Resisting Climate Hysteria

[sails]

Damn you Global Warming!

The National Highway closed by floods.. how could this be, when Tim Flannery told us, "..even the rain that falls won't fill the dams.."!

How could this happen, it's impossible that Tim Flannery could be wrong, the science being in and all..

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Here is Flannery's dire prediction:

 

[SirRumpole]

What Flannery actually said

https://indifferencegivesyouafright...t-say-australias-dams-would-never-fill-again/

 

[Ijustnewit]

What Flannery actually said

https://indifferencegivesyouafright...t-say-australias-dams-would-never-fill-again/

Just more spin doctoring , the fact is he said " even the rain that falls isn’t actually going to fill our dams and our river systems " . Fact is he was wrong , what about those dams and rivers in QLD that flooded ? See the latest news from NSW , wrong again .
You see the problem I have with all this is that anyone that offers a different opinion to the climate change brigade is they are immediately called a denialist or sceptic. I personally think that something is happening , the reasons may be varied from mainly natural occurring change with a little bit of added pressure due to mankind.
However the Climate change extremist do themselves no favours by pushing extremist views upon the population of this planet. Tim Flannery is one of these extremist , and by the way isn't he a Geologist last time I looked and not a Meteorologist ?
Again we today we see the ABC climate change pushes airing another article from NASA about sea levels rising to at least one meter in the next 100 to 200 years.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-08-27/sea-levels-set-to-rise-nasa-says/6728008
I wonder how Tim will fair in his waterside home on the Hawksbury ?
This fear based marketing is for one reason and one reason only. To make some individuals and the UN very rich from Carbon based trading schemes or similar projects.

 

[SirRumpole]

Just more spin doctoring ,

EVERYTHING about this subject in this forum is spin doctoring from people who are not experts in the field. It's too complicated a topic to be left to the likes of Andrew Bolt and his devotees or Tim Flannery and his devotees. I just hope we have politicians who listen and take note of the experts rather than the amateurs.

 

[wayneL]

EVERYTHING about this subject in this forum is spin doctoring from people who are not experts in the field. It's too complicated a topic to be left to the likes of Andrew Bolt and his devotees or Tim Flannery and his devotees. I just hope we have politicians who listen and take note of the experts rather than the amateurs.

Fat chance.

As Figueres of the UN stated: "This is the first time in the history of mankind that we are setting ourselves the task of intentionally, within a defined period of time, to change the economic development model that has been reigning for at least 150 years, since the Industrial Revolution," she said.

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[Knobby22]

However the Climate change extremist do themselves no favours by pushing extremist views upon the population of this planet. Tim Flannery is one of these extremist , and by the way isn't he a Geologist last time I looked and not a Meteorologist ?
Again we today we see the ABC climate change pushes airing another article from NASA about sea levels rising to at least one meter in the next 100 to 200 years.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-08-27/sea-levels-set-to-rise-nasa-says/6728008
I wonder how Tim will fair in his waterside home on the Hawksbury ?
This fear based marketing is for one reason and one reason only. To make some individuals and the UN very rich from Carbon based trading schemes or similar projects.

I agree with attacking those Climate extremists but linking that to a scientific body - NASA -is wrong.
They are just calling it as the figures come in.

I think the Carbon based training schemes are not the right way to go and I suppose that is what Wayne is referring to when he quotes the changing Capitalism article. They should do it by regulation.

 

[wayneL]

Knobby

I don't think our current economic model IS sustainable. It does need to, somehow, change from the current paradigm.

I strongly object to using an elaborate ruse to achieve that.

 

[explod]

I strongly object to using an elaborate ruse to achieve that.

I do not disagree with your statement but would you clarify the meaning of your statement as quoted.

 

[Smurf1976]

You see the problem I have with all this is that anyone that offers a different opinion to the climate change brigade is they are immediately called a denialist or sceptic.

Something I learned from experience many years ago is that when someone silences opposing views it is because they have an agenda to push that does not stand up to scrutiny.

The specifics in my case had nothing to do with the climate, a completely unrelated issue, but the principle applies to everything. If your case is valid then you have nothing to fear from opposing views and thorough examination of your own case. But if your case is based on falsified "facts" then you have a lot to fear and will do whatever it takes to avoid scrutiny, silencing opponents being just one tactic that is used.

Personally I do think the climate is changing and that CO2 probably is having an effect. But it did rain and some dams did fill to capacity and beyond, that's a fact.

 

[nioka]

I just hope we have politicians who listen and take note of the experts rather than the amateurs.

Therein lies the problem. They choose the "experts" that agree with their own "inexpert" opinion or one that is politically aligned to assist with their efforts to stay elected.

Remember too: Definition of an expert.... Ex is something from the past. Spurt is a drip out of control. Then again a lot of politicians are drips out of control.

 

[basilio]

The current record temperatures around the world are having the (in)evitable effect on ocean temperatures and the subsequent creation of hurricanes.

And the hurricanes themeselves will drive global temperatures even higher.

Flurry of tropical cyclones give super El Nino another boost

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The trio of category-4 hurricanes spinning near the Hawaiian Islands.

The hyperactive hurricane season in the Pacific has jumped up another gear, spawning a record trio of category 4 strength tropical storms that will give the powerful El Nino event yet another boost.

Hurricanes Kilo and Ignacio were to the west and east of the Hawaii Islands on Monday, while Jimena spun further to the east. (See image below taken over the weekend by NASA/NOAA.)

Hurricane Jimena is moving over warm waters in the eastern Pacific and gathering strength.

Jimena is hovering over waters of about 28 degrees warmth, more than the 26.6 degrees needed to maintain intensity.

The storm's maximum sustained winds were about 240 km/h, and it attracted the interest of astronauts orbiting Earth in the International Space Station, who posted images to social media site Twitter:

Read more: http://www.canberratimes.com.au/env...ther-boost-20150830-gjbb82.html#ixzz3kRzx9cXi

 

[Knobby22]

Thanks Basilio

I also noticed from the same paper that Australia broke its record for early cyclones by getting one in July near the Solomons! The water temperature rise is quite large. A little scary. I wouldn't want to live in FNQ this summer.

 

[trainspotter]

The current record temperatures around the world are having the (in)evitable effect on ocean temperatures and the subsequent creation of hurricanes.

And the hurricanes themeselves will drive global temperatures even higher.

Bahahahahahaaaaaaaa how does a hurricane drive global temperatures higher?

In addition, the National Hurricane Center has stated, “storms are no more intense or frequent worldwide than they have been since 1850. … Constant 24-7 media coverage of every significant storm worldwide just makes it seem that way.” Even the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, which advocates turn to for support, concluded in its last report that “No robust trends in annual numbers of tropical storms, hurricanes and major hurricanes counts have been identified over the past 100 years in the North Atlantic basin.”

http://www.economics21.org/commentary/hurricanes-katrina-facts

http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/wa...-10-myths-about-global-warming-and-co2-damage

http://www.skepticalscience.com/hurricanes-global-warming.htm

Professor William Gray, one of foremost experts on hurricanes, has demonstrated through his work that surface temperature is a factor but not the controlling factor. He demonstrated this conclusion by analyzing two fifty-year periods when average surface temperatures rose 0.4 degrees C. He found that fewer named hurricanes made landfall during the 1956-2005 period that during the 1900-1949 period. Research on hurricanes also indicates that there is a 60-year cycle in hurricane frequency—30 years above average frequency and 30 years below.

And now for the truth http://www.prh.noaa.gov/cphc/summaries/

But but but they even admit to errors !! http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/verification/

WAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH !!!!!!!!!!!

This can't be right now can it?? Mellow 2014 Hurricane season??

The mellow 2014 Atlantic hurricane season ends Sunday (Nov. 30), marking another year without major hurricanes hitting the Eastern United States.

It has been a record-breaking nine years since a Category 3 hurricane (or stronger) made landfall along U.S. coastlines. The last was Hurricane Wilma in 2005 (Sandy was not a hurricane when it hit the northeast in 2012). The United States has never recorded a nine-year period without a hurricane touching its shores. The prior record for the longest stretch, from 1861 to 1868, was set during the Civil War, according to Colorado State University climatologists.

At the same time, the Atlantic produced only eight named tropical storms this year, the fewest since 1997, according to the National Hurricane Center. Six of those storms strengthened into hurricanes, and two became major hurricanes. The overall storm activity was 75 percent of the seasonal average between 1981 and 2010, according to Colorado State.

http://www.livescience.com/48943-quiet-2014-hurricane-season-ends.html

But wait for it NASA has the answer ...

Oct. 6, 2014: The cold waters of Earth’s deep ocean have not warmed measurably since 2005, according to a new NASA study, leaving unsolved the mystery of why global warming appears to have slowed in recent years.

In the 21st century, greenhouse gases have continued to accumulate in the atmosphere, just as they did in the 20th century, but global average surface air temperatures have stopped rising in tandem with the gases. The temperature of the top half of the world's oceans -- above the 1.24-mile mark -- is still climbing, but not fast enough to account for the stalled air temperatures.

http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2014/06oct_abyss/

And now for the sledgehammer ... http://www.weather.com/storms/hurricane/news/three-category-4-hurricanes-pacific-kilo-ignacio-jimena

The Pacific tropical activity can be attributed, in part, to impressively warm ocean water.

El Nino is an anomalous, yet periodic, warming of the central and eastern equatorial Pacific Ocean. For reasons still not well understood, every 2 to 7 years, this patch of ocean warms for a period of 6 to 18 months.

The eastern Pacific basin also typically sees an increase in named storms during a moderate to strong El Nino thanks to diminished vertical wind shear.

 

[basilio]

It's interesting what you can find on the net TS I decided to check out the economics21 reference and discovered it was another mouthpiece for the Marshall Institute - a run of the mill climate denier group. In that same article I noted the following comment

Although advocates assert that the evidence is compelling, science and empirical evidence do not provide strong support. There has been no real warming since 1998, and more scientists are beginning to express concern that there could be an extended period of global cooling. The facts about CO2 show that it is a nutrient and that its warming potential is non-linear, which means that its warming effect is diminishing.

http://www.economics21.org/commentary/hurricanes-katrina-facts


How do the hurricanes actually create a feed back loop? The comment from the article I originally sited said

El Nino builds

The unusual flurry of tropical storms in Pacific is adding to the potency of the El Nino event. The hurricanes tend to disrupt or counter the easterly trade winds that typically blow along the equator, allowing yet more heat to build up in the eastern parts of the ocean.

The elevated sea-surface temperatures in turn provide more energy for hurricanes (or cyclones or typhoons - as the storms are known in different regions) to develop.

On Monday, the Bureau of Meteorology's weekly temperature reading showed anomalous warmth has exceeded 2 degrees in the key Nino 3.4 region of the equatorial Pacific.

That level had not been reached since the 1997-98 El Nino event in 1997-98, considered to be the most powerful recorded.

Read more: http://www.canberratimes.com.au/env...ther-boost-20150830-gjbb82.html#ixzz3kUAnEFU6
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[basilio]

What is happening with Climate Change NOW? Rolling Stone magazine has a story that brings together the current effects of global warming around the world.

The Point of No Return: Climate Change Nightmares Are Already Here
The worst predicted impacts of climate change are starting to happen ”” and much faster than climate scientists expected
By Eric Holthaus August 5, 2015

Walruses
Walruses, like these in Alaska, are being forced ashore in record numbers. Corey Accardo/NOAA/AP

Historians may look to 2015 as the year when **** really started hitting the fan. Some snapshots:

In just the past few months, record-setting heat waves in Pakistan and India each killed more than 1,000 people.

In Washington state's Olympic National Park, the rainforest caught fire for the first time in living memory.

London reached 98 degrees Fahrenheit during the hottest July day ever recorded in the U.K.;

The Guardian briefly had to pause its live blog of the heat wave because its computer servers overheated.

In California, suffering from its worst drought in a millennium, a 50-acre brush fire swelled seventyfold in a matter of hours, jumping across the I-15 freeway during rush-hour traffic. Then, a few days later, the region was pounded by intense, virtually unheard-of summer rains. Puerto Rico is under its strictest water rationing in history as a monster El Niño forms in the tropical Pacific Ocean, shifting weather patterns worldwide.

Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/politic...mares-are-already-here-20150805#ixzz3kUCGvjJl
Follow us: @rollingstone on Twitter | RollingStone on Facebook

The rest of the story gets even hairier.

 

[trainspotter]

It's interesting what you can find on the net TS I decided to check out the economics21 reference and discovered it was another mouthpiece for the Marshall Institute - a run of the mill climate denier group. In that same article I noted the following comment

http://www.economics21.org/commentary/hurricanes-katrina-facts

How do the hurricanes actually create a feed back loop? The comment from the article I originally sited said

So the http://www.canberratimes.com.au/envi ...#ixzz3kUAnEFU6 is better than ...

http://www.prh.noaa.gov/cphc/summaries/

NASA vs Journo scribe ... REALLY ??

On average, between four and five tropical cyclones are observed in the Central Pacific every year. This has ranged from zero, most recently as 1979 to 11 in 1992 and 1994. The tropical cyclone summaries for the years from 1980 to the present are taken from the annual Tropical Cyclones Report for the Central Pacific. These are published as NOAA Technical Memorandums, numbered NWSTM PR-22 (for the year 1980) through NWSTM PR-46 (1999).

Get me some links to whatever you are having please

 

[trainspotter]

What is happening with Climate Change NOW? Rolling Stone magazine has a story that brings together the current effects of global warming around the world.

The rest of the story gets even hairier.

Said I ... "I had my first meal of Wookie tonight"

Said She ... "How was it?"

Said Me ... "A little Chewy!"

 

[ghotib]

So the http://www.canberratimes.com.au/envi ...#ixzz3kUAnEFU6 is better than ...

http://www.prh.noaa.gov/cphc/summaries/

NASA vs Journo scribe ... REALLY ??

Get me some links to whatever you are having please

The unusual flurry discussed in the Canberra Times is three Cat 4 hurricanes in the North Pacific at the same time.

It’s not every day you see three well-formed Category 4 hurricanes in a row. That’s been the case for the last 24 hours over the North Pacific, where Hurricane Jimena, Hurricane Ignacio, and Hurricane Kilo have made a most impressive trio. All three reached Category 4 strength on Saturday and remained there on Sunday morning, a rare feat.

http://www.wunderground.com/blog/JeffMasters/comment.html?entrynum=3096 (Scroll past discussion of Atlantic hurricanes)

The NOAA summaries are of named storms per season. Nothing to say whether any of them were simultaneous.

 

[wayneL]

What irritates me is the the inability of the climate establishment to out things into proper context rather than rushing to breathless sensationalism designed to alarm the uninformed.

For instance, the Rolling Stones article which the the baslios of this world are only to happy to promulgate contain a reference to the "Hottest July day ever", which on further analysis seems to contain a few holes.

https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2015/08/02/reviewing-the-hottest-day/

...and it's London to a brick that the Grauniad's servers due to the hot air from from their team of alarmists mouths, rather than any weather event.

 

[Tisme]

Something I learned from experience many years ago is that when someone silences opposing views it is because they have an agenda to push that does not stand up to scrutiny.

The specifics in my case had nothing to do with the climate, a completely unrelated issue, but the principle applies to everything. If your case is valid then you have nothing to fear from opposing views and thorough examination of your own case. But if your case is based on falsified "facts" then you have a lot to fear and will do whatever it takes to avoid scrutiny, silencing opponents being just one tactic that is used.

Personally I do think the climate is changing and that CO2 probably is having an effect. But it did rain and some dams did fill to capacity and beyond, that's a fact.

When I was in my twenties and knew even more than I do now (in one's teens and twenties a man absorbs knowledge through his skin), I met up with my venerable counterpart from Victoria. I liked this guy, because he was like really freeking old, say 60, but he was cool driving around in his flashy coupe in the streets of Melbourne. He was one of those guys who had an allegoric yarn for life and beyond.

One that stuck with me was along these lines:

"life is like a dung beetle. You wander around picking up little pieces of dung from here, from there, you have to navigate hazards and get your feet muddied, all in an effort to get the best of the best. You spend ages adding the dung to the ball and watch it grow and grow until it's big enough and from rolling it relentlessly into a sphere of awe and beauty. You stand back and marvel at your creation, a thing of beauty, you are a God, someone who possess' the knowledge of the universe, seriously there is no other who has such immense prowess, a skilled artisan.... then some spolier comes along and flattens it with one step of his size 9 boot ...."