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Anything from the Australian would raise my suspicions for a start.
Not able to get your link up noco on my little device so womder if you could kindly put up a slice of thier angle.
Resisting Climate Hysteria
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Anything from the Australian would raise my suspicions for a start.
Not able to get your link up noco on my little device so womder if you could kindly put up a slice of thier angle.
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The Australian
Climate not as sensitive to carbon dioxide
The Australian
September 27, 2014 12:00AM
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Graham Lloyd
Environment Editor
Sydney
A NEW peer-reviewed paper using observations rather than computer models has found the Earth’s climate was l ess sensitive to increasing levels of carbon *dioxide in the atmosphere than predicted by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.
The findings have generated vigorous international debate about an issue that remains a key area of uncertainty in climate *science.
The paper, published in the journal Climate Dynamics, was prepared by US climate scientist Judith Curry and climate *researcher Nic Lewis.
Dr Curry said the sensitivity of climate to increasing concentrations of CO2 was at the heart of the scientific debate on anthropogenic climate change, and also the public debate on the appropriate policy response to increasing *carbon dioxide in the atmosphere.
She said climate sensitivity and estimates of its uncertainty were important to establishing the cost benefit of taking action to limit greenhouse gas emissions.
The Lewis and Curry paper does not claim to be the last word on the subject and said the major area of uncertainty was the role played by aerosols.
But the paper contains a much higher level of comfort than does the IPCC that the world will not exceed the two *degrees warming threshold set by the UN.
The Lewis and Curry paper said the best estimate for equilibrium climate sensitivity — the change in global mean surface temperature at equilibrium that is caused by a doubling of the *atmospheric CO2 concentration — was 1.64 degrees.
The temperature range given with a confidence level of 17 to 83 per cent was 1.25 to 2.45.
This range compares with a range of 1.5 to 4.5 given in the IPCC’s fifth assessment report for the same level of confidence.
Unlike the fourth assessment report, the IPCC’s most recent synthesis document did not give a best estimate for climate sensitivity. The Curry and Lewis paper’s best estimate for transient climate response — the temperature change at the time of CO2 doubling — was 1.33C with a range of 1.05C to 1.8C.
The IPCC range was 1.0C to 2.5C with no best estimate given.
The IPCC report acknowledges the scientific debate that continues over the issue of climate sensitivity and the different *results between models and analysis based on observations.
To arrive at their lower climate sensitivity range than the IPCC, Lewis and Curry analysed the Earth’s observed temperature change, ocean heat uptake and the level of human greenhouse gas emissions and natural *variability.
By contrasting the period 1859-82 with the period 1995- 2011 they estimated how much the Earth had warmed in association with human greenhouse gas emissions. Neither the Australian *Science Media Centre nor the University of NSW Centre of *Excellence Climate System Science commented on the Curry and Lewis paper yesterday.
Dr Curry said the paper was not the last word of climate sensitivity because it related only to the uncertainty in external forcing, surface temperature and ocean heat uptake.
It did not take account of solar influence or *internal variability.
In an essay published this week, President Barack Obama’s former climate advisor Steven Koonin said today’s best estimate of the sensitivity was no different, and no more certain, than it was 30 years ago despite billions of dollars having been spent.
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interesting and thanks for posting noco.
lt is very much a merrygoround article.
in fact 30 years ago there was so much concern that the IPCC was formed then driven by leaders such as Marggi Thatcher. But as the oil and coal lobby began to bite the pollies the hosing down began.
To be alarmed is now more than ever well justified as the current melt of perma ice increases and accellerates the release of methane.
Deniers like Abbott will soon meet the wrath of the people.
The wind storm with huge gusts along the Geelong freeway were very difficult for traffic today. Never seen it in spring like this before.
lt is very much a merrygoround article.
in fact 30 years ago there was so much concern that the IPCC was formed then driven by leaders such as Marggi Thatcher. But as the oil and coal lobby began to bite the pollies the hosing down began.
To be alarmed is now more than ever well justified as the current melt of perma ice increases and accellerates the release of methane.
Deniers like Abbott will soon meet the wrath of the people.
The wind storm with huge gusts along the Geelong freeway were very difficult for traffic today. Never seen it in spring like this before.
Mate, it is called climate change.....I have seen plenty of abnormal weather in the past 80 years....nothing new to me....Pure observation.
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Hobart has had it's hottest day in 27 years , also has smashed the September max daily averages by about 2 degrees creating another new record. Also earliest fire total ban ever in Southern Tasmania , now over a dozen fires burning.
As said never ever seen a Spring like this before.
www.abc.net.au/news/2014-09-28/tass...t-from-dover-fire/5774568?WT.ac=statenews_tas
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Agree, so have i, only 10 years less in fact, and my Dad of the land seeing the changes from the 60s was concerned that what was happening was far from normal.
The frogs at Hawkesdale West never returned after the drought of 68. They evolved there over many millions of years and now gone. It is different this time.
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A key issue in Tas at the moment is the SDI (soil dryness index).
In short, the ground is still just below saturation on the West Coast but it's a very long way short of that in the eastern half of the state. Most of the east coast would need close to 100mm to become saturated, and the chances of getting that much rain anytime soon are slim. It's starting to dry out in the central highlands too, though it's still possible (but by no means certain) that a sufficient fall could occur so as to bring the soil back to saturation.
Burnie - 36.3mm. Launceston 35.7mm. Hobart 83.7mm. Swansea 123.8mm. Poatina 32.1mm. Tarraleah village 9.5mm. Huonville 24.7mm. Strathgordon 3.3mm. Waratah 6.6mm.
Those figures are the amount of rainfall required to saturate the ground, after which significant run-off occurs if there is further rain. In general, the whole state is drier than normal but the east coast and around Hobart are the worst affected.
So what are you trying to tell me?
This all points to man made Global warming (oops sorry....Climate change.)?
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I'm trying to tell you we are currently experiencing weather that is way above what is average for Southern Tasmania as per 132 years of records.
I did not mention 1. man made or 2. global warming.
So don't jump to conclusions , actually I believe that climate and the earth are constantly evolving . Just like it has since it's inception. Who knows what's around the corner ?
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Yep, and the media also holds onto very short timeframes as well.
Once we go back in time further, we realise that we are not so special.
MW
the words of Muaurice Newman
“As a member of the World Meteorological Organisation, the Bom is inevitably caught up in global warming politics,” he wrote.
Thats the Australian Bureau of Meteorology he's referring to... and ahh no, the Bom studies weather using scientific method and reports it's findings,
But it representative that the current Government puts it faith in this drongo as an adviser.
“As a member of the World Meteorological Organisation, the Bom is inevitably caught up in global warming politics,” he wrote.
Thats the Australian Bureau of Meteorology he's referring to... and ahh no, the Bom studies weather using scientific method and reports it's findings,
But it representative that the current Government puts it faith in this drongo as an adviser.
long term revised empirical study of meteorological data .......... that about somes it up.
can anybody explain Maurice Newman?
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Rockefeller heirs shift out of oil and coal to renewables
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Aha, astrology.
Since the world was formed from a fireball 4.5 trillion years ago it has been cooling down as it races around a cooling sun. So why is the earth getting hotter you ask?
Nar, don't ask silly questions or you'll get a crack around the ears for being cheeky.
How science works
I REFER to “Scientists scotch ‘tenuous’ 2C climate goal” (2/10) in which scientists claim that global temperature rises are not what should be watched, but, rather, ocean heat content, high latitude temperatures and carbon dioxide concentration.
They want to do this because global temperature has not behaved the way they thought it should ”” and they can’t get governments to do what the scientists believe they should. Fair enough, but we should all note that in this they are not acting as scientists.
Science is about postulating a hypothesis, testing it with new data, and modifying the hypothesis. It is not about advocating a particular course of action. Nor is it about measuring things to promote a particular course of action. Both of these are political activities. The change in carbon dioxide concentration is not correlated with the lack of change in temperature in the past 16 years and is therefore not implicated as a climate driver.
Colin Davidson, Fadden, ACT
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We are being fed a great deal of rubbish in order to confuse and maintain the,status Quo for the big end of town.
On the oceans, they are absorbing more heat from the now warming earth than was anticipated. this can only go for so long and down the track the warming will then accellerate.
These matters are general knowledge now, it is just a matter of what side.YOU WANT TO BE ON and how much personal research you are doing for yourself.
Our current government is becoming very much alone on this issue.
On the oceans, they are absorbing more heat from the now warming earth than was anticipated. this can only go for so long and down the track the warming will then accellerate.
These matters are general knowledge now, it is just a matter of what side.YOU WANT TO BE ON and how much personal research you are doing for yourself.
Our current government is becoming very much alone on this issue.
Yes I must agree with you, there has been an enormous amount of rubbish put out by the likes of Tim Flannery, Al Gore, Ban-Ki-moon and Di Caprio.
Is our Government is becoming very much alone on what issue.......Global Warming......"Climate Change" or an emissions trading scheme?
The Alarmist will just not accept the facts that they have been proven wrong......They still carry on with their stupid propaganda.
Another link which contradicts what the the alarmists are saying.
http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/...|heading|homepage|homepage&itmt=1412638031416
GLOBAL WARMING??????? WHAT GLOBAL WARMING??????
Where are the ALARMISTS lately...have they all gone into hiding.
They must be so embarrassed as to what is happening with CLIMATE CHANGE.
http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/...mments/where_are_the_warmists_one_year_later/
Where are the ALARMISTS lately...have they all gone into hiding.
They must be so embarrassed as to what is happening with CLIMATE CHANGE.
http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/...mments/where_are_the_warmists_one_year_later/
