Resisting Climate Hysteria

[noco]

Tell that to the leaders of 190 countries who have agreed that climate is change is real and something has to be done about it.

Cease flogging a dead horse noco old chum, your cause is lost. Have a good Christmas.

I don't think so Rumpy......Whether those 190 countries ever implement what they say they will do will be another thing....Paris was not the success as mad out to be.

The Alarmist are now in the minority and the fake Global Warming evidence is now starting to be shown for what really is.......A load of crap.

I don't believe in Christmas ....it is far too commercialized as far as I am concerned. just like all religions.

 

[luutzu]

I don't think so Rumpy......Whether those 190 countries ever implement what they say they will do will be another thing....Paris was not the success as mad out to be.

The Alarmist are now in the minority and the fake Global Warming evidence is now starting to be shown for what really is.......A load of crap.

I don't believe in Christmas ....it is far too commercialized as far as I am concerned. just like all religions.

I think Climate Change is a science. So whether we believe it or not, it's still there.

Heard from interviews that scientists are actually self-censoring their findings... that their results show things are actually going to get a lot worst. But they tame it a bit and word it carefully so as not to sound alarmist - more respectable that way.

But them not being alarmist is still pointing to a lot of things to be alarmed about.

But yea, maybe there's some magic invention in the future that'll solve the problem - so grandkids, better hit those science and technology books hard. It's all on you guys and gals.

 

[basilio]

If one reads The Australian and follows the most read blogger in the country (Andrew Bolt) then it's London to brick you won't accept that CC is significant or has any meaningful human input. These are very strong voices repeating over and over and over again the same mantra - "nothing to worry about here, move on."

The unnerving strange thing is that the overwhelming majority of the scientific world says there is much to be concerned about and has produced overwhelming evidence to back up their research.

So who do you believe ?

 

[wayneL]

If one reads The Australian and follows the most read blogger in the country (Andrew Bolt) then it's London to brick you won't accept that CC is significant or has any meaningful human input. These are very strong voices repeating over and over and over again the same mantra - "nothing to worry about here, move on."

The unnerving strange thing is that the overwhelming majority of the scientific world says there is much to be concerned about and has produced overwhelming evidence to back up their research.

So who do you believe ?

Well not you or Cook, or the purported scientists who promulgate the most extreme scenario as a matter of advocaay over science, least of all politicians and their cronies.

 

[noco]

If one reads The Australian and follows the most read blogger in the country (Andrew Bolt) then it's London to brick you won't accept that CC is significant or has any meaningful human input. These are very strong voices repeating over and over and over again the same mantra - "nothing to worry about here, move on."

The unnerving strange thing is that the overwhelming majority of the scientific world says there is much to be concerned about and has produced overwhelming evidence to back up their research.

So who do you believe ?

basilio old son it is all about the Sun that causes Global Warming.... ooops, sorry I mean Climate Change....There ain't no more Global Warming...

This basic science I learned at school in the 1930's...Nah...they don't that stuff any more at school.

How much do you really know about C02?

Perhaps you might take the time to read the link below.


http://theclimatescepticsparty.blogspot.com.au/2011/03/two-lie-carbon-tax-and-carbon-pollution.html

Do you know that the government intends to tax CO2 emissions with the falsely named "carbon" tax?

Anyhow, below is an edited version of Gregg's Questionaire:

Question 1. What percentage of the atmosphere do you think is CO2?

Question 2. Have you ever seen the percentage given in any media?

Question 3. What percentage of the CO2 is man-made?

Question 4. What percentage of the man-made CO2 does Australia produce?

Question 5. Is CO2 is a pollutant?
Q6. Have you seen any evidence that CO2 causes a greenhouse effect?
"As carbon dioxide levels have increased over the last 10 years, have there been any observations providing evidence that that has caused the temperature of the planet increase?"

Now read more for the answers.

 

[Logique]

Fusion.

Soon my friends, soon. The breakthrough will come. Hopefully before the imminent Mini Ice Age sets in.

Fusion is where the research dollar should be going.

German Continuous Nuclear Fusion Reactor Milestone
By: Eric Worrall - December 17, 2015
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/12/17/german-continuous-nuclear-fusion-reactor-milestone/

Germany has activated its new Wendelstein 7-X Stellarator reactor for the first time, briefly testing its ability to heat and contain a Helium plasma. The German Stellarator is the first nuclear fusion reactor ever built which has a chance of hitting break even – or at the very least, of maintaining a sustained nuclear fusion reaction for up to half an hour at a time.

On 10 December, the operating team in the control room started up the magnetic field and initiated the computer-operated experiment control system...The first plasma could be observed by the installed cameras and measuring devices...

..Obviously these are early days, but if the German fusion reactor fulfils the research team’s expectations, within the next year or two the German team may demonstrate the first ever completely stable artificial nuclear fusion reaction.

 

[orr]

Fusion.

Soon my friends, soon.

Yeah we all know how fusion is just over the horizon ..... and will stay there.

but in 2020, that's 4 years away thirteen models from FoMoCo will be all electric;
http://www.autoblog.com/2015/12/10/ford-electric-vehicle-investment/

so with oil at $35/barrel, the F150 range the biggest profit highest sellers on the market and resale value of the electric/ hybrid models currently available tanking, Ford puts up $4.5 billion and points the direction with an impossible build out time line on an electric automobile future. I'm open to comments on their thinking. I'd hazard a guess on Govt and fleet purchases positioning, post Paris.

If it was my bet on nuclear, I'd go fast reactors; Why? 400 years worth of existing run time on a technology going back to the 50's, builds happening in dozen or so places world wide, notably India, whose reserves of Thorium could supply their energy demands CO2 free for 60,000years, about the time fusion will be ready for market.
Fast reactors?
http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/Current-and-Future-Generation/Fast-Neutron-Reactors/

 

[Smurf1976]

so with oil at $35/barrel, the F150 range the biggest profit highest sellers on the market and resale value of the electric/ hybrid models currently available tanking, Ford puts up $4.5 billion and points the direction with an impossible build out time line on an electric automobile future. I'm open to comments on their thinking. I'd hazard a guess on Govt and fleet purchases positioning, post Paris

I don't have all the details but in short, there are new EU regulations coming into effect in 2021 that make it pretty hard to continue with conventional petrol or even diesel vehicles.

There's a cap on fuel consumption of 4.1 litres / 100 km (petrol) and 3.6 litres / 100 km (diesel). These figures are based on the fleet average, not individual vehicles per se, but still makes it pretty much essential that manufacturers go down the hybrid or electric route if they are to remain major vehicle sellers in the EU.

I'd assume that Ford would be taking this into account in their decision making.

 

[explod]

The floods in the north of England described by thier Prime minister as "unprecedented"

South America towards the bottom of the globe, record floods,

ln the US huge tornadoes ripping down homes, unprecedented this time of the year.

130 homes destroyed by fire on Victorias south west coast. Very early this year, usually not till late jan/feb.

ALL OVER THE LAST FEW DAYS

As detailed the rise in temperature at the poles are and will increasingly have devastating effects.

"the sixth extinction" a must read

No longer "Hysteria" but facts emerging before our eyes.

 

[basilio]

Has anyone else been following the record floods in the UK? For those who can put 2 and 2 together the question is "How in heavens name will the UK cope as global warming marches on ?" We are seeing just the first impacts of a long term change in climate and sea levels.

How many times can cities and homes be flooded before it all becomes too hard ?

Failed flood defences cast doubt on UK readiness for new weather era

Army called in and thousands evacuated after homes and businesses are hit by ‘unprecedented’ water levels in northern England

Matthew Taylor, Ben Quinn and John Vidal

Britain’s ability to cope with the “unprecedented” flood crises that hit several urban centres simultaneously over the weekend has been called into question after the failure of key flood defences in the north led to thousands of homes being put at risk.

Three cities were hit by the severe weather, alongside scores of towns and villages, forcing the evacuation of thousands in what David Cameron described as an unprecedented situation. Three hundred troops were in the worst-hit areas on Sunday, with a further 200 soldiers on the way.

Amid warnings that climate change would lead to more frequent and severe flooding, the state of the large-scale defences was brought into sharp relief after pumping equipment in York was overwhelmed by the sheer volume of water.

In a move that apparently sacrificed some areas in order to prevent greater devastation elsewhere, officials decided at the weekend to raise the river Foss flood barrier in order to prevent it from becoming stuck. Hundreds of homes were evacuated and entire streets were submerged. York’s barrier, completed in 1987 following serious flooding in 1982, also experienced problems in 2012 when four of its eight pumps failed due to overheating, resulting in flood warnings for hundreds of householders.

Floods continued to bring chaos to thousands of homes and businesses elsewhere across the north of England. In Leeds, main roads in the city centre remained under water. In Greater Manchester, 7,000 homes were still without power after rivers topped their banks.

While experts have cautioned that it is too early to give precise figures for the losses caused by Storm Desmond and Storm Eva, the accountancy firm PricewaterhouseCoopers said that an initial analysis showed that they could run as high as £1.3bn.

http://www.theguardian.com/environm...my-called-continue-devastate-northern-england

 

[Wysiwyg]

Has anyone else been following the record floods in the UK?

Yeah (LOL) for over 700 years since the first signs of global warming appeared.

South England flood of February 1287

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In February 1287 a storm hit the southern coast of England with such ferocity that whole areas of coastline were redrawn. Silting up and cliff collapses led to towns that had stood by the sea finding themselves landlocked, while others that had been inland found themselves with access to the sea.

The city of Winchelsea on Romney Marsh was destroyed (later rebuilt on the cliff top behind).[1] Nearby Broomhill was also destroyed. The course of the nearby river Rother was diverted away from New Romney, which was almost destroyed and left a mile from the coast, ending its role as a port. The Rother ran instead to sea at Rye, prompting its rise as a port. The storm contributed to the collapse of a cliff at Hastings, taking part of Hastings Castle with it, blocking the harbour and ending its role as a trade centre, though it continued as a centre for fishing. Whitstable in Kent is also reported to have been hit by the surge.

In all, the storm can be seen to have had a powerful effect on the Cinque Ports, two of which were hit (Hastings and New Romney), along with the supporting "Antient Town" of Winchelsea. Meanwhile, the other Ancient Town of Rye was advantaged.

The storm is one of two huge ones in England in 1287. The other was the one known in the Netherlands as St. Lucia's flood in December, the following winter. Together with a surge in January 1286,[2] they seem to have prompted the decline of one of England's then leading ports, Dunwich in Suffolk.

 

[explod]

Yeah (LOL) for over 700 years since the first signs of global warming appeared.

I happen to have a friend in northern UK who's family go back to 1100AD. Spoke to him overnight and stated that they have never in that time experienced floods as bad as this.

Anyhow, from a flaming ball 5 billion years ago the planet is supposed to be cooling.

 

[wayneL]

I happen to have a friend in northern UK who's family go back to 1100AD. Spoke to him overnight and stated that they have never in that time experienced floods as bad as this.

Anyhow, from a flaming ball 5 billion years ago the planet is supposed to be cooling.

As I said before,I have flood maps going back centuries. Your friend is talking out of his a55.

 

[wayneL]

Just one example from farkin hundreds.... From 1953

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Sea_flood_of_1953

 

[explod]

Just one example from farkin hundreds.... From 1953

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Sea_flood_of_1953

And they discussed the resulting surg dams on media this morning.

But this latest has even overwhelmed these levels and of course they were washed out in the same area a mere two years ago.

Knock knock, increasing frequency and volatility.

 

[basilio]

Yeah there was a huge flood in 1953 in England. And there were many individual events overt the years.

The current situation is just replicating these floods every couple of years and increasing the severity despite better and better flood defences. No difference at all is it ?

 

[Ijustnewit]

The floods in the north of England described by thier Prime minister as "unprecedented"

South America towards the bottom of the globe, record floods,

ln the US huge tornadoes ripping down homes, unprecedented this time of the year.

130 homes destroyed by fire on Victorias south west coast. Very early this year, usually not till late jan/feb.

ALL OVER THE LAST FEW DAYS

As detailed the rise in temperature at the poles are and will increasingly have devastating effects.

"the sixth extinction" a must read

No longer "Hysteria" but facts emerging before our eyes.

Facts are that in fact it is the current El Nino' that is causing the floods in South America , and the drought here in Australia. These La Nina's and El Nino's have been happening well before the industrialisation of the Planet.
As have the Tornadoes in the U.S.A , just like our Cyclones have ruined many a settlement or ship each season.
Maybe the weather patterns are changing as they have since the start of the Planet , however I ask one question.
How long after we stop using fossil fuels and replace them with renewables and pay lots of monies to the U.N will the Weather / Climate take to return back to what our Climate Saviours think is normal ?

 

[basilio]

Unprecedented flooding in Britain prompts renewed discussion about climate change

Date
December 29, 2015 - 5:50AM

Britain's flood defences get a rethink

A review of the UK's flood defences is promised after Britain's Prime Minister David Cameron meets soldiers and volunteers in the deluged city of York.

London: Climate change is forcing England to re-assess its flood defences in the face of unprecedented river level surges, one of the United Kingdom government's most senior environment officials says.

"We are moving from a period of known extremes into a period of unknown extremes," said David Rooke, deputy chief executive of the UK government's Environment Agency, which manages the country's rivers.

"We will need to re-assess all the defences right across the country."

He linked the devastating Boxing Day floods, still engulfing swathes of the country, to climate change.

"What we are seeing are record river levels," he told BBC Radio. "We saw in the Calder Valley in West Yorkshire levels that were a foot to two feet higher that we'd seen previously. We've seen similar again in Cumbria and elsewhere right across the north.

"So we're seeing a picture and what we need to do is to look at the historic records that we use to predict what defences we should provide to protect people and their property and their businesses, and to re-assess whether that's still valid in the face of a changing climate."

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/wor...ion-about-climate-change-20151228-glw0lw.html

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How long after we stop using fossil fuels and replace them with renewables and pay lots of monies to the U.N will the Weather / Climate take to return back to what our Climate Saviours think is normal ? Ijustnewit

Two possibilities.

1) Crash program in reducing GG emissions over 20 years. Temperature still keep rising to around 2C. Widespread floods, big changes shorelines as sea rises, unknown changes in climate. Millions of people displaced . Final (maybe ) stabilisation of climate in 100 years at unknown temperature

2) Ignore everything. Business as usual. Temperatures just keep climbing and climbing . Feedback loops kick into effect as perma frost melts, forests die and so on. By 2100 almost everyone has nothing to worry about.

http://globalwarming.berrens.nl/globalwarming.htm

 

[explod]

The weather in the US has broken 68 records over the last few weeks against all previous information.

And cyclones, never seen in winter before.

The displacement effect from the warmer polar regions is starting to kick in in earnest.

And yes, not just coal and oil burning, we are soon to pay for the loss of forrests done for industrialisation and progress so described.

Trees planted now will only burn down in summer.

Remember visiting Victorias south western coast as a child, even through summer the bush used to remain cool and damp. Start of summer now an explosive tinder box as our Prime Minister looks over the ashes this morning.

 

[explod]

Facts are that in fact it is the current El Nino' that is causing the floods in South America , and the drought here in Australia. These La Nina's and El Nino's have been happening well before the industrialisation of the Planet.
As have the Tornadoes in the U.S.A , just like our Cyclones have ruined many a settlement or ship each season.
Maybe the weather patterns are changing as they have since the start of the Planet , however I ask one question.
How long after we stop using fossil fuels and replace them with renewables and pay lots of monies to the U.N will the Weather / Climate take to return back to what our Climate Saviours think is normal ?

Ei nino etc, just a name (highlighted in the Howard era to divert media attention from the term climate change) for weather patterns. Warmth of oceans under El Nino increased substantialy since the term came to prominence, why? Global warming.