Resisting Climate Hysteria

[Smurf1976]

with the continued unseasonal weather, which few here would wish to change, we can expect the Green support to continue upwards.

The sad thing is, some people will indeed change their views on climate change based on short term weather.

At the risk of stating the obvious on a stock forum, climate, managing weather-related issues (eg water resources) and share trading all have a lot in common.

If you have a share trading system then you ought to know, based on proper back testing and accumulated operating experience, what outcomes to expect. You know there will be good times and bad, but as long as the outcomes remain within the expected range then you carry on business as usual and apply the system.

Same with managing water resources. You know, based on proper meteorological records and simulations based on the actual dams etc you have, what to expect. You don't panic because it was blue sky and sunshine every day for a month, you have to view it in context of the range of possible outcomes based on past data and take action accordingly. It's only if the long term averages or the absolute extremes change significantly that you need to be worried, simply having blue sky for a few weeks isn't a problem in itself.

And it's the same with the weather itself. A 45 degree day in Adelaide or an overnight low below freezing in Canberra or Launceston is not in itself anything unusual. And we know that some years will be hotter, colder, wetter or drier than others. Unless something truly outside all reasonable expectations were to occur, for example it reaches 45 degrees in Melbourne in July or it snows in Darwin, well then short term weather within the expected range is not cause for concern in itself.

If simply having an El Nino causes anyone to change their vote then that's a very sad reflection on both those individuals and any politician intentionally seeking to gain support by that means. Voting based on a long term trend and proposed responses to it yes, but not short term weather that's just ridiculous.

 

[wayneL]

With the footings melting away under the permanent ice sheets my fear is that time is running out.

So how is a carbon tax going to stop geothermal activity?

http://www.utexas.edu/news/2014/06/10/antarctic-glacier-melting/

 

[explod]

So how is a carbon tax going to stop geothermal activity?

http://www.utexas.edu/news/2014/06/10/antarctic-glacier-melting/

It won't, the inner heat has always been there. However since its hot formation the inner earth is cooling.

These findings of course are clearer as the permanent ice shrinks and new observations made.

The carbon tax was an important start down a long road to try and repair our damage. It is the psychology on changing the direction of industry that is important.

 

[noco]

It won't, the inner heat has always been there. However since its hot formation the inner earth is cooling.

These findings of course are clearer as the permanent ice shrinks and new observations made.

The carbon tax was an important start down a long road to try and repair our damage. It is the psychology on changing the direction of industry that is important.

What damage are you talking about?.......and so far the carbon tax has done nothing to repair nil damage.

 

[explod]

What damage are you talking about?.......and so far the carbon tax has done nothing to repair nil damage.

January 2008, from memory, the population of ringtailed possums along Balcombe Creek, Mount Martha, perished, having evolved and resided there for many millions of years. It hit 48 degrees that day.

The frogs on our farm at Hawkesdale stopped regenerating after the drought of 1968. And one could go on.

It's getting hot our there noco. I think the scientists must work for your mob and have their reports vetted before release to the press.

On the carbon tax, it would force industry to persue envionmentally cleaner power and fuel alternatives. Industry will not change its ways without financial pressure. But of course under the Thatcher evolved liberal idea you think we can trust them to seek better and cleaner ways. But where money is concerned, you can trust no one.

 

[medicowallet]

On the carbon tax, it would force industry to persue envionmentally cleaner power and fuel alternatives. Industry will not change its ways without financial pressure. But of course under the Thatcher evolved liberal idea you think we can trust them to seek better and cleaner ways. But where money is concerned, you can trust no one.

Access to cheap energy affords to means to spend money on R&D to develop fuel alternatives.

But hey, lets do the futile thing and hinder our economy to do nothing, whilst other countries do nothing and have the option to divert money to profit producing ventures, rendering us obsolete.

If I ran my businesses like the government manages the economy, I would have been bankrupt.

MW

 

[Smurf1976]

On the carbon tax, it would force industry to persue envionmentally cleaner power and fuel alternatives.

Agreed in theory that it could be applied that way.

But the carbon tax that Australia has actually had for almost 2 years isn't set up to work this way, thus making it pretty much just a tax as such. To work effectively, such a tax needs to not have escape clauses and needs to look at the full fuel cycle not just point of use.

 

[trainspotter]

Hysteria at it's finest:-

A WARNING in the official NSW government handbook for learner drivers, stating that climate change could cause dangerous road conditions due to heatwaves, storms, flooding and bushfires, is set to be removed.

The NSW Road Users’ Handbook, produced by Roads and Maritime Services, tells motorists that changes to climate “due to greenhouse gas emissions” are expected to cause “unpredictable weather events” and driving should be avoided in extreme conditions.

http://www.news.com.au/national/nsw...d-users-handbook/story-fnii5s3x-1226963140722

 

[explod]

Agreed in theory that it could be applied that way.

But the carbon tax that Australia has actually had for almost 2 years isn't set up to work this way, thus making it pretty much just a tax as such. To work effectively, such a tax needs to not have escape clauses and needs to look at the full fuel cycle not just point of use.

Absolutely agree Smurf, just a pity as it rolled out that the idea was not altered or adjusted to meet objectives aimed for.

The failure is a huge setback to a time (very much now IMV) when a constructive move from fossil fuels eventuates.

 

[noco]

GLOBAL WARMING???????WHAT GLOBAL WARMING ARE WE TALKING ABOUT.

the Southern Australian Alps are having the SNOW STORM OF THE CENTURY.

They are getting more snow than they know what to do with.


http://www.couriermail.com.au/trave...the-megablizzard/story-fnihr4pm-1226963855196

 

[So_Cynical]

GLOBAL WARMING???????WHAT GLOBAL WARMING ARE WE TALKING ABOUT.

The chief executive of Exxon Mobil Corp, for the first time called on Congress to enact a tax on greenhouse-gas emissions in order to fight global warming.

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB123146091530566335

Former US President George W. Bush’s treasury secretary Hank Paulson calls for a carbon tax.

http://www.businessinsider.com.au/hank-paulson-on-climate-change-2014-6

 

[noco]

The chief executive of Exxon Mobil Corp, for the first time called on Congress to enact a tax on greenhouse-gas emissions in order to fight global warming.

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB123146091530566335

Former US President George W. Bush’s treasury secretary Hank Paulson calls for a carbon tax.

http://www.businessinsider.com.au/hank-paulson-on-climate-change-2014-6

SC to the rescue of the fake alarmist.

There ain't no Global Warming...FULL STOP.....It is all a farce.

 

[Knobby22]

Noco

Did you see that graph that you posted from the Courier Mail article showing a consistent drop in snow fall since measurements were taken? This supports the fact that the earth is warming.
Honestly, I don't think you read what you post.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/travel...-1226963855196

(Anthony Sharwood in the Courier Mail will probably get punished for publishing that.)

You better write a letter to the Editor Noco and get him sacked.

 

[noco]

Noco

Did you see that graph that you posted from the Courier Mail article showing a consistent drop in snow fall since measurements were taken? This supports the fact that the earth is warming.
Honestly, I don't think you read what you post.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/travel...-1226963855196

(Anthony Sharwood in the Courier Mail will probably get punished for publishing that.)

You better write a letter to the Editor Noco and get him sacked.

Yes I noted the graph, but now from today it is starting to rise as we enter into a mini ice age.

 

[wayneL]

Noco

Did you see that graph that you posted from the Courier Mail article showing a consistent drop in snow fall since measurements were taken? This supports the fact that the earth is warming.
Honestly, I don't think you read what you post.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/travel...-1226963855196

(Anthony Sharwood in the Courier Mail will probably get punished for publishing that.)

You better write a letter to the Editor Noco and get him sacked.

A couple of points

*While the blizzard is eminently newsworthy, I find it curious that must necessarily turn into a mini treatise on climate change. Why do you think that is?

*Notwithstanding the current hiatus, we all know there has been a major warming trend since the conclusion of the little ice age. However, reducing trends in snowfall (precipitation) may be unrelated to warming, indeed a cooling trend, or land use changes , or some other factor, either natural or anthropogenic could have a similar result. In and of itself, all it supports is a trend in reduced precipitation.

 

[wayneL]

BTW did anyone see the paper on the correlation between atmospheric halogen levels and global temps?

http://www.science.uwaterloo.ca/~qblu/qblu_website/Welcome.html

 

[Knobby22]

I'd love it to be true as the CFCs are slowing being removed by the atmosphere but I fear that the graph shows a correlation that just happened to match global temperatures. if you search for correlations like that then you could probably link global temperature rises to the position Collingwood ended up on the Ladder that year.

Climate isn't that simple. But maybe it is partially true, which would be good.

 

[Ijustnewit]

GLOBAL WARMING???????WHAT GLOBAL WARMING ARE WE TALKING ABOUT.

the Southern Australian Alps are having the SNOW STORM OF THE CENTURY.

They are getting more snow than they know what to do with.


http://www.couriermail.com.au/trave...the-megablizzard/story-fnihr4pm-1226963855196

Meanwhile , Hobart is still seeing near record temperatures . It has now been two and half years since Hobart has had an average month of maximum temps or below. I don't know what the cause is ?? But an amazing achievement for Australia's most Southern Capital.
I'm looking into growing mangoes or pineapples if this keeps up .

 

[noco]

Freezing cold....lots of rain ......lots of snow....the dams are filling up in Victoria.....

Where is Tim Flannery?......Will somebody tell him how wrong his predictions have been.

It has got to be GLOBAL WARMING causing it!!!!!!



http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/vi...er-hits-victoria/story-fni0fit3-1226964010343

 

[wayneL]

I'd love it to be true as the CFCs are slowing being removed by the atmosphere but I fear that the graph shows a correlation that just happened to match global temperatures. if you search for correlations like that then you could probably link global temperature rises to the position Collingwood ended up on the Ladder that year.

Climate isn't that simple. But maybe it is partially true, which would be good.

100% with you on the correlation<>causation argument and put forth as an interesting point only, however, the correlation is certainly interesting and a worthy hypothesis imo. Certainly more interesting than where Collingwood was on the ladder, in respect to climate.