Resisting Climate Hysteria

[Ijustnewit]

Freezing cold....lots of rain ......lots of snow....the dams are filling up in Victoria.....

Where is Tim Flannery?......Will somebody tell him how wrong his predictions have been.

It has got to be GLOBAL WARMING causing it!!!!!!



http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/vi...er-hits-victoria/story-fni0fit3-1226964010343

Perhaps Tim has moved to Hobart , I've done some more research today and found it is actually 38 months in a row of above average temperatures. It's over 15 degrees here gain today and I just collected another 6 tomatoes from my vine. If anywhere is being affected by any type of constant warming , for whatever reason it's Tasmania.

 

[noco]

Perhaps Tim has moved to Hobart , I've done some more research today and found it is actually 38 months in a row of above average temperatures. It's over 15 degrees here gain today and I just collected another 6 tomatoes from my vine. If anywhere is being affected by any type of constant warming , for whatever reason it's Tasmania.

It is a pity he didn't move to Siberia

 

[explod]

It is a pity he didn't move to Siberia

All of this stutter/stammering and spitting noco is not going to change the changing situation.

The change to climate is accelerating and the Indians are starting to notice.

Any government that does not give the issue serious attention will in due course be swept from office.

 

[wayneL]

All of this stutter/stammering and spitting noco is not going to change the changing situation.

The change to climate is accelerating and the Indians are starting to notice.

Any government that does not give the issue serious attention will in due course be swept from office.

Plod you are delusional. Can you please provide evidence of this acceleration.

 

[basilio]

Plod you are delusional. Can you please provide evidence of this acceleration.

Explod is delusional re the acceleration of global warming concern ? Give us a break Wayne. Did you remember the discussion concerning the breakdown of the Antarctic ice shelf earlier this year ? Two separate studies coming to the same conclusion - we face an ongoing increase in sea levels as Antarctic glaciers collapse.

The question that remains is how quickly this will occur and that is largely up to how quickly we continue to warm the oceans.

Or perhaps you might have noticed how ridiculously warm it has been in Australia this Autumn ? In fact Wayne the whole world was ridiculously warm in May. This seems to be a precursor to an El Nino event which, according to the experts, will be even more savage than the 1997 year.

No evidence Wayne? Just open your eyes..

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...n-record-may-signal-warmest-year-in-pipeline/

 

[So_Cynical]

Can you please provide evidence of this acceleration.

http://www.ipcc.ch/

The very fact that we have had a UN agency dealing with this issue for 30 years is evidence enough, Wayne i would be interested if you could point me to any UN agency that deals with something that does not exist?

 

[noco]

All of this stutter/stammering and spitting noco is not going to change the changing situation.

The change to climate is accelerating and the Indians are starting to notice.

Any government that does not give the issue serious attention will in due course be swept from office.

What a load of codswaddle.

 

[wayneL]

 

[explod]

Plod you are delusional. Can you please provide evidence of this acceleration.

This forum is one for ordinary people to state ideas, thoughts and feelings based on everyday experience and observations. I have put forward many of these, to the demise of frogs at Hawkesdale in the 60s, not long after, the clearing of vast tracts of Forrest for farming near the Otways, to the more recent extinction of possums at Mount Martha (it took many millions of years for them to evolve there). And recently roses that do not normally flower till cup day are out and three weeks ago the wattles began to bloom two months early.

Now this you may say is not proof and has all happened before. On its own of course not, just as the burning of fuel is not the whole story. Population growth and the cutting down of trees are all a part of the story.

But to the farmers and gardeners who I have been close to for more than sixty years, something from that collective tells me that things with our climate are going very wrong. From my Greatgranfather, a man of the land here from the 1860s, his and the stories of others of his vintage about the rains, seasons and crops tells me this part of the world has changed dramatically.

I wil concede that my observations up north in Queensland as a young shearer of the country going bad and the sheep having to be trucked out was certainly due to overgrazing. But again it is still part of the overall problems facing us and contributing to global warming and destroying our fragile planet.

We have also discussed the reports of the IPPC and how before release their reports have been watered down to conform with the agenda's of governments. In fact the 2007 IPPC report excluded facts presented to them of the vast amounts of methane hydrate from the arctic. Methane is 22 times worse than carbon dioxide (as a warming agent) so it is suggested warming will be much faster from now on. Climate Wars, Dyer 2008. Of course since then we have learned that methane is now escaping from under the ice sheets of Antartica.

And, whoa whoop, we see on tellie tonight Clive Palmers stating that global warming is an issue that we must do something about. Of course he will be playing the political game for Clive and his large coal holdings of course. However the interesting point is that he realises, as I averred to in my previous post, the ever increasing numbers of CLIMATE HYSTERICAL PEOPLE, need to be appeased if one is to hold his seat in future elections.

And without us ordinary people here on Aussie Stock Forums OLE PAL, where would you be.

 

[explod]

What a load of codswaddle.

Could you kindly clarify that noco. Or has codswaddle encompassed a whole new set of dialogue.

Getting worried about Christopher Pyne's seat are we ole pal.

 

[wayneL]

This forum is one for ordinary people to state ideas, thoughts and feelings based on everyday experience and observations. I have put forward many of these, to the demise of frogs at Hawkesdale in the 60s, not long after, the clearing of vast tracts of Forrest for farming near the Otways, to the more recent extinction of possums at Mount Martha (it took many millions of years for them to evolve there). And recently roses that do not normally flower till cup day are out and three weeks ago the wattles began to bloom two months early.

Now this you may say is not proof and has all happened before. On its own of course not, just as the burning of fuel is not the whole story. Population growth and the cutting down of trees are all a part of the story.

But to the farmers and gardeners who I have been close to for more than sixty years, something from that collective tells me that things with our climate are going very wrong. From my Greatgranfather, a man of the land here from the 1860s, his and the stories of others of his vintage about the rains, seasons and crops tells me this part of the world has changed dramatically.

I wil concede that my observations up north in Queensland as a young shearer of the country going bad and the sheep having to be trucked out was certainly due to overgrazing. But again it is still part of the overall problems facing us and contributing to global warming and destroying our fragile planet.

We have also discussed the reports of the IPPC and how before release their reports have been watered down to conform with the agenda's of governments. In fact the 2007 IPPC report excluded facts presented to them of the vast amounts of methane hydrate from the arctic. Methane is 22 times worse than carbon dioxide (as a warming agent) so it is suggested warming will be much faster from now on. Climate Wars, Dyer 2008. Of course since then we have learned that methane is now escaping from under the ice sheets of Antartica.

And, whoa whoop, we see on tellie tonight Clive Palmers stating that global warming is an issue that we must do something about. Of course he will be playing the political game for Clive and his large coal holdings of course. However the interesting point is that he realises, as I averred to in my previous post, the ever increasing numbers of CLIMATE HYSTERICAL PEOPLE, need to be appeased if one is to hold his seat in future elections.

And without us ordinary people here on Aussie Stock Forums OLE PAL, where would you be.

I happen to be with you on many of these point Plod. As I have stated ad nauseum and ad infinitum, I am deeply concerned about environmental degradation, have been my entire life. Was a member of Greenpeace until I figured out their political agenda.

How many time do I have to farking say that so you clowns stop using that straw man argument.

However, you stated that global warming is accelerating, yet the graph I just posted illustrates quite clearly the warming hiatus we are currently experiencing. Scientific acknowledgment is everywhere on that point. It could eventually continue to warm again, or there could be a cooling phase, we don't know.

The Apocalypse idolaters will of course point to some such portenders of doom such as west Antarctica and without a skerrick of analysis and proper scientific scrutiny run around screaming in pecuniarily interested panic, but overall, there is work in other areas that need our attention rather than this particular bogeyman.

 

[wayneL]

BTW, You folks enduring the blizzard in the southern states.... it's the Gore Effect HAHA hilarious. It never fails!

THE 'AL GORE EFFECT' STRIKES CANBERRA
With Al Gore visiting Canberra today, it's little surprise that the 'Al Gore Effect' has struck again.
The 'Al Gore Effect' is defined by the Urban Dictionary as;
"the phenomenon that leads to unseasonably cold temperatures, driving rain, hail, or snow whenever Al Gore visits an area to discuss global warming."
There are countless examples of Al Gore visiting a city, only for freezing below normal temperatures to strike.
Simply the phenomenon of the 'Al Gore Affect' is Mother Nature laughing at Al Gore, as he jet sets around the world preaching that we are all doing to fry, Mother Nature turns on an icy blast of freezing weather.
In Canberra it was only last month that the Bureau of Meteorology foretold that Canberra was likely to experience "a dry and warmer-than-average winter".
But as Al Gore rolled into Canberra - so to did blizzard conditions, icy temperatures and a big dump of snow in surrounding mountains. https://www.facebook.com/CraigKellyMP/posts/253204774874164

 

[basilio]

Great stuff Wayne. You dismiss the West Antarctic research ( two separate studies done over many years) on the condition of the ice shelf with a wave of your hand. Your not even capable of wanting to check it out properly in case, God forbid, we actually do have to pack up all our seaside cities and move them uphill. (Piece of cake really ..)

You don't even bother to reflect on the fact that May this year was the warmest on record around the world and the implications of that. (Did you actually bother to check the article ? )

Instead you throw up a deliberately confusing mass of temperature graphs from 1996 to now to somehow throw fairy dust on what has been happening over the last 100 years. What could I compare that to ? That's right - it would be like looking at a cars temperature gauge that was sitting on the red line and being content that it hasn't gone over the edge in the last 10 minutes.

And if you wanted to see what was actually happening to the earths temperature since 1996 there is plenty of other evidence to show that we still warming up - despite the ups and downs of La Nina ect. But that would spoil your story wouldn't it ?

For someone who pretends to "look at all the evidence" your a complete joke.

http://www.skepticalscience.com/global-warming-stopped-in-1998-intermediate.htm

 

[Knobby22]

BTW, You folks enduring the blizzard in the southern states.... it's the Gore Effect HAHA hilarious. It never fails!

Gore is a rain/winter god, that's why he is against global warming, it is weakening his power.

 

[wayneL]

Great stuff Wayne. You dismiss the West Antarctic research ( two separate studies done over many years) on the condition of the ice shelf with a wave of your hand. Your not even capable of wanting to check it out properly in case, God forbid, we actually do have to pack up all our seaside cities and move them uphill. (Piece of cake really ..)

You don't even bother to reflect on the fact that May this year was the warmest on record around the world and the implications of that. (Did you actually bother to check the article ? )

Instead you throw up a deliberately confusing mass of temperature graphs from 1996 to now to somehow throw fairy dust on what has been happening over the last 100 years. What could I compare that to ? That's right - it would be like looking at a cars temperature gauge that was sitting on the red line and being content that it hasn't gone over the edge in the last 10 minutes.

And if you wanted to see what was actually happening to the earths temperature since 1996 there is plenty of other evidence to show that we still warming up - despite the ups and downs of La Nina ect. But that would spoil your story wouldn't it ?

For someone who pretends to "look at all the evidence" your a complete joke.

http://www.skepticalscience.com/global-warming-stopped-in-1998-intermediate.htm

I was going to go to the trouble to fisk this fallacious drivel. But I think intelligent folks can probably discern who is most open to the broad spectrum of science on the topic and who is only prepared to consider that which supports his or her opinion.

It is futile debating with a liar who continues to fallaciously misrepresent my position.

 

[basilio]

I was going to go to the trouble to fisk this fallacious drivel. But I think intelligent folks can probably discern who is most open to the broad spectrum of science on the topic and who is only prepared to consider that which supports his or her opinion.

It is futile debating with a liar who continues to fallaciously misrepresent my position.

Totally agree here Wayne. That is exactly what I feel about your narrow, deceitful drivel.

By the way did you ever bother to check out the Skeptical Science reference which outlined "the broad spectrum of science" and total picture regarding global warming ? At least 9 different graphs there and a cogent discussion to go with them. But clearly No ?

http://www.skepticalscience.com/global-warming-stopped-in-1998-intermediate.htm

To claim global warming stopped in 1998 overlooks one simple physical reality - the land and atmosphere are just a small fraction of the Earth's climate (albeit the part we inhabit). The entire planet is accumulating heat due to an energy imbalance. The atmosphere is warming. Oceans are accumulating energy. Land absorbs energy and ice absorbs heat to melt. To get the full picture on global warming, you need to view the Earth's entire heat content.

This analysis is performed in An observationally based energy balance for the Earth since 1950 (Murphy 2009) which adds up heat content from the ocean, atmosphere, land and ice. To calculate the Earth's total heat content, the authors used data of ocean heat content from the upper 700 metres. They included heat content from deeper waters down to 3000 metres depth. They computed atmospheric heat content using the surface temperature record and the heat capacity of the troposphere. Land and ice heat content (the energy required to melt ice) were also included.

And it does continue in detail doesn't it ?

 

[wayneL]

Totally agree here Wayne. That is exactly what I feel about your narrow, deceitful drivel.

By the way did you ever bother to check out the Skeptical Science reference which outlined "the broad spectrum of science" and total picture regarding global warming ? At least 9 different graphs there and a cogent discussion to go with them. But clearly No ?

http://www.skepticalscience.com/global-warming-stopped-in-1998-intermediate.htm



And it does continue in detail doesn't it ?

I must admit, that (un)SkepticalScience, being an advocacy site rather than a science site, is about the last place I would look for a balanced view. This, vindicated by the consensus project fiasco where Cook et al managed to irreversibly sublimate their credibility to the ether.... the gaseous state of their nuked integrity probably, like toxic halogens, adding to the greenhouse effect in quantum magnitude over even h20 vapors.

At your bidding however, I did take a cursory glance... curious how the ocean heat graph correlates to actual ARGO data (hint: it doesn't).

BTW, would it help if I sent you a miniature facsimile of myself to relieve your angst... you could stick pins in it and do a dance with chicken entrails or whatever rituals you religious apocalyptic warministas indulge in.... freight forward of course

 

[medicowallet]

It will be a year long remembered, it has seen the end of asylum seekers, it will soon see the end of the carbon tax.

MW

 

[explod]

It will be a year long remembered, it has seen the end of asylum seekers, it will soon see the end of the carbon tax.

MW

Yes, but it will not end the suffering of the poor souls displaced with our involvement in the wars of Iraq and Afghanistan.

Nor will it stop climate change.

 

[basilio]

BTW, would it help if I sent you a miniature facsimile of myself to relieve your angst... you could stick pins in it and do a dance with chicken entrails or whatever rituals you religious apocalyptic warministas indulge in.... freight forward of course Wayne l

Thanks.. but no thank you. Be more of a waste of time than .. practically anything else I could possibly think of.