)

4) Release of Methane and Carbon Dioxide through extensive mining operations (the methane bubble. tick again)

5) Huge expansion of coal fired power stations (China, India others. tick)

6) The release of methane from the Arctic as frozen tundra melts. (This is a timebomb. Just starting but potentially capable of destroying the world in a decade if the release of methane ramps up spectacularly as it did millions of years ago)
http://robertscribbler.com/2015/03/...den-plumes-eruptions-and-large-ocean-craters/

So TS your comments about the slash and burn, methane escapes , coal stations are spot on. But in the overall picture the biggest contributor of GG gases has been the billions of tons of cement produced, billions of gallons of oil burned and so on. These other factors are just part of the picture.

The result?

Yep .87C average increase in temperature world wide. (thanks for the NASA link) . Then the comment about NASA scientists filling in the data from surrounding area information. No mystery here. Just a long recognised methodology.

So I'm left puzzled. You acknowledge the increase in temperatures. You acknowledge that CO2 (and other green house gases) are the prime cause. Where is the disagreement ?

 

[trainspotter]

So I'm left puzzled. You acknowledge the increase in temperatures. You acknowledge that CO2 (and other green house gases) are the prime cause. Where is the disagreement ?

HOLY **** CAKES BATMAN !! You actually read what I have been writing for the past 5 years now

My disagreement is the ALARMISM !!

Nope we will not be 6 metres under water in the next 10 years. Nope the glaciers have not FULLY melted and the Alps still have snow on them. I remember you tried to blame GW and Co2 on salmon deaths in the North American wilderness and it turned out to be a parasite that attacks the lungs of the fish. Your shrill argumentative style is bordering on loonyism as scientists are only now starting to figure out what is actually going on with this blue spinning orb. And it's a lot trickier than they know.

Also the manipulation of the data to fit their own opines is bordering on FRAUD (IPCC predictions anyone?)

Not only do NASA and NOAA make up fake data for much of the planet, but they massively tamper with their existing data, like this station in Siberia where they have cooled the past nearly two degrees C since 2012 – and now claim that it is two degrees C above normal.

http://realclimatescience.com/2015/11/record-crushing-fraud-from-noaa-and-nasa-ahead-of-paris/

Read the title of the thread basilio - Resisting Climate Hysteria.

Plenty more where that came from as well ...

 

[basilio]

Clear as mud TS...

On the one hand you appear to accept the the scientific case for CO2 and other greenhouse gases to trap heat and warm up the atmosphere. Hence your concern about methane bubbles, clearing of Indonesia rain forests (and others I presume) and bulk coal fired power stations.

On the other hand...well you reckon the global temperature figures are cooked. That in effect NASA all the meteorologists and associated centres are part of a giant fraud to artificially inflate nominal temperatures around the world.

And the consequence of of all this ? Well on your reading it seems as if we have nothing serious to worry about at all. Now or ever. Amen. All we have to do is ignore it and everything will be fine.

PS And if you use Steve Goddard as a reference for reality God help you.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Goddard

 

[CanOz]

My disagreement is the ALARMISM !!

Hey! That's very similar to the thread title