Kevin Rudd for PM

[drsmith]

I don't think Slipper will be in the chair when Parliament resumes, Labors best option is to put Rudd back just before election to get some sympathy votes but not have him there long enough before the election so that people can remember they didn't like him either.

The Carbon Tax will be a disaster and Gillard will throw money out left and right in a vain effort to buy support but it won't work.

They can't bring back Kev.

Labor has handed the opposition more ammo on him than the all the super-powers nuclear arsenal combined.

It will be someone new, to best salvage what they can from the sinking ship.

 

[MrBurns]

They can't bring back Kev.

Labor has handed the opposition more ammo on him than the all the super-powers nuclear arsenal combined.

It will be someone new, to best salvage what they can from the sinking ship.

Yes you're right I hadn't factored that in.

Then theres no one, Gilard will continue to fail and I can hardly wait for election eve, Kerry O'Brian will be full of red wine and in top form.

 

[Julia]

They can't bring back Kev.

Labor has handed the opposition more ammo on him than the all the super-powers nuclear arsenal combined.

It will be someone new, to best salvage what they can from the sinking ship.

Yes, you're right. Kev belongs in the past.
Hard to know who they will use to replace Gillard if she continues to fall in the polls.

Eager, So Cynical et al: who do you think should lead your chosen party?

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

Yes, you're right. Kev belongs in the past.
Hard to know who they will use to replace Gillard if she continues to fall in the polls.

Eager, So Cynical et al: who do you think should lead your chosen party?

Eager and Sc's opinion will not count, as ALP members do not have much say in what happens.

I would put money on it that KR is sitting up all night tonight taking calls.

gg

 

[noco]

History will be broken.

Three elections in Queensland in one year plus the bi election for Bligh's seat of Sth. Brisbane

State in March 2012
Local Government April 2012
Federal Government ???????2012.

 

[noirua]

Yes, you're right. Kev belongs in the past.
Hard to know who they will use to replace Gillard if she continues to fall in the polls.

Eager, So Cynical et al: who do you think should lead your chosen party?

Kevin Rudd has failed badly and appeared to be just not mentally strong enough. Unfortunately, those who support Labor, may see a party divided against itself if there is a Rudd - Gillard standoff. A party divided against itself cannot stand.

Depending on your thoughts on mining in New South Wales, most mining companies, led by China's Shenhua Energy, are waiting for a change of government after the holdup over their Watermark project (concern about use of a longwall underground system -- Wikileaks is on the case.)

 

[sails]

Eager and Sc's opinion will not count, as ALP members do not have much say in what happens.

I would put money on it that KR is sitting up all night tonight taking calls.

gg

Do ALP members or MPs have ANY say? It seems incredible that, in a democratic system, a party can deny their MPs a say.

How on earth do these members represent their electorates if they are forced to vote for the leader's personal agendas?

I think this has been an overlooked fact by many who have voted for labor, however, I suspect it has been the reason Gillard was so determined to be a labor PM so she could inflict whatever she wanted in to this country.

 

[nulla nulla]

Do ALP members or MPs have ANY say? It seems incredible that, in a democratic system, a party can deny their MPs a say.

How on earth do these members represent their electorates if they are forced to vote for the leader's personal agendas?

I think this has been an overlooked fact by many who have voted for labor, however, I suspect it has been the reason Gillard was so determined to be a labor PM so she could inflict whatever she wanted in to this country.

Is this one tongue in cheek (pun intended).

 

[Julia]

Do ALP members or MPs have ANY say? It seems incredible that, in a democratic system, a party can deny their MPs a say.

How on earth do these members represent their electorates if they are forced to vote for the leader's personal agendas?

I think this has been an overlooked fact by many who have voted for labor, however, I suspect it has been the reason Gillard was so determined to be a labor PM so she could inflict whatever she wanted in to this country.

Doesn't the Coalition largely do likewise? i.e. they have a party line which all members are expected to promote. They may have adjusted their thinking recently but the last I heard was they were not even going to allow a conscience vote on gay marriage.

 

[nulla nulla]

Doesn't the Coalition largely do likewise? i.e. they have a party line which all members are expected to promote. They may have adjusted their thinking recently but the last I heard was they were not even going to allow a conscience vote on gay marriage.

Julia, I would like to thank you for your candor and impartial objectivity.

(Apologies in advance for any spelling errors).

 

[sails]

Is this one tongue in cheek (pun intended).

I wish it were, Nulla! This from Wiki explains this seeming draconian labor policy:

In Australia, one of the major parties (the Australian Labor Party) forbids its members from crossing the floor,[1] while amongst other parties it is rare.

It seems that labor MPs allegience is to their party more than to represent their constituents. Maybe GG can expand a bit more on this policy...

And most parties do expect their members to support party line. However, the libs can cross the floor without threat of expulsion as I understand it. Labor MPs apparently face expulsion.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crossing_the_floor

 

[drsmith]

Doesn't the Coalition largely do likewise? i.e. they have a party line which all members are expected to promote. They may have adjusted their thinking recently but the last I heard was they were not even going to allow a conscience vote on gay marriage.

Both major parties went to the last election opposing gay marriage.

If either (or both) wish to change that policy, ie: make it a conscience vote, they can take that to the electorate at the next election.

That's the right thing to do by the voting public.

 

[sails]

Doesn't the Coalition largely do likewise? i.e. they have a party line which all members are expected to promote. They may have adjusted their thinking recently but the last I heard was they were not even going to allow a conscience vote on gay marriage.

Julia, this also from the same wiki page:

Senator Barnaby Joyce of the National Party of Australia however, crossed the floor 19 times under the Howard coalition government.[2] However, the record for crossing the floor in the Australian Parliament goes to Tasmanian Senator Sir Reg Wright, who voted against his own party (the Liberal Party of Australia) on 150 occasions.

Barnaby Joyce has not been expelled.

 

[Julia]

Julia, this also from the same wiki page:
Barnaby Joyce has not been expelled.

I didn't suggest anyone was going to be expelled.

I simply drew attention to the fact that in most instances Coalition members are expected to vote as a bloc along party lines.

Barnaby Joyce is well known as a maverick and as such imo doesn't really typify the standard Coalition member.

 

[Julia]

J
(Apologies in advance for any spelling errors).

Hope I usually reserve any criticism of spelling etc for the Spelling and Grammar thread. Sorry if I'm pedantic.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

I am reliably informed from the palace of the Brissie King that the quest for leadership of what is left of the Australian Labor Federal Caucus, is, officially again, ON.

gg

 

[MrBurns]

I am reliably informed from the palace of the Brissie King that the quest for leadership of what is left of the Australian Labor Federal Caucus, is, officially again, ON.
gg

Good, I'm no fan of Rudd but anything to see Gillard put in her place.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

Good, I'm no fan of Rudd but anything to see Gillard put in her place.

My contacts in Sussex St. assure me that the odds have SHORTENed on a dream team with the Brissie King.

gg

 

[MrBurns]

My contacts in Sussex St. assure me that the odds have SHORTENed on a dream team with the Brissie King.

gg

My razor sharp senses detect a possible hidden message in that post, I have my decoders working on it right now.

 

[qldfrog]

My contacts in Sussex St. assure me that the odds have SHORTENed on a dream team with the Brissie King.

gg

He will have to make a move dangerous as cunning, I hate what he personifies