Resisting Climate Hysteria

[burglar]

Almost!

My posts were aimed at drawing attention to the need for increased levels of CO2 to support our current populace.

From what I can discern of the incessant blathering of climate alarmists (whom appear to be intent on catalysing a global panic) is that this angle hasn't been given adequate (if any) consideration!

I'd be interested to know if any of the thousands of "peer reviewed papers" of "relevant scientists" have even gone so far as to quantify the minimum amount of atmospheric CO2 required to support our current global ecosystem!

I am deeply concerned that alarmists will wind back
the atmospheric CO2 at any cost!
Only to find they were wrong.

Or even worse, Mother Nature swallows their efforts whole!
And they don't even find out they were wrong.

 

[sydboy007]

Almost!

My posts were aimed at drawing attention to the need for increased levels of CO2 to support our current populace.

From what I can discern of the incessant blathering of climate alarmists (whom appear to be intent on catalysing a global panic) is that this angle hasn't been given adequate (if any) consideration!

I'd be interested to know if any of the thousands of "peer reviewed papers" of "relevant scientists" have even gone so far as to quantify the minimum amount of atmospheric CO2 required to support our current global ecosystem!

So you believe because there's more humans and domesticated animals that we need more CO2 in the atmosphere to maintain some sort of balance?

But then don't we also need an increase in the amount of CO2 scrubbing from the atmosphere to maintain that balance? Humans alone would put something like 620M tonnes of CO2 into the atmosphere just from respiration.

Doesn't the burning of 7 odd billion tonnes of coal and 4 billion tonnes of oil each year mean the balance is tipped to over supply of CO2. Levels have already doubled since the industrial revolution started, and we've seen a marked reduction in the land based areas devoted to photosynthesis.

 

[cynic]

So you believe because there's more humans and domesticated animals that we need more CO2 in the atmosphere to maintain some sort of balance?

Correct!

But then don't we also need an increase in the amount of CO2 scrubbing from the atmosphere to maintain that balance? Humans alone would put something like 620M tonnes of CO2 into the atmosphere just from respiration.

Doesn't the burning of 7 odd billion tonnes of coal and 4 billion tonnes of oil each year mean the balance is tipped to over supply of CO2. Levels have already doubled since the industrial revolution started, and we've seen a marked reduction in the land based areas devoted to photosynthesis.

About three decades ago, when I first came to understand the profound relevance of a certain passage within the "emerald tablet" I came to recognise what this planet truly is, and why the current burning of fossil fuels by mankind is a valid (and likely transitory) stage in the natural evolution of this planet. Before then I was at serious risk of becoming an anti-automobile activist! I laughed when I realised how terrribly wrong my previous beliefs had been!
Carbon based fuels (of some form) that react with oxygen to produce heat, CO2 and water vapour will need to be consumed by mankind into the foreseeable future. This is essential for supporting the continued health of this planet!
The reasons for this will likely remain unclear to those whom are too egotistical to recognise mankind's true function in respect to this planet!

 

[cynic]

I am deeply concerned that alarmists will wind back
the atmospheric CO2 at any cost!
Only to find they were wrong.

Or even worse, Mother Nature swallows their efforts whole!
And they don't even find out they were wrong.

I share your fears and sentiments in this regard!
I might have been willing to entertain the possibility of being wrong in order to engage in courteous and logical debate. However, I have seen little evidence to suggest that such courtesy would be sufficiently reciprocated to enable a productive exchange.

 

[burglar]

... a productive exchange.

I would define a productive exchange as inhaling and exhaling,
whilst hoping that somewhere out there,
sufficient photosynthesis was completing the cycle!

... little evidence to suggest that such courtesy would be sufficiently reciprocated ...

At least he can't physically smack you?!

 

[orr]

Correct!



About three decades ago, when I first came to understand the profound relevance of a certain passage within the "emerald tablet" I came to recognise what this planet truly is, and why the current burning of fossil fuels by mankind is a valid (and likely transitory) stage in the natural evolution of this planet. Before then I was at serious risk of becoming an anti-automobile activist! I laughed when I realised how terrribly wrong my previous beliefs had been!
Carbon based fuels (of some form) that react with oxygen to produce heat, CO2 and water vapour will need to be consumed by mankind into the foreseeable future. This is essential for supporting the continued health of this planet!
The reasons for this will likely remain unclear to those whom are too egotistical to recognise mankind's true function in respect to this planet!

My preference would be a non transition to some form of primordial 'green grey' algae. But that's me, but with a sage like philosophical mysticism Cynic has 'The Green Tablet" at his bosom... sorry 'Emerald'

Hey Waynel,and your fellow travellers, This guy's on your side of the fence.... Ahhh, Keep him there .

..... This line was redacted due to what may be the fragile 'health' of one this threads Contributors...

How are you going SydBoy. Jaw dropper or what????

 

[cynic]

My preference would be a non transition to some form of primordial 'green grey' algae. But that's me, but with a sage like philosophical mysticism Cynic has 'The Green Tablet" at his bosom... sorry 'Emerald'

Hey Waynel,and your fellow travellers, This guy's on your side of the fence.... Ahhh, Keep him there .

..... This line was redacted due to what may be the fragile 'health' of one this threads Contributors...

How are you going SydBoy. Jaw dropper or what????

Oh I'm sorry! I thought this was the "Religion is Crazy" Thread!

Hang on a minute!!! It is a religious thread!!! (Just not the one that I thought it was!)

By the way, I am on my side of the fence and am willing to stand alone if need be!

Would you care to relinquish the comfort of your devout peers and meet me in single debate on a field of logic and direct observation?

 

[basilio]

Cynic is expounding a very well developed argument on the value and virtues of extra CO2 in the atmosphere.

He is certainly not alone in his views. If you find the right web sites with the right stories you can certainly find a justification for letting CO2 emissions rip and burning as much fossil fuel as we can get our hands on.

(Or course one if accepts all that science on the positive side of extra CO2 emission you have to be equally rigorous to weed out any evidence that extra CO2 will raise temperatures to dangerous levels...

http://www.plantsneedco2.org/default.aspx/MenuItemID/73/MenuGroup/Home.htm

 

[basilio]

And... surprise , surprise , surprise.

The "Plants need CO2" is the love child of some of the largest coal owners and fossil fuel companies around.
Who would have guessed such a group would be so interested in mankind and so knowledgeable about the effects of the material they produce in abundance ?

http://sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Plants_Need_CO2

 

[sydboy007]

Correct!



About three decades ago, when I first came to understand the profound relevance of a certain passage within the "emerald tablet" I came to recognise what this planet truly is, and why the current burning of fossil fuels by mankind is a valid (and likely transitory) stage in the natural evolution of this planet. Before then I was at serious risk of becoming an anti-automobile activist! I laughed when I realised how terrribly wrong my previous beliefs had been!
Carbon based fuels (of some form) that react with oxygen to produce heat, CO2 and water vapour will need to be consumed by mankind into the foreseeable future. This is essential for supporting the continued health of this planet!
The reasons for this will likely remain unclear to those whom are too egotistical to recognise mankind's true function in respect to this planet!

I'm trying to work out if you're joking or serious.

Possibly you need to open the windows or get some plants as you're showing signs of the effects of high CO2 levels on a human

 

[trainspotter]

Post of the month right here @ #5070 ....lol

 

[noco]

The game is over for the Global Warming Scientist and their money making scam has been exposed.

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/..._pause_may_destroy_the_reputation_of_science/

 

[Smurf1976]

So far as human brain performance is concerned, it would be interesting to know the typical CO2 concentration in various types of buildings. Houses, offices etc. In particular, I wonder how high it gets in buildings with unflued fuel burning (usually but not always gas) heaters which release significant CO@ into the indoor environment?

It would also be interesting to know how 600 ppm compares with a lower level, say 400 ppm or 250 ppm? Have we already reached a point where outdoor CO2 levels are high enough to have some impact?

 

[sydboy007]

So far as human brain performance is concerned, it would be interesting to know the typical CO2 concentration in various types of buildings. Houses, offices etc. In particular, I wonder how high it gets in buildings with unflued fuel burning (usually but not always gas) heaters which release significant CO@ into the indoor environment?

It would also be interesting to know how 600 ppm compares with a lower level, say 400 ppm or 250 ppm? Have we already reached a point where outdoor CO2 levels are high enough to have some impact?

My understanding is we've already hit the 400 level in the atmosphere. There was a major call for the unflued gas heaters in NSW schools to be removed or flued. Other issues were the NOx formed from the burning of gas.

I'd be surprised if a lot of older office buildings don't have relatively high levels of CO2 considering the low levels of fresh air brought in and the fact the fresh air will have higher levels of CO and CO2.

Maybe CO2 will be our lead pipes equivalent of the Roman Empire

 

[burglar]

Keep hydrated folks!

/forecasts/adelaide

 

[Smurf1976]

Keep hydrated folks!

/forecasts/adelaide

Adelaide just happens to be where I'm heading to tomorrow. And on Friday at least, I'll be outdoors all day in a nice, pleasant 40 degrees with the sun shining down.

It was 38.9 in Hobart today however so I've had a bit of a trial run with the heat, or you could call that a "warm up" I suppose.

 

[explod]

Adelaide just happens to be where I'm heading to tomorrow. And on Friday at least, I'll be outdoors all day in a nice, pleasant 40 degrees with the sun shining down.

It was 38.9 in Hobart today however so I've had a bit of a trial run with the heat, or you could call that a "warm up" I suppose.

Yeh, it was forcast for 36 but hit 43.2 here yesterday (could that be downramping). Native possums all perished from the heat of the last few years. Wonder why after taking a couple of millions of years to evolve here that they cannot take it anymore.

Cooled off to 24 today though. Notice a large flock of galars on the southern peninisula here now. 50 years ago when I used to go north for the shearing we never saw galars till we hit NSW (And I was a Guild League bird watcher too). Would you check the spelling of galars please wayne, not sure how to look it up and write at the same time.

Anyhow, not a good vibe here anymore; oh, and can you believe they are even telling us that coal smoke is just as good as wood smoke.

 

[explod]

My understanding is we've already hit the 400 level in the atmosphere. There was a major call for the unflued gas heaters in NSW schools to be removed or flued. Other issues were the NOx formed from the burning of gas.

I'd be surprised if a lot of older office buildings don't have relatively high levels of CO2 considering the low levels of fresh air brought in and the fact the fresh air will have higher levels of CO and CO2.

Maybe CO2 will be our lead pipes equivalent of the Roman Empire

You are correct SB. In fact alarm bells were first pressed by scientists when we went over 250p/m. It was Maggie Thatcher that then instigated the IPCC (??) to get the world behind reductions. Gotta laugh about that though cause then along came the oil and coal industry and the future of pollies pension fund.

Currently thinking about radio laser transportation of Grandchildren. But trying to increase the speed beyond light years is a stumbling block at the moment.

 

[medicowallet]

Nice musings about the weather above. Not sure how this matters in a climate thread. Perhaps talking about the recent weather in america would be a relevant addition to this weather debate.

 

[cynic]

You are correct SB. In fact alarm bells were first pressed by scientists when we went over 250p/m. It was Maggie Thatcher that then instigated the IPCC (??) to get the world behind reductions. Gotta laugh about that though cause then along came the oil and coal industry and the future of pollies pension fund.

Currently thinking about radio laser transportation of Grandchildren. But trying to increase the speed beyond light years is a stumbling block at the moment.

For the benefit of those whom don't understand science (many of whom frequent this thread!), a light year is not a measure of speed or velocity, it is a measure of the distance that light can travel in one year!