Resisting Climate Hysteria

[trainspotter]

Climate Change and the 2015 Budget:-

$100 million extra over four years for the government's Reef Trust for water quality projects on the Great Barrier Reef
Climate Change Authority's funding extended for two years by $6.1 million while it reviews Australia's climate polices
Direct Action funding continues as forecast last year with $1.5 billion for the next four years.

The reef receives extra money as the government tries to avoid an in-danger listing by UNESCO. But it will accommodate this through savings elsewhere – including $73 million from the Green Army. Funding continues for Direct Action, and the Climate Change Authority – slated for abolition – has new funds. Less fortunate was the Clean Energy Finance Corporation which is still set for abolition.

http://www.smh.com.au/business/fede...iveminute-budget-summary-20150512-1mzhu0.html

Oh looky we have our own environment website telling us we are achieving our targets of 5%

The Emissions Reduction Fund is the centrepiece of the Government’s climate action policy. It will work with other incentives under the Direct Action Plan to help meet Australia’s target of reducing emissions by five per cent below 2000 levels by 2020

http://www.environment.gov.au/clean-air

Adapt or Die (or is it called evolution?):-

The National Climate Change Adaptation Research Facility (NCCARF) works to support decision makers throughout Australia as they prepare for and manage the risks of climate change and sea-level rise. NCCARF is hosted by Griffith University, Queensland.

The Australian Government has committed $9 million over three years (2014-17) to NCCARFto continue its important work.

Local governments seek guidance on how to deal with long-term planning issues. NCCARF has commenced a three-year project to address the needs of adaptation decision makers and practitioners, especially in the coastal zone, as they deal with projected impacts such as more frequent and more intense heatwaves, increasing risk of flooding from rivers and the sea, and increasing coastal erosion.

http://www.environment.gov.au/clima...e-change-adaptation-program/research-facility

The polar ice caps are melting ... MEH. The world is about to explode:-

http://www.volcanodiscovery.com/erupting_volcanoes.html

But that is a good thing for Climate Change:-

Observational and modelling studies (e.g. Kelly & Sear, 1984; Sear et al., 1987) of the likely effect of recent volcanic eruptions suggest that an individual eruption may cause a global cooling of up to 0.3 °C, with the effects lasting 1 to 2 years. Such a cooling event has been observed in the global temperature record in the aftermath of the eruption of Mount Pinatubo in June 1991.

Major eruptions have been relatively infrequent this century, so the long-term influence has been slight. The possibility that large eruptions might, during historical and prehistorical times, have occurred with greater frequency, generating long-term cooling, cannot, however, be dismissed. In order to investigate this possibility, long, complete and well-dated records of past volcanic activity are needed. One of the earliest and most comprehensive series is the Dust Veil Index (DVI) of Lamb (1970), which includes eruptions from 1500 to 1900. When combined with series of acidity measurements in ice cores (due to the presence of sulphuric acid aerosols), they can provide valuable indicators of past eruptions. Using these indicators, a statistical association between volcanic activity and global temperatures during the past millennia has been found (Hammer et al., 1980). Episodes of relatively high volcanic activity (1250 to 1500 and 1550 to 1700) occur within the period known as the Little Ice Age, whilst the Medieval Warm Period (1100 to 1250) can be linked with a period of lower activity.

http://www.global-climate-change.org.uk/2-6-3.php

Climate Change Funding slashed by half in Hockey 2015 Budget !!

Climate spending will drop dramatically from $1.35 billion in 2014-15, to less than half this amount, with just $550 million expected to be spent in 2018-19 on reducing Australia’s carbon emissions.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/bu...uts-and-spending/story-fni0cms3-1227352366043

 

[Logique]

Lattes are being spilled everywhere, Carbon Cate has decided to go and be frightfully artistic in a country which uses (yes) nuclear power!

And those are bang-up kiddie names, they won't get beaten up in the school yard at all.

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/lif...relationships-with-women-20150513-gh0bc8.html
..When asked to confirm whether she had had past relationships with women, she said: "Yes. Many times."......Blanchett and Upton have three boys - Dashiell, 13, Roman, 10 and Ignatius, 6...

 

[ghotib]

A Libertarian case for action on climate.

http://www.vox.com/2015/5/14/8603543/conservatives-climate-change] is a summary of a two part interview with Jerry Taylor, head of a new US Libertarian organisation called the Niskanen Center.

Part 1: http://www.vox.com/2015/5/12/858827...nced-this-libertarian-to-support-a-carbon-tax

Part 2: http://www.vox.com/2015/5/13/8594727/conservative-carbon-tax

Two key points from the summary article:

1) Financial markets deal with risks like climate change all the time.

We know there’s a risk ”” we don’t know how big the risk is, we’re not entirely sure about all of the parameters, but we know it’s there. And we know it’s a low-probability, high-impact risk. So what do we do about that in our financial markets? Well, if it’s a nondiversifiable risk, we know that people pay plenty of money to avoid it.

2) The right's thought leaders are beginning to shift away from the GOP's denialism.

f you put together a roster of the smartest right-of-center or libertarian thought leaders ... you see far more support for doing something in a market-oriented direction to address climate change than you see denial. In fact, you see very little denial.

 

[noco]

These pathetic climate change alarmists will stop at nothing to deny other opinions opposed to Global warming or climate change..
The Alarmists are losing traction of their garbage and are now becoming desperate.



http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/...|heading|homepage|homepage&itmt=1431724083723

Bjorn Lomborg on the despicable campaign by group-thinking academics to shut down his proposed centre at the University of Western Australia:

Opponents of free debate are celebrating. Last week, under pressure from climate-change activists, the University of Western Australia cancelled its contract to host a planned research centre, Australia Consensus, intended to apply economic cost-benefit analysis to development projects — giving policymakers a tool to ensure their aid budgets are spent wisely.

 

[explod]

These pathetic climate change alarmists will stop at nothing to deny other opinions opposed to Global warming or climate change..
The Alarmists are losing traction of their garbage and are now becoming desperate..

How can you oppose something that is a fact?

Have you read the "Sixth Extinction" yet noco? Prompt 5

 

[wayneL]

How can you oppose something that is a fact?

Have you read the "Sixth Extinction" yet noco? Prompt 5

Fact?

The only "facts" are observed phenomena Plod. All else is prediction, opinion and speculation..... and politics.

The facts as they stand support a middle level of concern; a mix of positives and negatives, adaptation over mitigation.

The only thing in threat of extinction from climate change (or alarmism thereof) is personal liberty in favour of Orwellian collectivism.

 

[noco]

Fact?

The only "facts" are observed phenomena Plod. All else is prediction, opinion and speculation..... and politics.

The facts as they stand support a middle level of concern; a mix of positives and negatives, adaptation over mitigation.

The only thing in threat of extinction from climate change (or alarmism thereof) is personal liberty in favour of Orwellian collectivism.

I fully agree waynel and I place emphasis on the United Nations politics.

It is a hoax and a scam and more people are waking up to their scheme.

The Alarmist have made so many incorrect predictions and it is all starting to back fire on them.

 

[noco]

Global warming????????????????????..what Global warming are we talking about......Climate change....sure we have climate change every year and the year after that...Sure climate change is real...we all know that including the alarmists.

But alas the charts on the link reveals the truth and the Alarmist must surely be ashamed of the propaganda they spew out every day.

Why don't they just give up this scam...It is absolute rubbish.

Chris Bowen is going to bring back the Carbon dioxide tax......Good news...


http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/...ts/chris_bowen_announces_dont_vote_for_labor/

 

[Tisme]

I wonder if there is any detail about the mass of ice in the Artic, rather than merely the area? Surely two NASA satellites working in tandem could map a three dimensional trend... rather than the one that is being used by protagonists to claim victory over antagonists.

http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/global.daily.ice.area.withtrend.jpg

 

[trainspotter]

Are you talking the land ice or the sea ice? Are you asking for the actual land mass or the total region?

What is the Arctic?

https://nsidc.org/cryosphere/arctic-meteorology/arctic.html

The Arctic consists of the Arctic Ocean and parts of Alaska (United States), Canada, Finland, Greenland (Denmark), Iceland, Norway, Russia, and Sweden. The Arctic region consists of a vast ocean with a seasonally varying ice cover, surrounded by treeless permafrost

Or are you talking about the actual "thickness" ?

The data indicate that Arctic sea ice thickness in the spring of 2015 is about 25 centimeters (10 inches) thicker than in 2013. Ice more than 3.5 meters (11.5 feet) thick is found off the coast of Greenland and the Canadian Archipelago, and scattered regions of 3-meter (10 feet) thick ice extend across the Beaufort and Chukchi seas. Elsewhere, most of the ice is 1.5 to 2.0 meters (4.9 to 6.6 feet) thick, typical for first-year ice at the end of winter.

http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/

This is the trouble with being non specific when it comes to "climate change" (or "climate observance") Parts of Antarctica and the Arctic region are building ice whilst parts are losing ice. Go figure. Something to do with wind and sea currents and ozone layers and volcanoes and which political party you belong to and how you can make money out of it with carbon credits and lotsa other tricky stuff if you have only one point of view.

 

[Tisme]

Thanks for that. Yeah I just wanted to know if the gross ice mass in the artic is less or more.

 

[basilio]

Thanks for that. Yeah I just wanted to know if the gross ice mass in the artic is less or more.

Good question and there is direct research on the topic. Check out teh following URls.
One point worth highlighting however from the research.

]Perspective: Ice Loss and Energy

It takes energy to melt sea ice. How much energy? The energy required to melt the 16,400 Km3 of ice that are lost every year (1979-2010 average) from April to September as part of the natural annual cycle is about 5 x 1021 Joules. For comparison, the U.S. Energy consumption for 2009 (www.eia.gov/totalenergy) was about 1 x 1020 J. So it takes about the 50 times the annual U.S. energy consumption to melt this much ice every year. This energy comes from the change in the distribution of solar radiation as the earth rotates around the sun.

To melt the additional 280 km3 of sea ice, the amount we have have been losing on an annual basis based on PIOMAS calculations, it takes roughly 8.6 x 1019 J or 86% of U.S. energy consumption.

http://psc.apl.uw.edu/research/projects/arctic-sea-ice-volume-anomaly/

Third dimension: new tools for sea ice thickness
May 6, 2015

As winter turns to spring, the seasonal decline in Arctic sea ice kicks into gear. April was marked by rapid ice loss at the beginning and end of the month. Air temperatures were higher than average over much of the Arctic Ocean. In the Antarctic, sea ice extent was the highest seen in April in the satellite record. This month we introduce data sets and online tools from new sensors that””combined with older sources””provide a more complete picture of ice thickness changes across the Arctic.

http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/

 

[basilio]

There is another research paper out on another glacier site in Antarctica that is looking dodgy

'Stable' Antarctic ice sheet may have started collapsing, scientists say

Southern Antarctic Peninsula ice sheet losing ice 8,500 times the mass of the Great Pyramid of Giza every year, satellite data shows
Antarctica’s ice loss

Karl Mathiesen

Friday 22 May 2015 04.00 AEST


A vast slab of Antarctic ice that was previously stable may have started to collapse, according to new analysis of satellite data.

Research published in the journal Science on Thursday found the Southern Antarctic Peninsula (SAP) ice sheet is losing ice into the ocean at a rate of 56 gigatons each year – about 8,500 times the mass of the Great Pyramid of Giza. This adds around 0.16mm per year to the global sea level.

The sheet’s thickness has remained stable since satellite observations began in 1992. But Professor Jonathan Bamber of Bristol university, who co-authored the study, said that around 2009 it very suddenly began to thin by an average of 42cm each year. Some areas had fallen by up to 4m.

“It hasn’t been going up, it hasn’t been going down – until 2009. Then it just seemed to pass some kind of critical threshold and went over a cliff and it’s been losing mass at a pretty much constant, rather large, rate,” said Bamber.

http://www.theguardian.com/environm...et-may-have-started-collapsing-scientists-say

 

[Tisme]

The other question I have is does anyone know what the ice temperature is and if it's currently heat soaking until it eventually melts? I'm guessing Nasa would have some kind of imagery.

I remember pre frost free fridges when the whole freezer would have gobs of ice around the walls, but the only place that dense ice resided was on the actual coil, the rest was just fluff and bubble which melted really quickly with the door left open. I'm wondering how much of that is what is being counted as seasonal loss and gain

 

[basilio]

Tisme if you check out the second last post you will find the information regarding how much energy it takes to melt the ice. It is considerable.

 

[Ijustnewit]

Global Warming , sorry Climate Change finally explained.

 

[basilio]

Global Warming , sorry Climate Change finally explained.

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You are clearly wasting TOO MUCH TIME on ASF!!

Go and defrost that poor fridge.

 

[trainspotter]

1) Be very, very wary of China's energy statistics

This caveat deserves to go up high. Glen Peters, a researcher at the University of Oslo, pointed out that China's coal consumption numbers are notoriously unreliable, and often get revised significantly years later.

Case in point: back in the late 1990s, China announced it was shuttering a bunch of smaller, illegal coal mines, and early estimates suggested that nationwide coal use dropped 20 percent in 1998. But it turned out that those coal mines didn't actually close, they just stopped reporting their numbers to the government. When BP reviewed the data years later, it turned out that China's coal use hadn't dropped at all in 1998:

http://www.vox.com/2015/5/22/8645455/china-emissions-coal-drop

Ever since 2000, China's CO2 emissions have been rising at a relentless pace, as the country rocketed itself out of poverty by burning billions of tons of coal for electricity, heat, and industry. China is now the world's biggest CO2 emitter, getting two-thirds of its energy from coal, and officials have long assumed emissions would keep rising until 2030 or so. It's a big reason global warming forecasts look so dire.

So until China gets on the Green wagon there aint much gonna happen on the ole temperature rising issue.

 

[basilio]

That was a very informative story regarding China's CO2 emissions TS.

On full reading it seems that China is making a big effort to reduce its coal emissions. These are as much to reduce the air pollution which is now catastrophic in many cities. In the end the need to reduce CO2 emissions to stabilize global warming and make air breathable in many cities will be the drivers.

But that's slowly changing. China is setting aggressive targets for clean energy, and the government has been cracking down on smog and other more conventional air pollutants, which entails steps like closing all the coal plants around Beijing by 2017. That suggests cleaner energy could start to cut into coal's growth in the years ahead.

Depending on how these various factors shake out, Houser says, most analysts expect that China's overall coal use will peak somewhere between 2018 and 2025. So even if this year's drop does prove something of a blip, coal consumption isn't expected to keep rising forever.

 

[trainspotter]

That was a very informative story regarding China's CO2 emissions TS.

On full reading it seems that China is making a big effort to reduce its coal emissions. These are as much to reduce the air pollution which is now catastrophic in many cities. In the end the need to reduce CO2 emissions to stabilize global warming and make air breathable in many cities will be the drivers.

Scary to think that a wet 2014 caused China to burn less coal as the hydro facilities were running full steam (pun intended) enough to reduce the Co2 emissions to the similar value of the whole of the UK's output in one year which was less than a 5% reduction in total of China's emissions !!