Resisting Climate Hysteria

[trainspotter]

Also, I am s gentleman and a scholar, not nasty at all. Ask anyone who knows me ;-)

Now you are just taking the piss ..

 

[explod]

We'll just gave smile about the tautology and let that go through to the keeper, but you are suggesting the Pielkes, Curry, Motl, and the thousands of scientists from various disciplines, who take a more moderate line are all liers? Tell you what basilio, why don't you get on to motl' blog and call him a lier, because these are the caliber of scientists from whom i have formed my own view.

Not only that, you are casting aspersions on the ASF moderating team?

Dude, I have not misrepresented anyone, never misrepresented your views, never created the sort of appalling straw man arguments you are guilty of. I have always been completely honest... and you have the bad form to try to call me and those scientists liers?

Good God man, you really need to give yourself an uppercut! Your lack of honour knows no bounds.

Also, I am s gentleman and a scholar, not nasty at all. Ask anyone who knows me ;-)

We can add self praise to the mix and to also end that old saying "...and your bloods worth bottlin"

Scientists are these days required to follow the status quo, unis have been gradually privatised so we have a staff bread and butter issue going on here now too.

As I have quoted in the past, the conference deliberations and consensus at the climate meetings are massaged prior to being acceptable and only then put up to be voted on. And although current IPPC projections still do not look too good we need to remember that the evidence relating to methane was not allowed to be included as far back as 2007.

And wayneL, as a moderator one would expect impartiality at least. But no, you demand answers from others but when answered the new questions raised are ignored by yourself.

And a gentleman you say. I have made blunders in the past but always quick to admit wrong and apologize. It takes a lot to see ones weak side but to reach that point is to move forward in my view.

A good discussion is about working the conversation at a level that includes all links in the chain. Mandella personified it.

But on this thread we (1) have a moderator involving himself emotively and (2) giving all the appearance of being biased, oh and (3) after the last statement, openly showing where he is up.

And as a bit of a leftie, does that mean my words have no merit Champ, (the use of the term in Australia of "commo" began with Bob Menzies, and we know about his sales of pig ion to Japan so that they could shoot our own men too) just means that I started out as a hard worker, AWU member and have not forgotten my Grandma,s wisdom born of the great depression. And now love helping the poor. So I feel usefull to my fellow man being left. Caught the bus today and love walking. Trying to reduce my footprints on the planet, worth thinking on.

Now where were we,

ahhh I know, trying to argue with deniers on being really hot one day and freezing the next.

 

[burglar]

... Caught the bus today and love walking. Trying to reduce my footprints on the planet ...

Catching the bus to reduce your footprints on the planet; whilst denying your love of walking ...

Yeah would be good if I wasn't in my car, following your bus.
And John Wayne wasn't following us on his horse.

God it's hot today.

I am hoping it is hot weather and not climate change.
Change is so unsettling!

 

[banco]

Releasing the direct action plan at 2 pm on the Friday before Christmas really demonstrates the Government's confidence in it withstanding scrutiny.

 

[wayneL]

And wayneL, as a moderator one would expect impartiality at least. But no, you demand answers from others but when answered the new questions raised are ignored by yourself.

And a gentleman you say. I have made blunders in the past but always quick to admit wrong and apologize. It takes a lot to see ones weak side but to reach that point is to move forward in my view.

But on this thread we (1) have a moderator involving himself emotively and (2) giving all the appearance of being biased, oh and (3) after the last statement, openly showing where he is up.

And as a bit of a leftie, does that mean my words have no merit Champ, (the use of the term in Australia of "commo" began with Bob Menzies, and we know about his sales of pig ion to Japan so that they could shoot our own men too) just means that I started out as a hard worker, AWU member and have not forgotten my Grandma,s wisdom born of the great depression. And now love helping the poor. So I feel usefull to my fellow man being left. Caught the bus today and love walking. Trying to reduce my footprints on the planet, worth thinking on.

Now where were we,

ahhh I know, trying to argue with deniers on being really hot one day and freezing the next.

Plod, you seem to have ignored the past discussions on moderating. A mod is just a volunteer, given the site owner a hand, it is not a paid or sworn position.

Being a mod does not mean that one should become disinvolved with the discussion, that would remove the motivation for the person to return to the site. So while in the process of moderation actions, the mod of course should try to remain dispassionate and impartial, but in the course of normal discussion, a mod is also just a normal member, with opinions, questions, and a right to defend against mischaractarizations, misrepresentations and malodourous malevalencies.

So your comments re my mod status are out of order, I am not participating in this thread in a moderating capacity, just a normal member... like you, like basilio.

You are also out of order in your accusation of not providing citations, look just a few posts above where I provided incontestable statistical analysis of the range of scientific opinion on this matter, vis a vis the lack of consensus, utterly destroying the John Cook et al 97% BS. I would provide more cites, but find myself wasting my allotted time defending malicious and mendacious ad hominem from basilio and yourself.

You also seem incapable of discerning tongue in cheek facetiousness regarding my gentleman and scholar comment, your lack of a sense of humour causing you to be hoist by your own petard, remarkably, resulting in you being in precisely the place you accuse me of being.

That said, I am indeed a gentleman and a scholar and just for once, it would be appreciated if you could give me reason to confer such status to you.

Anyway, something to chew on => http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/12/...al-november-2013-temperature-please-stand-up/

 

[wayneL]

As to my questioning of Alarmist scientist integrity Celebrated Physicist Calls IPCC Summary ‘Deeply Unscientific’

 

[explod]

As to my questioning of Alarmist scientist integrity Celebrated Physicist Calls IPCC Summary ‘Deeply Unscientific’

Of course, as I intimated

 

[wayneL]

The warmist's PR disaster of the century:

"Akademik Shokalskiy"

As if the Gore effect isn't enough, this is hilarious.

"Catastrophic Opinion Change" anyone?

 

[Smurf1976]

So far as the debate about moderators commenting on this thread is concerned, I'll say this.

The only time I have ever been informed that a post made by me on a forum was unacceptable was on ASF some years ago. And the post was directly relating to the climate change issue.

In short, it came down to the mod "being totally sick of" (or words to that effect, it was quite a while ago) people questioning the science. After all, "the science is settled" and thus worthy of no further debate.

Whilst I strongly disagreed with the decision, I accepted the reality that this is a privately owned forum and I must abide by the rules. It was very clearly outright censorship however, and I've limited my posts on the subject mostly to statements of provable fact ever since (primarily relating to the energy industry).

My post contained no unacceptable language, personal attacks etc and no objection was raised on such grounds. It was simply to the effect that we've had enough debate about this already so that's it, no more.

Don't remember the exact date or who the mod was but it was a few years ago. But this being so, I can't see a problem with a mod posting and taking a view which has been censored in the past by a different moderator. The term "balance" comes to mind. It's not as though those who disagree are being prevented from having that disagreement.

 

[Mickel]

As to my questioning of Alarmist scientist integrity Celebrated Physicist Calls IPCC Summary ‘Deeply Unscientific’

Thanks for posting this link, Wayne. It is more evidence of the "Cons" that the IPCC have been imposing on the governments and peoples of the world.

I note in Prof Darriulat's full submission to the British Parliamentary Committee that he states -

"I consider that the IPCC scientists should feel morally compelled to produce a scientific summary of their work while refraining from giving the world a message.

They should feel morally compelled to answer the legitimate objections that have been voiced by people such as Professor Curry, in particular in her April 2013 testimony to the US House of Representatives, or Professor Richard Lindzen of MIT , to quote only two of the most emblematic figures."

 

[Mickel]

Just to make my position clear so there is no misrepresentation, I am NOT a denier.
I just doubt the extreme predictions of the IPCC, particularly as their models have not
been borne out in practice over the last 15 + years.

 

[Calliope]

A ship of fools.

Professor Turney's expedition was supposed to repeat scientific investigations made by Douglas Mawson a century ago and to compare then and now. Not unreasonably, it has been pointed out Mawson's ship was never icebound. Sea ice has been steadily increasing, despite the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change's gloomy forecasts. Had the expedition found the slightest evidence to confirm its expectation of melting ice caps and thin ice, a major new scare about the plight of the planet would have followed. As they are transferred to sanctuary aboard the icebreaker Aurora Australis, Professor Turney and his fellow evacuees must accept the embarrassing failure of their mission shows how uncertain the science of climate change really is. They cannot reasonably do otherwise.

(my bolds)

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opi...ip-of-cold-fools/story-e6frg71x-1226793309195


Passengers link arms and stamp out a helicopter landing site.

 

[burglar]

... It's not as though those who disagree are being prevented from having that disagreement.

I agree Smurf!!

 

[noco]

GLOBAL WARMING???????WHAT GOBAL WARMING are we talking about.

What a load of crap.

CLIMARE CHANGE????????Yes the climate changes every year.....what is the big deal.

How embarrassing for those Climate Change scientist it must be after becoming ice bound on that Russian Ice Breaker....Surely they must give up their malicious propaganda......who will believe them from now on?

It is a wonder Tim Flannery was not on board as well.



http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opi...ip-of-cold-fools/story-e6frg71x-1226793309195

 

[IFocus]

2013 was hottest year on record in Australia, Bureau of Meteorology says

Australia has just sweltered through its hottest year on record, according to the Bureau of Meteorology.

Average temperatures were 1.20 degrees Celsius above the long-term average of 21.8C, breaking the previous record set in 2005 by 0.17C, the bureau said in its Annual Climate Statement.

All states and territories recorded above average temperatures in 2013, with Western Australia, Northern Territory and South Australia all breaking annual average temperature records.

And every month of 2013 had national average temperatures at least 0.5C above normal, according to the statement.
Heat maps: Australia's hottest year

See our detailed graphical breakdown of the year's temperature and rainfall data.

The country recorded its hottest day on January 7 - a month which also saw the hottest week and hottest month since records began in 1910

The country has experienced just one cooler-than-average year in the last decade - 2011.
Video: BoM spokesman Neil Plummer says the statistics "speak for themselves". (ABC News)

Australian temperatures have warmed approximately 1C since 1950, consistent with global climate trends.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-01-03/2013-was-the-hottest-year-on-record-for-australia/5183040

 

[wayneL]

 

[Logique]

You'll see this US cold snap reported as 'weather'. Whereas hot temps in Australia is 'climate'.
Just as the people rescued off the ship, at massive expense, in Antarctica were 'tourists'.

What is the credibility of any theory that needs this kind of one-sided media.

School was called off on Monday for the entire state of Minnesota, as well as cities and districts in Wisconsin, Illinois, Indiana, Missouri, Ohio and Iowa, among others.

http://www.smh.com.au/world/polar-vortex-brings-extreme-cold-to-us-midwest-20140107-hv7mg.html
'Polar vortex' brings extreme cold to US Midwest
January 7, 2014

Chicago: A whirlpool of frigid, dense air known as a "polar vortex" descended on Monday into much of the US, pummeling parts of the country with a dangerous cold that could break decades-old records with wind chill warnings stretching from Montana to Alabama.

For a big chunk of the Midwest, the subzero temperatures were moving in behind another winter wallop: more than 30cm of snow and high winds that made travelling treacherous. Officials closed schools in cities including Chicago, St. Louis and Milwaukee and warned residents to stay indoors and avoid the frigid cold altogether.

The forecast is extreme: -35.5 degrees Celcius in Fargo, North Dakota; -29 in Madison, Wisonsin; and -26 in Minneapolis, Indianapolis and Chicago. Wind chills — what it feels like outside when high winds are factored into the temperature — could drop into the minus 45s and 50s.

 

[macca]

You'll see this US cold snap reported as 'weather'. Whereas hot temps in Australia is 'climate'.
Just as the people rescued off the ship, at massive expense, in Antarctica were 'tourists'.

What is the credibility of any theory that needs this kind of one-sided media.

School was called off on Monday for the entire state of Minnesota, as well as cities and districts in Wisconsin, Illinois, Indiana, Missouri, Ohio and Iowa, among others.

Yes, these sort of variations highlight to me just how wrong it is to get "hysterical" over records that are far too short a time frame to be placing too much trust in.

People have been walking around on this planet for a million years yet because the climate does not conform between 2 very strict parameters for a couple of decades supposedly adult people throw tantrums. We have adjusted before and we will need to adjust again in the future, perhaps all the money being wasted duplicating studies in each state and country could be better spent on improving carbonless energy sources.

I continue to be mystified why there is no uproar over the amount of pollution being made by China and others. It is clearly visible to the eye, it is detected thousands of K's away from China yet no one is demonstrating about that. Perhaps if funding was available to study the effects of global pollution and it's spread around the globe then we may hear more about it.

Obviously, there would not be as much money to study that here in OZ so I guess that won't happen here

The media was interviewing some Chinese tourists in Sydney on NYE, they were asked what did they like the best about Sydney, one said the bridge climb, another said the Opera House and the third said "blue sky" In Hong Kong we never have blue sky anymore, the other 2 then agreed.

Think about how bad the pollution must be to make a statement like that

 

[orr]

I continue to be mystified why there is no uproar over the amount of pollution being made by China and others. It is clearly visible to the eye, it is detected thousands of K's away from China yet no one is demonstrating about that. Perhaps if funding was available to study the effects of global pollution and it's spread around the globe then we may hear more about it.

Obviously, there would not be as much money to study that here in OZ so I guess that won't happen here

The media was interviewing some Chinese tourists in Sydney on NYE, they were asked what did they like the best about Sydney, one said the bridge climb, another said the Opera House and the third said "blue sky" In Hong Kong we never have blue sky anymore, the other 2 then agreed.

Think about how bad the pollution must be to make a statement like that

'no one'... Funny that.

Memory's of the cultural revolution, Tiananmen Square, The harvesting of Organs from the Falung Gung, the Largest Standing Army on the planet focused more on internal unrest more than any external threat, 'Ah' what ever the NSA's been up to you can add a big can of malevolence and stir it in and sprinkle it over the Middle Kingdom, Media control, Endemic corruption, no ballot box. There's a few that spring to mind that constrain dissent.

For those interested in not wanting to look silly, a little reading up on the Arctic Vortex Oscillation might be of value... The cold being dumped at lower latitudes now, is the cold that was up until recently more deeply freezing the Arctic ocean. As documented by the 'cloying buffoons' who spend their working life putting up their research to be peer reviewed. So it can be pulled apart for error correction to be added to what we refer to as collected human knowledge .... But as they say in the classics ... "move on, nothing to see here"

Any takers on when we might see the Arctic Ice sheet return anything like it's pre industrial condition?
My bet. Not in my children's lifetime....
That's a bet I'd be happy to lose.

 

[Knobby22]

You'll see this US cold snap reported as 'weather'. Whereas hot temps in Australia is 'climate'.
Just as the people rescued off the ship, at massive expense, in Antarctica were 'tourists'.

What is the credibility of any theory that needs this kind of one-sided media.

School was called off on Monday for the entire state of Minnesota, as well as cities and districts in Wisconsin, Illinois, Indiana, Missouri, Ohio and Iowa, among others.

If you look earlier in this thread, a few months ago from memory, there is a video of a female professor showing why the fronts are now meandering, causing in turn extreme cold (as above) and extreme warmth, as in Russia recently. Basilio do you have it? Too hard to find it.