Resisting Climate Hysteria

[wayneL]

So lets just go back a few steps to the post targeted.

The extremes of wild weather increasing droughts and millions starving is but a mere repeat of the past in your view.

Well it is not mine,.. and all the huff and puff you like is not going to change the fact that, "Houston we have a problem"

Plod, instead of reading propaganda, perhaps you should dig up the actual statistics on frequency of storms etc, correctly interpreted for advancements in reporting and impact due to increasing population.

You will find the reality is at odds with your imaginings.

And steps such as the carbon tax, with its many problems will however usher in not only a change of mindset but new innovative ways of making the world a cleaner and better place for future generations.

Oh it will usher in changes, none of which will be positive for you, or your grandchildren.

 

[sails]

In your OPINION.

CanOz

So true, CanOz...

 

[Julia]

And steps such as the carbon tax, with its many problems will however usher in not only a change of mindset but new innovative ways of making the world a cleaner and better place for future generations.

Oh, right then. How silly of anyone to worry that - in the absence of similar global action - all it will do is render Australia non-competitive as a place to do business, and further stress already stretched households and individuals, many of whom are failing to make ends meet as it is.

Congratulations on your romantic idealism, explod. Would that you would exchange such nonsense for some realistic appreciation of the actual effect of the carbon tax, which was only legislated as a demonstration of Gillard's obedience to the extreme Greens which are keeping her in power. (Well, so far, probably not for much longer).

Your attitude typifies that of the Greens overall, i.e. a total lack of pragmatic understanding of what is realistically sensible for an economy and therefore the lives of the citizens.

You don't give a stuff for the difficulties in business and for individuals as long as your lofty, romantic nonsense is catered for.
All this in a global environment which is looking more threatened by the day.

I'm so utterly sick of it.

 

[wayneL]

Oh it will usher in changes, none of which will be positive for you, or your grandchildren.

viz:

Oh, right then. How silly of anyone to worry that - in the absence of similar global action - all it will do is render Australia non-competitive as a place to do business, and further stress already stretched households and individuals, many of whom are failing to make ends meet as it is.

Congratulations on your romantic idealism, explod. Would that you would exchange such nonsense for some realistic appreciation of the actual effect of the carbon tax, which was only legislated as a demonstration of Gillard's obedience to the extreme Greens which are keeping her in power. (Well, so far, probably not for much longer).

Your attitude typifies that of the Greens overall, i.e. a total lack of pragmatic understanding of what is realistically sensible for an economy and therefore the lives of the citizens.

You don't give a stuff for the difficulties in business and for individuals as long as your lofty, romantic nonsense is catered for.
All this in a global environment which is looking more threatened by the day.

Thanks Julia for stating what I couldn't be bothered to.

Well said.

 

[Ruby]

And steps such as the carbon tax, with its many problems will however usher in not only a change of mindset but new innovative ways of making the world a cleaner and better place for future generations.

Explod, this is what the Carbon tax will NOT do. Furthermore, you seem to have failed to notice that people have been finding new and innovative ways of making the world a cleaner place for decades - without the benefit of a carbon tax.

 

[orr]

Explod, this is what the Carbon tax will NOT do. Furthermore, you seem to have failed to notice that people have been finding new and innovative ways of making the world a cleaner place for decades - without the benefit of a carbon tax.

I'll tell you something that I noticed, I noticed Dr Zhengrong Shi(Suntech)
http://am.suntech-power.com/about/people.html
Developments in solar technology at the university Of NSW being completely neglected by successive governments and industry in this country from the early 1980s, only to ultimately up sticks and take the whole cabooble to China to become one of the wealthiest people on the planet and is now able to sell his product out the factory gate at a price getting toward the holly grail of $1 /watt. Now you do the calculations on what that actually means, if your capable.
So a company structure, that in form could have resembled Apple or Nokia or Ikea, and could be returning to Australia royalties, Jobs, patients, kudos from advancements developed on our shores is lost to us forever.
If you and others can't connect the dots to a carbon price and something like Suntech, there is no helping you.
But we'll be all-right we can sell rocks.

 

[bandicoot76]

I'll tell you something that I noticed, I noticed Dr Zhengrong Shi(Suntech)
http://am.suntech-power.com/about/people.html
Developments in solar technology at the university Of NSW being completely neglected by successive governments and industry in this country from the early 1980s, only to ultimately up sticks and take the whole cabooble to China to become one of the wealthiest people on the planet and is now able to sell his product out the factory gate at a price getting toward the holly grail of $1 /watt. Now you do the calculations on what that actually means, if your capable.
So a company structure, that in form could have resembled Apple or Nokia or Ikea, and could be returning to Australia royalties, Jobs, patients, kudos from advancements developed on our shores is lost to us forever.
If you and others can't connect the dots to a carbon price and something like Suntech, there is no helping you.
But we'll be all-right we can sell rocks.

....and if you cant see that without our cheap energy advantage (yes that nasty but abundant black stuff we have called coal) our industries will not be able to compete and ALL our manufacturing companies will pull up stumps here and do a 'suntech' and head overseas to take advantage of countries that have the advantage of both a lower labour costs AND no carbon tax... well then there is no helping you! kiss goodbye to both our steel & aluminium industries post carbon tax... then ALL we'll have to sell are our rocks!

 

[moXJO]

I'll tell you something that I noticed, I noticed Dr Zhengrong Shi(Suntech)
http://am.suntech-power.com/about/people.html
Developments in solar technology at the university Of NSW being completely neglected by successive governments and industry in this country from the early 1980s, only to ultimately up sticks and take the whole cabooble to China to become one of the wealthiest people on the planet and is now able to sell his product out the factory gate at a price getting toward the holly grail of $1 /watt. Now you do the calculations on what that actually means, if your capable.
So a company structure, that in form could have resembled Apple or Nokia or Ikea, and could be returning to Australia royalties, Jobs, patients, kudos from advancements developed on our shores is lost to us forever.
If you and others can't connect the dots to a carbon price and something like Suntech, there is no helping you.
But we'll be all-right we can sell rocks.

That was more to do with Australia's expensive IR and manufacturing. You think the carbon tax is going to make us more competitive when compared to china then think again.

 

[wayneL]

That was more to do with Australia's expensive IR and manufacturing. You think the carbon tax is going to make us more competitive when compared to china then think again.

So true.

This is where the Greenie's thinking gets as fuzzy as those vegetables sitting in the crisper drawer of your fridge for six months you forgot about.

Doctor whoever blah blah blah, solar panels blah blah, wind, blah blah blah whatever!

Using such examples they shoot themselves in the foot and highlight how very detached from reality they truly are.

 

[wayneL]

About those purported death threats on climate scientists: http://www.quadrant.org.au/blogs/doomed-planet/2012/05/death-threat-fictions

 

[bellenuit]

An interesting perspective (audio):

http://hw.libsyn.com/p/d/3/8/d388e5...36530362&hwt=f347da957d22a314780f27c4c3883c59

 

[Smurf1976]

There was a proposal for a silicon production plant to be built in Tasmania a while ago. The attractions of this location being (1) cheap electricity (2) access to plenty of wood which is also required (3) access to other raw materials. (This proposal was completely separate to the silicon smelter that briefly operated at Electrona during the late 1980's and early 90's).

It never went ahead but I'll let you connect the dots between China's almost total dominance of solar manufacturing, their burning of 50% (and rising) of the world's coal production and why Australia couldn't successfully compete for such an industry even with all the raw materials on the doorstep of the plant. We're just too expensive, and the looming carbon tax and the resultant 60% or so increase in industrial bulk power prices is one of the big reasons why.

 

[bandicoot76]

There was a proposal for a silicon production plant to be built in Tasmania a while ago. The attractions of this location being (1) cheap electricity (2) access to plenty of wood which is also required (3) access to other raw materials. (This proposal was completely separate to the silicon smelter that briefly operated at Electrona during the late 1980's and early 90's).

It never went ahead but I'll let you connect the dots between China's almost total dominance of solar manufacturing, their burning of 50% (and rising) of the world's coal production and why Australia couldn't successfully compete for such an industry even with all the raw materials on the doorstep of the plant. We're just too expensive, and the looming carbon tax and the resultant 60% or so increase in industrial bulk power prices is one of the big reasons why.

a similar scilicon plant was proposed to be built near lithgow in nsw some years ago... but went to asia instead for the same reason, but hey a huge increase in operating costs via the CT on energy production will be GREAT for our economy... just ask the greentards pushing the AGW/CC/CT agenda. MORONS!

 

[Ruby]

Worth a read - for those alarmists with their heads still firmly stuck in the sand....

"100 reasons why climate change is natural"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3-Xviw9PBk&feature=endscreen&NR=1

 

[So_Cynical]

Worth a read - for those alarmists with their heads still firmly stuck in the sand....

"100 reasons why climate change is natural"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3-Xviw9PBk&feature=endscreen&NR=1

You have got to be kidding...i only watched to number 8 before all credibility was lost, why do people persist with this dribble...the earth has experienced periods of warming and freezing before...well no **** sherlock.

 

[basilio]

For a more indepth read on how Climate Science has evolved check out the following reference.

So many different sets of information, research, models and analysis to sharpen up the current understandings.

Parts 1 and 2 are also very interesting reads.

http://www.skepticalscience.com/two-centuries-climate-science-3.html

 

[wayneL]

Hansen slapped down by NOAA’s extreme weather expert, Martin Hoerling

http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2...ather-in-a-warming-climate/?comments#comments

 

[rumpole]

You don't give a stuff for the difficulties in business and for individuals as long as your lofty, romantic nonsense is catered for.
All this in a global environment which is looking more threatened by the day.

Old tech businesses who don't change will die and will be replaced by businesses using new technology and ideas. That has been the way of the world for centuries, and will be even more so as we face fossil fuel rundown. The revenue going into the Clean Energy Fund will finance new tech industries and will create more jobs than it costs.

It's a pity to see so many dinosaurs here who underestimate the capacities of their fellow Australians to adapt to inevitable change by innovation and initiative.

 

[Logique]

We are as little a 25 to 30 years away from nuclear fusion power plants, and much sooner if decent funding was allocated. Fusion power will be i) almost limitless ii) requiriing only miniscule material inputs and iii) clean.

Why don't the AGW/clean technology crowd ever mention this, why are they pushing us down the blind alley of solar and geothermal wishful thinking.

It's a race between laser and plasma induced fusion, with the US and South Korea making big strides. They can already create small scale fusions, now it's just a matter of perfecting repeat cycles.

This is the future, the real future, the real science.

 

[Knobby22]

It's a race between laser and plasma induced fusion, with the US and South Korea making big strides. They can already create small scale fusions, now it's just a matter of perfecting repeat cycles.

This is the future, the real future, the real science.

Yes, the European fusion plant looks like it may be a dead end.
I though the US and South Korean were still in early development.
Good point though.